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tigera6
3410 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:38 darklycid wrote: Maru needs to work on his openers against hero and here vs showtime he lost so hard on the early game alone. Maru keep making the same Widow Mine drop again and again is just sad to watch at time. Those mines drop are like completely predictable and so easy to defend unless the opponent mess up big time. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:39 Vindicare605 wrote: That looked absolutely horrendous. Obvious latency issues here from both players, explains why Protoss was so reliant on Collosus and Maru on tanks. Problem is, Siege Tanks are shit in late game vs Protoss and Disruptors and Collosus are not. I know TL doesn't want to talk about how obvious it was that they are having issues with EU vs KR but it really is obvious. How much latency does Maru have to lose those Medivacs? Five seconds? | ||
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stilt
France2750 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:43 Poopi wrote: Well it's not as bad as the first WoL TSL (the one Thorzain won) in which mvp was playing absolutely horrendous (was it even NA server?) because of ping + not being used to it, losing vs Adelscott of all players. But indeed, looking at this series I would say it was ShoWTimE's server in g1 and g3 and Maru on g2, but either way it's laggy even when it's "your" server since it's probably NA central or NA west Come on, adelscott was playing out of this mind with his mass gateway style, I screamed so much my dog got afraid lol Nestea vs goody was funnier | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:44 tigera6 wrote: Maru keep making the same Widow Mine drop again and again is just sad to watch at time. Those mines drop are like completely predictable and so easy to defend unless the opponent mess up big time. Yeah, he seems kinda lost in TvP at the moment sadly | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:38 darklycid wrote: Maru needs to work on his openers against hero and here vs showtime he lost so hard on the early game alone. It's the hallmark of Dark and Maru though. Get yourself behind with garbage openers then claw your way back into the game. | ||
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tigera6
3410 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:44 Fanatic-Templar wrote: How much latency does Maru have to lose those Medivacs? Five seconds? More like he was falling asleep or something, or a cat jumped on his keyboard. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:44 Fanatic-Templar wrote: How much latency does Maru have to lose those Medivacs? Five seconds? Which ones, do you really want to go back and cherry pick every moment from the game about where lag was maybe a factor and where it wasn't? Because it was all over the place in every fight. The fact the micro was so outrageously sloppy from both of them makes it incredibly obvious there was a lot of lag. The difference though is that in PvT, it's on the Terran to execute the high APM micro in order to have a chance vs Protoss ground armies. And Maru was taking tons of incremental damage in every engagement that offline he probably wouldn't have. Just one more reason Maru shouldn't have been dragging those games out to late game in the first place though. I don't know why he's being so stubborn in thinking that this is the best way to be playing PvT in this meta. I don't know how much evidence he needs to have to see that it isn't. | ||
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angry_maia
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:44 tigera6 wrote: Maru keep making the same Widow Mine drop again and again is just sad to watch at time. Those mines drop are like completely predictable and so easy to defend unless the opponent mess up big time. What’s a better opener? Marine Tank is all I can think of. 3 Rax is easily defendable in these important games. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
5:45:40 on the video. | ||
Poopi
France12894 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:45 stilt wrote: Come on, adelscott was playing out of this mind with his mass gateway style, I screamed so much my dog got afraid lol Nestea vs goody was funnier I don't remember the mid game at all, just mvp losing his reaper to like zealot by not kiting successfully and stuff :o Pretty sure some KR players adapted better to the latency back then though, MC didn't seem to have as much issues for example. Thorzain even got Thors nerf with that tournament iirc? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:57 Poopi wrote: I don't remember the mid game at all, just mvp losing his reaper to like zealot by not kiting successfully and stuff :o Pretty sure some KR players adapted better to the latency back then though, MC didn't seem to have as much issues for example. Thorzain even got Thors nerf with that tournament iirc? Yea he did, because Blizzard didn't realize in their own dumb game design that spell damage pierced Hardened Shields. They had specifically designed the Immortal in WoL to hard counter everything that Terran had from the factory, so to see Thors owning them like that was unacceptable. So it was a bandaid fix to make up for their own stupid game design. The Thor was a mess of a unit (still is) that had gone a complete overhaul from its original design and they hadn't figured out all of the details of it by the time Thorzain stumbled on that interaction. | ||
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tigera6
3410 Posts
On August 06 2022 01:52 geokilla wrote: What’s a better opener? Marine Tank is all I can think of. 3 Rax is easily defendable in these important games. Helion drop/runby, early Single tank push, double cloak banshee might work as well. To be clear, I dont mind the mine drop opening if its being mixed, but Maru has consistently used it forever in TvP so his opponent knew where to set up the Stalker-Oracle before it came over. On August 06 2022 01:53 dysenterymd wrote: Rough bracket for Maru, Ragnarok then probably Solar then Reynor/herO. Wonder if this will be the start of a magical lower bracket run. Two good things from that: he wont be playing cross-server, and he wont be playing as late. I seriously think he was falling asleep at game 3 or something. Edit: 3rd thing is he wont be playing any Protoss soon other than herO (or Reynor offracing) | ||
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Gescom
Canada3447 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 06 2022 02:46 Elentos wrote: So will TIME play top 12 online or be forced to forfeit? Or does TSL cover flight costs that exceed the prize money for 2nd place? Clearly the plan is to DQ him like O'Gaming did. | ||
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SeaGnome
United States32 Posts
On August 06 2022 02:46 Elentos wrote: So will TIME play top 12 online or be forced to forfeit? Or does TSL cover flight costs that exceed the prize money for 2nd place? We're working with TIME and KaiZi Gaming to go through all the proper channels so he can make it to Utrecht, with Team Liquid covering the travel expenses. If it's unfortunately not possible, we will allow TIME to play online. | ||
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tigera6
3410 Posts
On August 06 2022 03:07 SeaGnome wrote: We're working with TIME and KaiZi Gaming to go through all the proper channels so he can make it to Utrecht, with Team Liquid covering the travel expenses. If it's unfortunately not possible, we will allow TIME to play online. Also, how does the schedule of the offline tournament work against GSL schedule? Would GSL stop the week the players traveling for TSL? | ||
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