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GSL Code S
Global StarCraft II League/2022/Season 3Streams & Casters
Format
- Playoffs:
- Single-elimination bracket.
- Semifinals matches are Bo5.
- Finals are Bo7
Map Pool
Grand Finals
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Results
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[GSL 2022] Code S:Season 3 - Grand Final
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Pandemona
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ShowTheLights
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No matter how strong the G5L curse is, 000000000000000000000% chance he wins | ||
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That song fills me with the deepest sense of nostalgia. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On October 15 2022 17:38 Vindicare605 wrote: If the whole series looks like that, I would not mind. Don't you at least want some good games? :D | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 15 2022 17:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: Don't you at least want some good games? :D Nah, not important. Get this over quick so I can go back to trying to get Darktide to work on my computer. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Swisslink
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On October 15 2022 17:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i'm loving these "Save Artosis" signs. Speaking of these signs: did the plan to remote cast GSL go nowhere? | ||
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Elentos
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On October 15 2022 17:44 Swisslink wrote: Speaking of these signs: did the plan to remote cast GSL go nowhere? We don't know yet. We won't know until GSL is announced to continue. | ||
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LHK
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 15 2022 17:53 sudete wrote: Ragnarok should have won that game It could be, but he was rather indecisive until the Maru's Libs came along with reinforcements. | ||
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Elentos
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
Maybe he will win the 5th game... | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 15 2022 17:55 Elentos wrote: "Show them the 3rd orbital, then all-in them with a 2-base economy" - Sun Tzu Rag should have realized it's fake when he tried to ling runby twice and it was empty both times - but he still tried a sad bane runby shortly after | ||
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Elentos
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On October 15 2022 17:57 Edpayasugo wrote: Have they announced any plans for GSL in 2023 yet please? Is this the final year of blizzard funding? I remember many months ago that ESL was in talks to extend the contract. But no updates since. | ||
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umelbumel
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:04 umelbumel wrote: 10-minute break? Someone wants this to go longer than 2 hours. Korean stream had an untranslated segment with Rag and Maru in bunny ears and they just left the break screen on the English stream during it | ||
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Swisslink
2949 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:00 Charoisaur wrote: Rag should have realized it's fake when he tried to ling runby twice and it was empty both times - but he still tried a sad bane runby shortly after Yeah, I think there he should have realized what's up and prepare accordingly. I'm a bit worried that he lost that game - I doubt there will be many games this series where he will be in a position like that. | ||
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Seacow
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On October 15 2022 18:19 Elentos wrote: Tastosis are having the absolute worst reads on the state of this game Treat them like elders at the dinner table, lovable but talking nonsense throughout the meal | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 15 2022 18:28 Elentos wrote: With every passing moment of this series I wonder more and more how this man ever reached a GSL final Everyone else in GSL is just trash. All the good players retired | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:28 Swisslink wrote: Has any Zerg ever beaten Maru in such a late game scenario? The game vs Serral on this map looked hopeless, but Serral was super ahead the whole time. When Maru started to take his 5th Serral just swarmed him before his defenses were fully ready. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:30 Vindicare605 wrote: The game vs Serral on this map looked hopeless, but Serral was super ahead the whole time. When Maru started to take his 5th Serral just swarmed him before his defenses were fully ready. Yeah Serral and Rogue did well against him by throwing waves and waves of Banes against him. In games where Maru managed to stabilize and split the map I don't think he has ever lost | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:33 neutralrobot wrote: Rag needs to just build roaches. Easy win vs. Maru. I dont think so. Even he chose to prolong with roach/ravagers, Maru already had Tanks, Medivacs and Marines in production, not widow mines. | ||
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absinthfee
Germany718 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:34 Elentos wrote: If Maru wins this next game he ties Nestea for most 4-0 Code S final victories. Nesteas GSL victory against Inca was even more one sided. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:35 swarminfestor wrote: I dont think so. Even he chose to prolong with roach/ravagers, Maru already had Tanks and Marines in production, not widow mines. I'm just still bitter about the finals vs. Rogue and making a dumb joke, don't mind me. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
Just one more win for Maru and the curse can finally fuck off. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:28 Swisslink wrote: Has any Zerg ever beaten Maru in such a late game scenario? Despite Solar's reputation he has repeatedly beaten late game Maru turtling on ghost, thor, siege tanks. The infamous nuke game could have been another example if the nuke didn't hit. Alas, it happened and Solar's reputation of losing vs Maru got more fuel. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:36 neutralrobot wrote: I'm just still bitter about the finals vs. Rogue and making a dumb joke, don't mind me. Also, Rogue was such clutch and decisive player as compared with Ragnarok. He knew how to play around with roach/ravagers until he win the map. It was just big gap of experiences between them. | ||
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Elentos
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:41 Elentos wrote: Only Soulkey has ever come back from down 0-3 in a GSL final, so Ragnarok winning this would also be monumental. But honestly just fucking hand out G5L and call it a day. That was unbelievable | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 15 2022 18:41 Elentos wrote: Only Soulkey has ever come back from down 0-3 in a GSL final, so Ragnarok winning this would also be monumental. But honestly just fucking hand out G5L and call it a day. Time to roach-bane bust 3 times in a row and then make Maru throw 4 medivacs full of units into mutas then | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:41 Elentos wrote: Only Soulkey has ever come back from down 0-3 in a GSL final, so Ragnarok winning this would also be monumental. But honestly just fucking hand out G5L and call it a day. and Classic has done it in the super tournament | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 15 2022 18:44 Charoisaur wrote: and Classic has done it in the super tournament not sOs? | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
LMAO | ||
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Durnuu
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sOs is the one that got reverse swept | ||
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Charoisaur
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no Classic did it vs sOs | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 15 2022 18:49 Morbidius wrote: We deserved Maru vs Rogue for G5L. That should have been how it ended. But Rogue went to the army. :/ What are you gonna do? | ||
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Let's hope there will still be a GSL next year. But who knows at this point. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 15 2022 19:05 SEB2610 wrote: With how well the early game went for maru (getting away with cc first and very successful drone bbq), maru’s game plan has not looked impressive here He definitely was playing overconfident, rallying thors to Ragnarok's bases etc | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 15 2022 19:09 swarminfestor wrote: All I can say, speed banshees were just awesome. Maru stated before that he loved Banshees a lot among all the Sc2 units. Ending the series with Banshees were just cool strategy. He's literally the only pro Terran I've ever seen use them successfully. I've never seen anyone else, MAYBE TY once, ONCE. But Maru's used them successfully as part of his mech play multiple times. | ||
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Poopi
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Vindicare605
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On October 15 2022 19:11 PartingFan wrote: Will there be an announcement for next year? It's one of the reasons I haven't shut the stream off yet. | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 15 2022 19:07 Swisslink wrote: Well, a bit sad we got the G5L once the only other contender has left the scene. We never got the epic Maru vs. Rogue fight G5L unfortunately. But Maru deserves it nontheless. He started off at a young age and finally got it. Let's hope there will still be a GSL next year. But who knows at this point. Not just the only other G5L contender, but pretty much all the other GSL title contenders in general lol | ||
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Charoisaur
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On October 15 2022 19:14 Durnuu wrote: Not just the only other G5L contender, but pretty much all the other GSL title contenders in general lol herO and Dark were still participating and Reynor was in it as well | ||
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swarminfestor
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On October 15 2022 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: He's literally the only pro Terran I've ever seen use them successfully. I've never seen anyone else, MAYBE TY once, ONCE. But Maru's used them successfully as part of his mech play multiple times. Yeah, it has been two or three years since I have seen Maru maneuver Speed Banshees against Zerg player. Maybe he just had more confidences to use that strategy today against player like Ragnarok, that's why it culminated into success. | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 15 2022 19:15 Charoisaur wrote: herO and Dark were still participating and Reynor was in it as well Yeah, so Maru had one tough match and then it was a freebie because everyone is trash. "Pretty much all the other GSL contenders" sounds pretty accurate to me. | ||
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Elentos
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On October 15 2022 19:15 Charoisaur wrote: herO and Dark were still participating and Reynor was in it as well And one of those players even managed to get through the first group stage! | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 15 2022 19:15 Charoisaur wrote: herO and Dark were still participating and Reynor was in it as well Yea and neither Dark nor Reynor made the playoffs. Reynor didn't win a single match. It's a bit disingenous to talk about how much weaker Code S has become when it's still so competitive that results like that still happen. | ||
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Edit: IDK why I thought it started at 5:30am and not 4:30am my time. | ||
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On October 15 2022 19:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Yea and neither Dark nor Reynor made the playoffs. Reynor didn't win a single match. It's a bit disingenous to talk about how much weaker Code S has become when it's still so competitive that results like that still happen. Well, the difference between now and 8 years ago is that 8 years ago, any player from the Ro16 had potential to win the tournament. Now, we barely make it to four with the entire Ro20 (which is closer to the Ro32 than Ro16 back then, but whatever). No one legitimately believed this season would be won by Solar, Cure, Zoun, and most definitely not Prince, Ryung and the likes, or they were delusional. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On October 15 2022 19:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Yea and neither Dark nor Reynor made the playoffs. Reynor didn't win a single match. It's a bit disingenous to talk about how much weaker Code S has become when it's still so competitive that results like that still happen. Exactly, GSL is still pretty competitive even if obviously not as much as it used to be. Maru just makes it look easy | ||
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Durnuu
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And of course, thank Mr Tosis | ||
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neptunusfisk
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On October 15 2022 19:25 Durnuu wrote: Oh and I wanna point out they had to make a new G5L trophy for Maru because he changed teams And of course, thank Mr Tosis You just replace the plaque | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17611 Posts
On October 15 2022 19:26 yoshi245 wrote: Going to miss Artosis doing GSL, it really won't be the same. They still haven't announced anything official in regards to future GSL Code S seasons have they? well here it is | ||
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Swisslink
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On October 15 2022 19:26 yoshi245 wrote: Going to miss Artosis doing GSL, it really won't be the same. They still haven't announced anything official in regards to future GSL Code S seasons have they? Always took that long, so... we'll just have to wait for now. I hope that if there's a future for GSL, they will allow for remote casting. And I hope Artosis will be at more international tournaments now that he left Korea. | ||
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Swisslink
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On October 15 2022 19:27 LHK wrote: Tasteless said it was their last cast in the studio at the desks like that -- Did he mean together with Artosis, or that English GSL is gone now that Arty is done? I expected someone like State to co-cast with Tasteless going forward, but it really sounded like english GSL was done even if GSL keeps going next year Tasteless already announced that he won't keep going with GSL casting if it's without Artosis, afaik. | ||
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Elentos
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On October 15 2022 19:31 Swisslink wrote: Tasteless already announced that he won't keep going with GSL casting if it's without Artosis, afaik. The idea - which he also said right after the part about the desks - is to do remote casts like for ASL. | ||
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Swisslink
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On October 15 2022 19:34 Elentos wrote: The idea - which he also said right after the part about the desks - is to do remote casts like for ASL. Wasn't the plan to do it live, but digitally instead of being at the studio? | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On October 15 2022 19:31 Swisslink wrote: Tasteless already announced that he won't keep going with GSL casting if it's without Artosis, afaik. I do fear the state of SC2 esports justifiably hinges on how much ESL is willing to put into it. With Blizzard seemingly dropping support after this 2022-2023 ESL season ends, it does feel like we may have just witnessed the final GSL Code S. Hope I'm wrong though but that fear is spreading and has been for months now. | ||
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neptunusfisk
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On February 28 2022 23:57 neptunusfisk wrote: just put some terran favoured maps in so maru can G5L, then we can close down sc2 esports and be done with it Okay here we are Congrats Maru, you finished multiplayer | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 15 2022 20:24 Nakajin wrote: Well damn, I missed it, but it dosen't mater, Maru G5L champion!!! Let's hope he can have a 6SL to go withit soon! The only game worth watching is game 4. Only if you're a Terran player. Maru was stuntin' with goofy mech stuff | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Will catch up on the pure dominance later but wow, he has finally done it | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 15 2022 20:49 Garnet wrote: Serral going to Korea might be the only way to save the Korean SC2 scene. What would that do? the main problem GSL has is it isn't that popular among korean folks and I doubt Serral playing in it would change anything there. Foreign sc2 fans already watch GSL anyway | ||
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skarsnik41
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to me the fact that tastosis aera is ending means much more then the g5l.. thanks my man!! | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9013 Posts
On October 15 2022 20:54 Charoisaur wrote: What would that do? the main problem GSL has is it isn't that popular among korean folks and I doubt Serral playing in it would change anything there. Foreign sc2 fans already watch GSL anyway I'm pretty sure Serral is popular among Korean fans too. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
He makes more money cleaning up the easy tournaments in Europe he doesn't have to travel to. | ||
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PanS3rnik
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Artosis leaving TT GG | ||
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parksonsc
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On October 15 2022 22:19 Vindicare605 wrote: Serral's made it pretty clear he has no interest in playing in GSL Code S. And as long as people keep saying that he's the GOAT without even trying why would he bother? No point embarassing himself when people already think he's the best. He makes more money cleaning up the easy tournaments in Europe he doesn't have to travel to. Yeah, getting eliminated in the first round like Reynor did would be embarrassing for the so-called "GOAT" of EU fanboys. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On October 15 2022 23:30 parksonsc wrote: Yeah, getting eliminated in the first round like Reynor did would be embarrassing for the so-called "GOAT" of EU fanboys. Every major player in history has been eliminated in first round of code s at least once. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On October 15 2022 23:39 Cricketer12 wrote: Every major player in history has been eliminated in first round of code s at least once. I think that’s the point, no top EU player has been eliminated from these 8 man groups with the likes of BattleB, ForJumy, etc. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 15 2022 23:45 Poopi wrote: I think that’s the point, no top EU player has been eliminated from these 8 man groups with the likes of BattleB, ForJumy, etc. The reasons why most of top players got knocked easily in first round of GSL is because the way they play is not 'same' as the way Euro players like to play against each other, who prefer to have honorable macro fights in almost every games in the series. The ways of Europe playing statistically will allow the favorites tend to win the series, instead of his opponents making upset victories. For example, it is very rare to have player like Lambo to do proxy hatch to the player like Serral in one game of the series while this may be common in the first round of GSL. | ||
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HeroSandro
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On October 15 2022 23:30 parksonsc wrote: Yeah, getting eliminated in the first round like Reynor did would be embarrassing for the so-called "GOAT" of EU fanboys. Winning GSL would be terrible for all those who constantly hate on Serral. Gongrats to Maru. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:14 HeroSandro wrote: Winning GSL would be terrible for all those who constantly hate on Serral. Gongrats to Maru. Even around 2018, when GSL was more stacked than today, Serral would have been a long shot favorite like the other top players. Nowadays he would be a big favorite like Maru, herO, Reynor, Dark since there are only a few top players left in the scene. However, the other players (Bunny, Cure, GuMiho, RagnaroK, DRG, etc.) are far more dangerous than the non top 4-5 EU players so losing in group stage would not be far fetched either, albeit unlikely for a safe player such as Serral. | ||
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Husyelt
United States823 Posts
Thank you Artosis and Tasteless for this pillar in my life. I watched the first GSL’s live with the upgraded video quality to the detriment of some of my college classes, but it was worth it. Even if I wasn’t invested in some of the players or seasons the banter has always been top marks. I hope someone saves these broadcasts in case YouTube or affreca pulls them. Congrats to Maru as well, easily the player who has elevated their race the most. good times. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:23 HeroSandro wrote: Koreans are naturally more favored in GSL as it is the format/tournament they play all the time! You can also say that weekenders favour foreigners as they are used to that format. Neither one is objectively better or worse. Rogue excelled the most in both format/tournament despite his first championship came after 2017. Byun, ? (who shouldn't be named), TY and others made at least one title in every format tournament. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
Honestly though it was a terrible finals, the skill discrepancy between these two was obvious and bordered on absurd. Maru never even once looked like he was facing any type of heat, completely in control the entire series. Much love to Artosis, end of an era but all good things must come to an end one day <3 | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:23 HeroSandro wrote: Koreans are naturally more favored in GSL as it is the format/tournament they play all the time! You can also say that weekenders favour foreigners as they are used to that format. Neither one is objectively better or worse. GSL format allows the opportunity for players to be at their peak every match. It doesn't necessarily turn out that way but they at least had the chance to play at their peak. In weekend tournaments no one has the opportunity to play anywhere near their best StarCraft. It's pretty much who can do the best given shitty circumstances. I'm much more interested in peak vs peak than who can play the best with jet lag, sleeping in a terrible hotel bed, being forced to use standard or well known builds due to multiple matches in a day, in a crowded venue wearing multiple layers of noise canceling and a loud audience. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 16 2022 00:23 HeroSandro wrote: Koreans are naturally more favored in GSL as it is the format/tournament they play all the time! You can also say that weekenders favour foreigners as they are used to that format. Neither one is objectively better or worse. This argument doesn't help the Serral goat argument at all. If this is the argument then it still goes back to the fact that Maru has won multiple international weekend tournaments while Serral hasn't won any GSL seasons. So Maru has many more of Serral's favored formatted titles than Serral has won of Maru's. Rogue also has won many of them too. But nah, Serral doesn't need to win any of the Korean formatted events to claim GOAT status. Winning in his favored format is enough. | ||
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Glorfindelio
193 Posts
On October 16 2022 01:30 Vindicare605 wrote: This argument doesn't help the Serral goat argument at all. If this is the argument then it still goes back to the fact that Maru has won multiple international weekend tournaments while Serral hasn't won any GSL seasons. So Maru has many more of Serral's favored formatted titles than Serral has won of Maru's. Rogue also has won many of them too. But nah, Serral doesn't need to win any of the Korean formatted events to claim GOAT status. Winning in his favored format is enough. Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 16 2022 03:32 Glorfindelio wrote: Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. Does that matter? Maru has won 5 GSLs and Serral 0, do you think Maru's GSLs should not be counted because Serral hasn't competed in them or what is your line of reasoning here? Why should not even participating in a tournament be rated higher than trying and failing like Maru at World Championships (in which case failing means reaching the ro4 4 times). | ||
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LostUsername100
85 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On October 16 2022 05:47 LostUsername100 wrote: Top 4 GSL might have lower aligulac rating than top 4 EU at this point lmao and still Reynor lost in the ro20 | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On October 16 2022 03:32 Glorfindelio wrote: Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. ...The point is that he hasn't proven himself in the format/region. It's not that it counts against him, it's that it remains an unknown and he can't be credited with it. And there are other people who have actually competed and done well in both formats. This means that they have concrete results to show that they can do it, which is to their credit. Serral didn't compete and win in the most prestigious and difficult tournament, so it's hard to credit him with it. My opinion is that he probably would've done well, honestly. I doubt he would've won, but he would've been in with a chance for sure. But my opinion is irrelevant, because he didn't actually do it. Do you really find this line of reasoning moronic? Serral is one of the greats, I don't think anyone disagrees at this point. But ranking him against Maru and Rogue is pretty hard. I don't think it's something that can be resolved, it's all a matter of opinion. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 16 2022 03:32 Glorfindelio wrote: Ah yes, Serral hasn't won any of the GSLs that he's competed in a grand total of 0 in. I don't really care who people think the GOAT is, Maru/Serral/Rogue all have very legitimate cases, but this line of reasoning is moronic. You can't be the GOAT of Tennis if you haven't won any Wimbledons, you can't be the GOAT of basketball if you've never played in the NBA. Code S is the most prestigious championship a player can win in Starcraft 2. It's right next to a Katowice or a Blizzcon championship in terms of prestige and difficulty. In fact I will argue it's greater because Katowice and Blizzcon gives advantages to non-Korean players because of regionlocking especially Blizzcons. The fact that Serral is considered the GOAT when he has a 0 on his resume next to Code S titles is the same as giving a Tennis player the title of GOAT when they've never played a professional game on Clay or never played in Wimbledon. It would be absurd to do so in that sport, and it's absurd to do it in Starcraft 2. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
What a shitty ending to an amazing season Rag did not deserve to be in the finals | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2827 Posts
This boy is consistently fed to Maru as a snack throughout his career. Was a truly awful finals but I think Maru would have nun-chucked anyone except for herO, (despite having beaten hero in the semis, if we gave herO another go i think he'd do better). Also seems that Maru plays a lot better vs players he doesn't respect. the recent 1-4 loss to Serral comes to mind. I have a small suspicion this is the last GSL season? Stormgate going to desert the other RTS playing fields next year, I think. We'll see. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3325 Posts
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ETisME
12329 Posts
We love you artosis | ||
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moonsjde
48 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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Lokol18
51 Posts
On October 16 2022 11:32 buzz_bender wrote: One of the things that I'm hoping we can discuss is Maru's walling in this series. In a number of the games, he chose to wall in his natural instead of his main. Any idea why he chose to do that? What's the thinking behind that move? Fast wall against ling all ins maybe? E: also putting your rax in that wall alloes you to lift it and try to kill the ovie on the pillar without wasting too much time | ||
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tlnetuser108
83 Posts
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ExpatRights
53 Posts
On October 16 2022 09:57 moonsjde wrote: very poor finals in terms of dramatic effect, but happy to see artosis go and hoping for more State in the future! +1 | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2197 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On October 16 2022 17:03 SharkStarcraft wrote: A thousand thanks to the GOATs of SC2 casting. So glad I got to see Tastosis live in 2019!! All the best for the future, I got emotional too at the end Yeah, this really feels like the end of an era. I'm a bit bummed I never got to go to a live Tastosis GSL. I've been watching GSL since the very beginning. I got in on watching Korean BW I think in 2002? First game I ever watched was BoxeR vs Garimto. It's been a wild ride. | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
Sure, the series could've been more close and entertaining, but it is what it is, still has been a blast. Not sure how competitive SC2 will continue from here going into next year, but tbh I wouldn't hold my breath for Stormgate taking away all the spotlight, it's a completely new IP in a niche genre and has yet to prove itself, so any initial momentum could die off pretty damn quickly, if it doesn't prove to be the spiritual successor it tries to be. | ||
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Slydie
1913 Posts
On October 16 2022 17:03 SharkStarcraft wrote: A thousand thanks to the GOATs of SC2 casting. So glad I got to see Tastosis live in 2019!! All the best for the future, I got emotional too at the end Way back, I remember hearing those 2 for the first time, and thinking "wow, some true professional casters doing e-sports!" Others have improved a lot since WoL, but Tastosis is still holding their ground, providing great entertainment. In terms of jokes and chemistry, those 2 are probably the best casters I know of, including regular sports! | ||
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samAel1
Poland26 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 17 2022 20:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: Congratz to Maru! Maru definitely has some of the best micro in the world, next to Clem. That "next to Clem" is questionable since Clem never beat Maru in TvT consisting a lot of micro aggression in early game. Also, best micro should come along with quick decision. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On October 17 2022 21:04 swarminfestor wrote: That "next to Clem" is questionable since Clem never beat Maru in TvT consisting a lot of micro aggression in early game. Also, best micro should come along with quick decision. that's a troll account. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
It's unfortunate that TL has posters like you. And I just reported your post to the mods. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
Truly the End of Eras. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
this was basically a throwback to the early days of GSL, when all the Code S finals would be one-sided stomps | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
Well, I reported your comment and there was no action by the admins/mods for the last several days. And I also sent a PM to Waxangel asking if calling people a "troll" is considered uncivil and I didn't receive a reply. So it looks like it's okay to call people a "troll" in TL. If this is the case, then Vindicare605, you are a nasty troll. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On October 22 2022 23:45 xelnaga_empire wrote: Well, I reported your comment and there was no action by the admins/mods for the last several days. And I also sent a PM to Waxangel asking if calling people a "troll" is considered uncivil and I didn't receive a reply. So it looks like it's okay to call people a "troll" in TL. If this is the case, then Vindicare605, you are a nasty troll. sticks and stones, my friend. it's going to be okay | ||
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