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On February 10 2023 22:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
So they're just not going to talk about the absolutely bullshit timing that Reynor hit in game 1? Seriously? Even if you didn't think it was bullshit like I did, it was INCREDIBLY important that we haven't seen in any pro game in this tournament and they're just not going to mention it in the replay?
smh.
GuMiho’s was pretty uninspiring in this bo3, I am not sure there is much to talk about unless we see a similar situation in an important bo5+ later on in the tournament?
I don’t think the other terrans are like « oh no zerg can do that we are screwed », they are probably more afraid of hydra and zerg lategame. As for protoss players, they have seen all queen walks variations already
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ShoWTimE and Astrea are out; Spirit still has an outside chance if he can close out vs ShoWTimE (Creator's last match is vs Reynor where he'll be a big underdog
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On February 10 2023 22:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2023 22:11 Waxangel wrote:On February 10 2023 22:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
So they're just not going to talk about the absolutely bullshit timing that Reynor hit in game 1? Seriously? Even if you didn't think it was bullshit like I did, it was INCREDIBLY important that we haven't seen in any pro game in this tournament and they're just not going to mention it in the replay?
smh. Calm down man. People have been playing variants of the dropperlord Queen all-in in every match-up since the day they removed their off-creep attack. There's 239089 all-ins you can use to punish greedy mech openers, and this is just another one. Punish and outright kill when Gumiho had made the units that were supposed to be there specifically to defend against counter aggression are two completely different things.
I don't know, Reynor seemed pretty confident he'd killed him as soon as he saw the greed. He didn't wanna explicitly say 'don't try to outgreed the greed master', but that was the spirit. In Italian there's a saying that goes something like 'don't try to steal in the thieves' house'.
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On February 10 2023 22:17 Waxangel wrote:
ShoWTimE and Astrea are out; Spirit still has an outside chance if he can close out vs ShoWTimE (Creator's last match is vs Reynor where he'll be a big underdog
Creator doesn't matter, he would advance instead of gumiho if he wins 2-0 vs him tomorrow.
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On February 10 2023 21:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
That just tilted me. Reynor just broke the meta with that bullshit. It never occured to me that Queens only take up 1/4 of a Drop Overlord, that COMPLETELY changes the timing that you can queen walk, and Overlords can drop creep which eliminates the nerf to transfuse that we had a few patches ago.
He just brought evolved Queen walk back to the meta.
Didn't see the game but not sure what's "meta-breaking" about this. Dark used to do Dropperlord Queen allins all the time
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On February 10 2023 22:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2023 22:17 Waxangel wrote:
ShoWTimE and Astrea are out; Spirit still has an outside chance if he can close out vs ShoWTimE (Creator's last match is vs Reynor where he'll be a big underdog Creator doesn't matter, he would advance instead of gumiho if he wins 2-0 vs him tomorrow.
dammit, foiled by math again
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On February 10 2023 22:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2023 21:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
That just tilted me. Reynor just broke the meta with that bullshit. It never occured to me that Queens only take up 1/4 of a Drop Overlord, that COMPLETELY changes the timing that you can queen walk, and Overlords can drop creep which eliminates the nerf to transfuse that we had a few patches ago.
He just brought evolved Queen walk back to the meta. Didn't see the game but not sure what's "meta-breaking" about this. Dark used to do Dropperlord Queen allins all the time
Was that before, or after Queens got nerfed specifically to prevent stuff like that from happening? Because I have not seen anyone do anything like that since after the Queen was nerfed, and Gumiho clearly wasn't expecting Queens to be a part of that attack either because his Banshees were right on top of the Drop Overlords completely not ready to just be sniped out of the sky by the 6 queens that Reynor brought with him.
And regardless of what Reynor says, without those Queens, Gumiho does not die to that, I doubt he takes significant damage at all.
You guys might not think it was significant, but it is. It's going to be a more important facet later.
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Spirit needs to win 2-0 vs Gumiho to advance in third place instead of Gumiho.
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Honestly I hate this 'behind the scenes' caster desk bit where they're talking about how they secretly liked IEM more than BlizzCon all along.
I know the guys had to do a good job for their client Blizzard at the time, but it does hurt their credibility for me. Now I have to think, you're exaggerating about liking IEM and are gonna criticize it in in X years when you have to hype a newer and bigger event.
Obviously everyone knows casters are always trying to hype the event they're currently working (every game is the best they've ever seen yadayada), but yanking back the curtain like that is too off-putting for me.
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On February 10 2023 22:29 Waxangel wrote:
Honestly I hate this 'behind the scenes' caster desk bit where they're talking about how they secretly liked IEM more than BlizzCon all along.
Obv I know the guys had to do a good job for their client Blizzard at the time, but all it does it for me is hurt their credibility. Now I have to think, you're exaggerating about liking IEM and are gonna criticize it in in X years when you have to hype a newer and bigger event.
It's the same well known rule as never criticizing your former employer in the job market. Not sure why casters didn't get the memo.
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On February 10 2023 22:29 Waxangel wrote:
Honestly I hate this 'behind the scenes' caster desk bit where they're talking about how they secretly liked IEM more than BlizzCon all along.
I know the guys had to do a good job for their client Blizzard at the time, but it does hurt their credibility for me. Now I have to think, you're exaggerating about liking IEM and are gonna criticize it in in X years when you have to hype a newer and bigger event.
Obviously everyone knows casters are always trying to hype the event they're currently working, but yanking back the curtain like that is too off-putting for me.
I dunno, I thought it was pretty common knowledge that everyone thought the old Blizzcon events were massive headaches because of everything else that went with them.
It's been a pretty common opinion for a few years that IEM Katowice was the better event.
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It's still technically possible for Creator to steal 1st place in the group. Unlikely, but it is possible.
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The dream seems over for Clem already.
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Neeb played that very well, Clem was a bit too hasty with the move out too
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On February 10 2023 22:38 Poopi wrote:
The dream seems over for Clem already.
He still has a chance, right?
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On February 10 2023 22:40 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2023 22:38 Poopi wrote:
The dream seems over for Clem already. He still has a chance, right?
His next two opponents are Dark and Cure.
I'm not sure which of them he should be more afraid of but he'd NEED to 2-0 both of them to stay in this if he loses to Neeb. Neeb was supposed to be a gimme for him in this group.
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On February 10 2023 22:26 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2023 22:24 Charoisaur wrote:On February 10 2023 21:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
That just tilted me. Reynor just broke the meta with that bullshit. It never occured to me that Queens only take up 1/4 of a Drop Overlord, that COMPLETELY changes the timing that you can queen walk, and Overlords can drop creep which eliminates the nerf to transfuse that we had a few patches ago.
He just brought evolved Queen walk back to the meta. Didn't see the game but not sure what's "meta-breaking" about this. Dark used to do Dropperlord Queen allins all the time Was that before, or after Queens got nerfed specifically to prevent stuff like that from happening? Because I have not seen anyone do anything like that since after the Queen was nerfed, and Gumiho clearly wasn't expecting Queens to be a part of that attack either because his Banshees were right on top of the Drop Overlords completely not ready to just be sniped out of the sky by the 6 queens that Reynor brought with him. And regardless of what Reynor says, without those Queens, Gumiho does not die to that, I doubt he takes significant damage at all. You guys might not think it was significant, but it is. It's going to be a more important facet later.
This build wasn't really effected by the patch because you have a lair anyway.
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Meanwhile in Dark vs Ragnarok we have a Spine Crawler rush. lol.
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why does Dark like this spine crawler rush so much lol
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Dark with weird spine rush, end up backfiring him.
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