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AdrianHealeyy
Profile Joined June 2015
114 Posts
February 12 2024 21:35 GMT
#1801
I am not saying it's unique, no worries.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26523 Posts
February 12 2024 21:42 GMT
#1802
On February 13 2024 06:35 AdrianHealeyy wrote:
I am not saying it's unique, no worries.

Still pretty damn rare though, I guess the maps are just too samey to see a huge amount of genuinely different stuff. Golden Wall was a good map for funky stuff while still lending itself to relatively standard games, but maps like that are pretty thin on the ground.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33586 Posts
February 12 2024 23:30 GMT
#1803
Yet again I am very appreciative that the "Night King" nickname died.

(And it was terrible even before GoT got bad )
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
FFXthebest
Profile Joined February 2024
75 Posts
February 13 2024 00:44 GMT
#1804
On February 13 2024 01:53 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2024 00:10 FFXthebest wrote:
On February 12 2024 21:30 Glorfindelio wrote:
On February 12 2024 17:24 Poopi wrote:
Maru was godlike on Radhused and still could not win it, it's kinda indicative. Overall Clem played well but Maru played even better and it was not enough, despite playing visibly better than Serral on Radhuset. Doesn't really matter since it's Starcraft 2 twilight year(s) anyways though, things ain't gonna change now


Maru played absolutely out of his mind on Radhuset--but this is exactly what I mean. No one else besides Serral would have been able to beat him at that stage of the game. Maru entered into the ghost, liberator stage of the game from a position of strength, and you can see the commentators talking about Serral's dire position as Maru sits comfortably on six bases after his most recent attack fails.

But the moment Maru moves to take the gold, Serral gets the perfect fight to swing momentum for the next 10 minutes, where he basically accrues small victories in every engagement until taking a couple bad ones at the very end. And then he pulls off the perfect tech switch with the last of his resources and Maru doesn't have the money to match it. If Serral doesn't break Maru's attempt to grab the gold the first time, there's no way he wins. Hell, if he even trades slightly worse despite having enormous momentum for the last half of the game, he loses.

People don't understand how tricky it is to engage into entrenched Terran with Lib/Ghost, never mind when it's Maru. How many times have you seen Reynor crash into an entrenched Maru and break? With respect, he struggles to best Spirit in games like that. Dark gets consistently mauled in late game vs Maru and it doesn't look close. Solar is very good at that stage, but loses more often than not. Serral is the only one that wins games like this. No one else touches Maru in late game TvZ (though Clem has gotten quite close), but no one plays like Serral.

All of that being said, many of the games could have gone either way if even one engagement had gone differently, or if Maru had scouted those early attacks a bit sooner. Even that last game, if Maru plugs that mineral line gap so a group of banelings don't merc like 16 SCVs, his early tempo lead likely snowballs into a win, but he let runbys ravage his scvs time and time again.

Serral was simply intractable and glacial in his dominance this tournament, and for me, the sheer skill of it was something to behold. Fight it, run from it, destiny still arrives as they say. And who knows, maybe Maru unleashes a similar run this summer--it's certainly possible.


Well put.
Every other Zerg loses in Serral’s position. And Most terrans would win in Marus position against any other Zergs except Serral

People like to over react and said Maru played godlike lol. He kid got caught with “5-6 game ending funguls” yet terran can still drag the game to almost a draw. Just shows how ridiculous op terran late game is


is not that ez to avoid being fungaled, lets give High Templar invincibility and let see what happens...


The only thing ez is ghost emp. That shit is literally unavoidable

Zerg has to burrow infestor to land a good fungal, Protoss has to hide their HT in prism to land a “decent” storm, where as terran just need literally does not need to do anything special to land their emp.

Let’s be honest, terran spellxasters requires the least amount of skills compare to the other races. Should be nerf the ghost so they can’t auto attack?
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
February 13 2024 03:14 GMT
#1805
Game of the tournament?
Series of the tournament?
hi. big fan.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 13 2024 06:33 GMT
#1806
Game: Maru vs Serral, game 2
Series: Clem vs. Solar imo
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 13 2024 06:53 GMT
#1807
On February 13 2024 08:30 Waxangel wrote:
Yet again I am very appreciative that the "Night King" nickname died.

(And it was terrible even before GoT got bad )

I heard Lowko call him the Finnisher and died a little bit
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Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
223 Posts
February 13 2024 07:54 GMT
#1808
Clem vs Bunny was a pretty incredible series
HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
535 Posts
February 13 2024 07:57 GMT
#1809
Serral vs Dark was a really good and tight series.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
February 13 2024 10:15 GMT
#1810
On February 13 2024 15:53 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2024 08:30 Waxangel wrote:
Yet again I am very appreciative that the "Night King" nickname died.

(And it was terrible even before GoT got bad )

I heard Lowko call him the Finnisher and died a little bit


Why does he even need another nickname besides Serral and Goat?
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
February 13 2024 10:42 GMT
#1811
On February 13 2024 19:15 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2024 15:53 Durnuu wrote:
On February 13 2024 08:30 Waxangel wrote:
Yet again I am very appreciative that the "Night King" nickname died.

(And it was terrible even before GoT got bad )

I heard Lowko call him the Finnisher and died a little bit


Why does he even need another nickname besides Serral and Goat?



Cuz the second one is going to fall off once that the hype from this tourney is over
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Gantz023
Profile Joined June 2023
34 Posts
February 13 2024 11:55 GMT
#1812
I'm waiting for even a small article analyzing the best IEM games and describing the incredible run by serral. with the traditional photo raising the trophy.

I think the biggest tournament of the year deserves it. They do it with smaller tournaments than this one.. IMO...TT
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-13 12:18:48
February 13 2024 12:13 GMT
#1813
On February 12 2024 23:35 AdrianHealeyy wrote:
I don't want to go into debate on racial or mapbalance. There are some good points made in that regard. What I genuinely don't understand, is that people reduce the achievements of Serral to those (maybe even legitimate) balance complaints. I thought there was a consensus that the most recent patch (with, among other things, the big cyclone change) was generally a Zerg-nerf, no? And yet, Serral dominance stays.

If it was _purely_ a race and map thing, then that doesn't explain that Serral not only beats other races, but also other zergs in a equally dominant manner a lot of the times.

[...]


Amazing 10/10 post, thank you for the effort writing this up and in such a responsible manner (indicating parts you weren't sure about, etc.)
It's actually insane how dominant Serral has been. And i remember in 2018-2019 people were wondering if that would be his peak. He had a little lull when he was struggling vs Reynor but after that in 2021 or so he started winning a lot again. Was that his peak? Nope, he's still on the rise. And now in 2024. Is this his peak? It very well might be, how much farther can you go statistically when you're already 4-0'ing and winning 95% of your games like what the fuck?
It's absolutely insane that his only losses are like to the other top 5 players and the last time he lost to a top 20 player was SHIN 1 year ago. That is absolutely insane, not even Flash or any other SC1/SC2 player was ever this dominant. How do you have a 90-95% winrate vs other top pros. That's just insane.


Also thanks for the followup post about the build in Equilibrium vs Dark.

I'm a bit sad, because i was quite tired and getting sleepy, but really wanted to pay attention and enjoy the stream live knowing that it was a hype tournament with lots of top players making it to the top rounds (Serral vs Dark and Maru vs Cure is pretty perfect, though Maru vs Clem would work too, if only there was a 3rd match being herO vs Maxpax somehow lol). But I was just too sleepy and not mentally sharp anymore despite how much I wanted to pay attention... my brain barely was paying attention and I feel pretty sad that i may have missed out on a once in a decade kind of live experience, with Maru vs Serral finally happening in a big finals and at a time when they both are in form and have good cases for GOAT (and also at a time when SC2 is declining and this might be the last chance we get this to be as good as this).

Oh well though I'll go back and watch the VODs and enjoy. I did remember being alert when the casters got impressed at Serral's walloff at his gold, i was like wtf that's so cool lol. And when Maru was doing well and Radhuset got mined out but Serral winning. And the pooperlords and consuming proxy hatches and stuff. Serral is awesome.

Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland963 Posts
February 13 2024 12:19 GMT
#1814
Might be just my opinion, but I think Serral is pretty good.
WriterI shoot events. | http://www.jussi.co/esports
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden845 Posts
February 13 2024 12:23 GMT
#1815
On February 13 2024 20:55 Gantz023 wrote:
I'm waiting for even a small article analyzing the best IEM games and describing the incredible run by serral. with the traditional photo raising the trophy.

I think the biggest tournament of the year deserves it. They do it with smaller tournaments than this one.. IMO...TT


Its only been two days. Atleast give them some time to actually write the article. Not something you whip up in a few hours if its to be a decent one
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
February 13 2024 12:39 GMT
#1816
On February 13 2024 21:23 Kreuger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2024 20:55 Gantz023 wrote:
I'm waiting for even a small article analyzing the best IEM games and describing the incredible run by serral. with the traditional photo raising the trophy.

I think the biggest tournament of the year deserves it. They do it with smaller tournaments than this one.. IMO...TT


Its only been two days. Atleast give them some time to actually write the article. Not something you whip up in a few hours if its to be a decent one


Fair enough.

There have been now about two years to write the article for his 2022 IEM Katowice World Championship victory, but we are still waiting.

Simple fanboyism or parodic Korean elitism doesn't hurt anyone much on a level of commentary, or even narrative, but it really hurt when it is systemic in it's nature. Lack of World Championship article of 2022 on the winner would make sense if there wouldn't be myriads of threads about ESL weeklies, as example. Perceived publicationworthiness seems to depend on WHO is a winner in these parts, and that is what sucks.





Part-time Serralogist
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
February 13 2024 12:40 GMT
#1817
On February 13 2024 21:23 Kreuger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2024 20:55 Gantz023 wrote:
I'm waiting for even a small article analyzing the best IEM games and describing the incredible run by serral. with the traditional photo raising the trophy.

I think the biggest tournament of the year deserves it. They do it with smaller tournaments than this one.. IMO...TT


Its only been two days. Atleast give them some time to actually write the article. Not something you whip up in a few hours if its to be a decent one


As long as it is faster than the last one (still waiting on that years later lol) I'm fine with it :D
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
February 13 2024 12:43 GMT
#1818
On February 13 2024 21:19 hexhaven wrote:
Might be just my opinion, but I think Serral is pretty good.

Idk man, he has yet to win a zotac and go4sc2 cups...
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
February 13 2024 13:23 GMT
#1819
Has Serral even shown if he can win an ESL KR cup, let alone GSL?

Sounds like he's trying to dodge. If he's the best why doesn't he just PROVE himself
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
February 13 2024 13:29 GMT
#1820
On February 13 2024 22:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Has Serral even shown if he can win an ESL KR cup, let alone GSL?

Sounds like he's trying to dodge. If he's the best why doesn't he just PROVE himself


He hasn't even won NASL or IPL. PuMa has won 2 NASL. Clearly PuMa > Serral
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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