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Topin
Peru10102 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33518 Posts
feels like 3-0 now :0 | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:12 Athenau wrote: Odds on a 5 Zerg Ro8 at IEM Patchowice? If Creator defeats Dark I will be genuinely shocked. Especially on the main stage like this I just don't see that happening. So unless Byun can pull a miracle come back here, 5/8 is very likely. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:12 Captain Peabody wrote: man it does feel obnoxious that Serral can throw away like ten roaches in the early game and still be as solid as that hard to imagine protoss or terran getting away with such losses against zerg and in game 1 there were some vipers in the middle of the map I guess bad rally, imagine that happening to colossus or something lol | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
There is no point in putting the counterplay AFTER the viper already abducted your units. That's not counterplay. And sometimes it isn't even worth it to focus them after the abduct because: 1) they already killed your core unit 2) you need to kill their units, the viper already did what it should, you ned to wiin the engagement now or you lose and killing a 0 energy viper is not your priority. The change should have been a different one. | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:14 Die4Ever wrote: hard to imagine protoss or terran getting away with such losses against zerg zerg is OP and the easiest race to play. User was warned for this post | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18193 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote: Yea now Byun has the opposite problem. These Lurkers are just wrecking him because he doesn't have Ghosts ready yet. But in this game, Serral really really needed the lurkers. If Byun had preemptively built ghosts instead of throwing away a bunch of medivacs full of bio that he had to rebuild, he could probably have crushed that last army. The vipers had been out and pestering him for a while already, but he was suuuper late going into ghosts. Not sure why. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9419 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:14 [Phantom] wrote: One thing I hope people notice is how lackuster and insuficient the viper nerf is. There is no point in putting the counterplay AFTER the viper already abducted your units. That's not counterplay. And sometimes it isn't even worth it to focus them after the abduct because: 1) they already killed your core unit 2) you need to kill their units, the viper already did what it should, you ned to wiin the engagement now or you lose and killing a 0 energy viper is not your priority. The change should have been a different one. The change was exactly what they wanted, an inconsequential nerf on an absurd unit that dominates the lategame of all Zerg matchups. And to think Blizzard wanted them as lair tech to replace overseers. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:14 Die4Ever wrote: hard to imagine protoss or terran getting away with such losses against zerg and in game 1 there were some vipers in the middle of the map I guess bad rally, imagine that happening to colossus or something lol I mean, I've seen Maru do it plenty of times. People are always hype for his amazing comebacks. We're only blaming Serral because of the general Zerg performance. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:14 [Phantom] wrote: One thing I hope people notice is how lackuster and insuficient the viper nerf is. There is no point in putting the counterplay AFTER the viper already abducted your units. That's not counterplay. And sometimes it isn't even worth it to focus them after the abduct because: 1) they already killed your core unit 2) you need to kill their units, the viper already did what it should, you ned to wiin the engagement now or you lose and killing a 0 energy viper is not your priority. The change should have been a different one. Honestly I think the viper change has more to do with visual/mecanical jankiness than any gameplay change | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:14 [Phantom] wrote: One thing I hope people notice is how lackuster and insuficient the viper nerf is. There is no point in putting the counterplay AFTER the viper already abducted your units. That's not counterplay. And sometimes it isn't even worth it to focus them after the abduct because: 1) they already killed your core unit 2) you need to kill their units, the viper already did what it should, you ned to wiin the engagement now or you lose and killing a 0 energy viper is not your priority. The change should have been a different one. abduct is a net negative to the game, it just completely nullifies units. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:15 Acrofales wrote: But in this game, Serral really really needed the lurkers. If Byun had preemptively built ghosts instead of throwing away a bunch of medivacs full of bio that he had to rebuild, he could probably have crushed that last army. The vipers had been out and pestering him for a while already, but he was suuuper late going into ghosts. Not sure why. Serral needed the Lurkers because Byun wasn't spending money preemptively preparing for a Ghost transition. It's an easy explanation really. | ||
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youaremysin
119 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18193 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:14 [Phantom] wrote: One thing I hope people notice is how lackuster and insuficient the viper nerf is. There is no point in putting the counterplay AFTER the viper already abducted your units. That's not counterplay. And sometimes it isn't even worth it to focus them after the abduct because: 1) they already killed your core unit 2) you need to kill their units, the viper already did what it should, you ned to wiin the engagement now or you lose and killing a 0 energy viper is not your priority. The change should have been a different one. Yes and no. Against siege tank or colossus abducts: yes. But the abducts vs skytoss definitely got nerfed. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Yes and no. Against siege tank or colossus abducts: yes. But the abducts vs skytoss definitely got nerfed. are we going to see skytoss now that battery overcharge got nerfed and hydras got buffed? and disruptors got nerfed too | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 12 2023 02:19 Die4Ever wrote: are we going to see skytoss now that battery overcharge got nerfed and hydras got buffed? and disruptors got nerfed too I only remember seeing one Skytoss game in this tournament so far. I think it was Astrea vs Reynor if I remember correctly. It was the one game Astrea won. Most of the PvZ games have ended in the mid or midlate game and on the ground. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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