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Husyelt
United States823 Posts
Thank you Artosis and Tasteless for this pillar in my life. I watched the first GSL’s live with the upgraded video quality to the detriment of some of my college classes, but it was worth it. Even if I wasn’t invested in some of the players or seasons the banter has always been top marks. I hope someone saves these broadcasts in case YouTube or affreca pulls them. Congrats to Maru as well, easily the player who has elevated their race the most. good times. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:23 HeroSandro wrote: Koreans are naturally more favored in GSL as it is the format/tournament they play all the time! You can also say that weekenders favour foreigners as they are used to that format. Neither one is objectively better or worse. Rogue excelled the most in both format/tournament despite his first championship came after 2017. Byun, ? (who shouldn't be named), TY and others made at least one title in every format tournament. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
Honestly though it was a terrible finals, the skill discrepancy between these two was obvious and bordered on absurd. Maru never even once looked like he was facing any type of heat, completely in control the entire series. Much love to Artosis, end of an era but all good things must come to an end one day <3 | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:23 HeroSandro wrote: Koreans are naturally more favored in GSL as it is the format/tournament they play all the time! You can also say that weekenders favour foreigners as they are used to that format. Neither one is objectively better or worse. GSL format allows the opportunity for players to be at their peak every match. It doesn't necessarily turn out that way but they at least had the chance to play at their peak. In weekend tournaments no one has the opportunity to play anywhere near their best StarCraft. It's pretty much who can do the best given shitty circumstances. I'm much more interested in peak vs peak than who can play the best with jet lag, sleeping in a terrible hotel bed, being forced to use standard or well known builds due to multiple matches in a day, in a crowded venue wearing multiple layers of noise canceling and a loud audience. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:23 HeroSandro wrote: Koreans are naturally more favored in GSL as it is the format/tournament they play all the time! You can also say that weekenders favour foreigners as they are used to that format. Neither one is objectively better or worse. This argument doesn't help the Serral goat argument at all. If this is the argument then it still goes back to the fact that Maru has won multiple international weekend tournaments while Serral hasn't won any GSL seasons. So Maru has many more of Serral's favored formatted titles than Serral has won of Maru's. Rogue also has won many of them too. But nah, Serral doesn't need to win any of the Korean formatted events to claim GOAT status. Winning in his favored format is enough. | ||
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Glorfindelio
193 Posts
On October 16 2022 01:30 Vindicare605 wrote: This argument doesn't help the Serral goat argument at all. If this is the argument then it still goes back to the fact that Maru has won multiple international weekend tournaments while Serral hasn't won any GSL seasons. So Maru has many more of Serral's favored formatted titles than Serral has won of Maru's. Rogue also has won many of them too. But nah, Serral doesn't need to win any of the Korean formatted events to claim GOAT status. Winning in his favored format is enough. Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 16 2022 03:32 Glorfindelio wrote: Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. Does that matter? Maru has won 5 GSLs and Serral 0, do you think Maru's GSLs should not be counted because Serral hasn't competed in them or what is your line of reasoning here? Why should not even participating in a tournament be rated higher than trying and failing like Maru at World Championships (in which case failing means reaching the ro4 4 times). | ||
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LostUsername100
85 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 16 2022 05:47 LostUsername100 wrote: Top 4 GSL might have lower aligulac rating than top 4 EU at this point lmao and still Reynor lost in the ro20 | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On October 16 2022 03:32 Glorfindelio wrote: Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. ...The point is that he hasn't proven himself in the format/region. It's not that it counts against him, it's that it remains an unknown and he can't be credited with it. And there are other people who have actually competed and done well in both formats. This means that they have concrete results to show that they can do it, which is to their credit. Serral didn't compete and win in the most prestigious and difficult tournament, so it's hard to credit him with it. My opinion is that he probably would've done well, honestly. I doubt he would've won, but he would've been in with a chance for sure. But my opinion is irrelevant, because he didn't actually do it. Do you really find this line of reasoning moronic? Serral is one of the greats, I don't think anyone disagrees at this point. But ranking him against Maru and Rogue is pretty hard. I don't think it's something that can be resolved, it's all a matter of opinion. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 16 2022 03:32 Glorfindelio wrote: Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. You can't be the GOAT of Tennis if you haven't won any Wimbledons, you can't be the GOAT of basketball if you've never played in the NBA. Code S is the most prestigious championship a player can win in Starcraft 2. It's right next to a Katowice or a Blizzcon championship in terms of prestige and difficulty. In fact I will argue it's greater because Katowice and Blizzcon gives advantages to non-Korean players because of regionlocking especially Blizzcons. The fact that Serral is considered the GOAT when he has a 0 on his resume next to Code S titles is the same as giving a Tennis player the title of GOAT when they've never played a professional game on Clay or never played in Wimbledon. It would be absurd to do so in that sport, and it's absurd to do it in Starcraft 2. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
What a shitty ending to an amazing season Rag did not deserve to be in the finals | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2827 Posts
This boy is consistently fed to Maru as a snack throughout his career. Was a truly awful finals but I think Maru would have nun-chucked anyone except for herO, (despite having beaten hero in the semis, if we gave herO another go i think he'd do better). Also seems that Maru plays a lot better vs players he doesn't respect. the recent 1-4 loss to Serral comes to mind. I have a small suspicion this is the last GSL season? Stormgate going to desert the other RTS playing fields next year, I think. We'll see. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3325 Posts
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ETisME
12329 Posts
We love you artosis | ||
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moonsjde
48 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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Lokol18
51 Posts
On October 16 2022 11:32 buzz_bender wrote: One of the things that I'm hoping we can discuss is Maru's walling in this series. In a number of the games, he chose to wall in his natural instead of his main. Any idea why he chose to do that? What's the thinking behind that move? Fast wall against ling all ins maybe? E: also putting your rax in that wall alloes you to lift it and try to kill the ovie on the pillar without wasting too much time | ||
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tlnetuser108
83 Posts
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ExpatRights
53 Posts
On October 16 2022 09:57 moonsjde wrote: very poor finals in terms of dramatic effect, but happy to see artosis go and hoping for more State in the future! +1 | ||
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