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[Page 23] Balance whining will be aggressively moderated

-Wax
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10081 Posts
February 11 2023 16:25 GMT
#301
Solar is the one who always have sick series vs Maru... this could be dangerous
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
February 11 2023 16:25 GMT
#302
Solar calling out ESL bracket makers
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
February 11 2023 16:25 GMT
#303
On February 12 2023 01:25 Topin wrote:
Solar is the one who always have sick series vs Maru... this could be dangerous

Maybe Maru will nuke Solar again
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18041 Posts
February 11 2023 16:26 GMT
#304
On February 12 2023 01:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 01:20 Luolis wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:17 Luolis wrote:
Gumiho shouldve just played mech. His bio play is so subpar.


He never forces mech every game of a series though; probably knows he's too easily blind countered if eh does

I can understand the thought process behind it, but i have no idea how he ever would win with his bio. At no place it looked like he had any chances.


Nah Wax is right. At this level you need to be able to bring out Bio at least sometimes in a series to keep the Zerg honest. If Zerg knows you're going to go Mech every game it's too easy for them to just blind counter you and then the series is even easier for them.

Yeah, but then you also need to not suck at bio...

That said, Solar's defense in game 1 was excellent. If gumiho's execution had been slightly sharper and he'd have lost fewer units (especially his cloaked banshees). If Gumiho wins that and then game 2 with his cattlebruisers, the situation is VERY different.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 16:27 GMT
#305
On February 12 2023 01:23 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 01:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:20 Luolis wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:17 Luolis wrote:
Gumiho shouldve just played mech. His bio play is so subpar.


He never forces mech every game of a series though; probably knows he's too easily blind countered if eh does

I can understand the thought process behind it, but i have no idea how he ever would win with his bio. At no place it looked like he had any chances.


Nah Wax is right. At this level you need to be able to bring out Bio at least sometimes in a series to keep the Zerg honest. If Zerg knows you're going to go Mech every game it's too easy for them to just blind counter you and then the series is even easier for them.

I mean as i said, i understand the thought process. Problem is that Gumiho's bio play is complete garbo.


He plays Bio just fine vs Protoss. He has the skill to make his Bio play better, but his usual strategy is to beat his opponents by surprising them with build variety. It takes a lot of time and skill to be able to win that way. It's really hard to practice all of your builds like that to perfection and still practice your standard play to compete with someone like Solar who only practices his standard play all day.

I dunno.

Can't really expect Gumiho's Bio play to get much better while still expecting him to stay the same player that has brought him this much success over the years. Solar is just a bad match up for him, especially on these maps. Give him a map pool that plays more to his strengths and creativity and maybe he'll be able to take him down.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7113 Posts
February 11 2023 16:29 GMT
#306
On February 12 2023 01:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 01:23 Luolis wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:20 Luolis wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
On February 12 2023 01:17 Luolis wrote:
Gumiho shouldve just played mech. His bio play is so subpar.


He never forces mech every game of a series though; probably knows he's too easily blind countered if eh does

I can understand the thought process behind it, but i have no idea how he ever would win with his bio. At no place it looked like he had any chances.


Nah Wax is right. At this level you need to be able to bring out Bio at least sometimes in a series to keep the Zerg honest. If Zerg knows you're going to go Mech every game it's too easy for them to just blind counter you and then the series is even easier for them.

I mean as i said, i understand the thought process. Problem is that Gumiho's bio play is complete garbo.


He plays Bio just fine vs Protoss. He has the skill to make his Bio play better, but his usual strategy is to beat his opponents by surprising them with build variety. It takes a lot of time and skill to be able to win that way. It's really hard to practice all of your builds like that to perfection and still practice your standard play to compete with someone like Solar who only practices his standard play all day.

I dunno.

Can't really expect Gumiho's Bio play to get much better while still expecting him to stay the same player that has brought him this much success over the years. Solar is just a bad match up for him, especially on these maps. Give him a map pool that plays more to his strengths and creativity and maybe he'll be able to take him down.

Bio vs Zerg is a whole different beast than bio vs Protoss. You have to be so good mechanically to be able to defeat zergs with bio and Gumi just doesnt have that in him. Vs Protoss you dont have to be as tight and trickier strats work better.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 16:29 GMT
#307
On February 12 2023 01:25 JJH777 wrote:
Solar calling out ESL bracket makers


Ah dang I missed it, what did he say?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 11 2023 16:29 GMT
#308
Man Solar's bracket luck though
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 16:38:50
February 11 2023 16:30 GMT
#309
Lol at Solar saying Maru is the best player in the world and serral at the back of the shot
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33426 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 16:34:20
February 11 2023 16:34 GMT
#310
I wonder if they did the "who's gonna win Katowice?" video segment this time around.

Serral got the plurality in previous years, so I wonder how the responses changed since he's looking the 'weakest' (relatively) he's been since 2017.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18041 Posts
February 11 2023 16:35 GMT
#311
On February 11 2023 23:33 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2023 23:32 Acrofales wrote:
Hey, Byun clinching 3rd place avoids Creator! That was the big plan here!

He wants Serral again obviously.

Well, now we'll see how that works out for him!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 11 2023 16:35 GMT
#312
On February 12 2023 01:30 [Phantom] wrote:
Lol at Solar saying Maru is the ebst player in the world and serral at the back of the shot

Well Solar already beat Serral in this tournament and unlike Maru, Serral didn't advance from his group in first place
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18041 Posts
February 11 2023 16:37 GMT
#313
On February 12 2023 01:30 [Phantom] wrote:
Lol at Solar saying Maru is the ebst player in the world and serral at the back of the shot

From the point of view of another Zerg that may very well be true.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 11 2023 16:39 GMT
#314
On February 12 2023 01:37 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 01:30 [Phantom] wrote:
Lol at Solar saying Maru is the ebst player in the world and serral at the back of the shot

From the point of view of another Zerg that may very well be true.


True, as a member of the Cabal, Solar must undersell all his fellow Zergs. It's all part of the coverup. Open your eyes, Rhynadeople!
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 16:47:28
February 11 2023 16:45 GMT
#315
Looking ahead to some other possible matches. TIME vs HeroMarine is going to be a banger. Both are great TvT players with very different styles. That should be close. Over/Under on Base races in the series: 1.5.

Winner faces Reynor where he should be heavily favored, but neither of them are exactly free wins for Reynor.

Dark vs herO is a potential finals match in the Ro8. It's definitely at least looking at past achievements the most stacked match of the second round. That should be great. I honestly can't call that one either, maybe slight herO favored because Dark didn't look great vs Neeb earlier but maybe he was hiding some things?

Ragnarok vs Serral. This could be an underrated gem of a match. Ragnarok looked GOOOOOD vs Dark in ZvZ in Group A and Serral has looked weak in the match up in this tournament. This could be a really difficult fight for Serral.

Maru vs Solar doesn't need an introduction. These two have met many times. Maru usually wins but Solar ALWAYS plays him tight. With a new patch and a favorable map pool, this might be his best chance to take his revenge on him.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 11 2023 16:48 GMT
#316
That is a lot of Marauders.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
February 11 2023 16:54 GMT
#317
Drilling Claws would be such a good upgrade
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17677 Posts
February 11 2023 16:54 GMT
#318
what were those vipers doing way out there?
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
February 11 2023 16:56 GMT
#319
On February 12 2023 01:29 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 01:25 JJH777 wrote:
Solar calling out ESL bracket makers


Ah dang I missed it, what did he say?


He just pointed out that he gets Maru in every ESL tournament and that ESL must hate him lol
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3111 Posts
February 11 2023 16:56 GMT
#320
man these Terrans just dying to runbys
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