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On August 06 2022 01:12 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru really hates using Battlecruisers at this point in the game, but it's honestly the best thing he could do right now. Abuse Tempest mobility by just porting directly onto them.
Hard disagree here, BCs trade horribly against Tempests and Protoss can anticipate BC harass movement.
there's a reason Maru doesn't do it
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On August 06 2022 01:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2022 01:12 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru really hates using Battlecruisers at this point in the game, but it's honestly the best thing he could do right now. Abuse Tempest mobility by just porting directly onto them.
Hard disagree here, BCs trade horribly against Tempests and Protoss can anticipate BC harass movement. there's a reason Maru doesn't do it
Hasn't Maru won these kinds of late games all the time (like how hes playing now)? Thought he was pretty much unbreakable pretty late game TvP and this is consequently a very impressive showing from ShowTime. Could be wrong.
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On August 06 2022 01:20 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm not just fucking theorycrafting here, if you want to beat Protoss in those kind of split map situations, then you want Battlecruisers. Protoss doesn't have a good answer for them and they are so insanely cost effective when they can use their Yamato in a hit and run raid.
Spirit destroyed Neeb on Blackburn split map scenario with battlecruiser, so I kinda trust you. But I am not sure Maru had the setup to go for them at this point / space for buildings was lacking on this map.
I doubt he has encountered as good of a defensive protoss as ShoWTimE in KR, so that's why he usually won with this gameplay in split map scenarios
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On August 06 2022 01:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2022 01:12 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru really hates using Battlecruisers at this point in the game, but it's honestly the best thing he could do right now. Abuse Tempest mobility by just porting directly onto them.
Hard disagree here, BCs trade horribly against Tempests and Protoss can anticipate BC harass movement. there's a reason Maru doesn't do it
No they don't. Head to head Battlecruisers wreck Tempests, Tempests can only out trade BCs when they are able to poke at them, when you have BCs on top of Tempests they win.
Anyway the point isn't to fight Tempests with BCs, the point is to use them to hit outlying bases and then force additional anti-air out of the Protoss which your Bio can then kill in a head to head fight. Tempests can't catch BCs that are attacking on their own, and playing around Recall is super easy.
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Well, it looks like Maru might get a do-over. I wonder what adjustments he'll make?
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On August 06 2022 01:30 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2022 01:21 Charoisaur wrote:On August 06 2022 01:12 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru really hates using Battlecruisers at this point in the game, but it's honestly the best thing he could do right now. Abuse Tempest mobility by just porting directly onto them.
Hard disagree here, BCs trade horribly against Tempests and Protoss can anticipate BC harass movement. there's a reason Maru doesn't do it No they don't. Head to head Battlecruisers wreck Tempests, Tempests can only out trade BCs when they are able to poke at them, when you have BCs on top of Tempests they win. Anyway the point isn't to fight Tempests with BCs, the point is to use them to hit outlying bases and then force additional anti-air out of the Protoss which your Bio can then kill in a head to head fight. Tempests can't catch BCs that are attacking on their own, and playing around Recall is super easy.
Yeah but no Protoss lets his Tempests just fight the BCs head on. You can't jump on Tempests if they are supported by Voidray Stalker Battery as Protoss players learned to do.
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Maru just lost THREE full Medivacs.
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the lowkey funniest part of Maru loss would be Solar randomly getting punished with another match against Maru in the lower bracket
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Elentos
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Showtime played so much better this game than before it's almost uncanny.
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Maru needs to work on his openers against hero and here vs showtime he lost so hard on the early game alone.
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Maru play completely blind like shit there, losing Medivac and units everywhere for free.
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That looked absolutely horrendous. Obvious latency issues here from both players, explains why Protoss was so reliant on Collosus and Maru on tanks. Problem is, Siege Tanks are shit in late game vs Protoss and Disruptors and Collosus are not.
I know TL doesn't want to talk about how obvious it was that they are having issues with EU vs KR but it really is obvious.
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Showtime bet #true for TLO's first question and really didn't want to lose that point.
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Maru didn’t know about the gold base at all
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Time/Lambo/Showtime and either Neeb/Kelazhur filling out lower winners bracket - one of them guranteed top 3. Pretty sick tasteless.
WP Showtime
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On August 06 2022 01:38 Elentos wrote:
Showtime played so much better this game than before it's almost uncanny.
He always had ocassionally this game where he suddenly looked like the best macro Protoss in the world
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I kinda expected such a result but this is still sad!
Hopefully Maru comes out ahead in the lower bracket
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On August 06 2022 01:35 Waxangel wrote:
the lowkey funniest part of Maru loss would be Solar randomly getting punished with another match against Maru in the lower bracket
And Ragnarok - the two biggest punching bags for Maru
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On August 06 2022 01:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
That looked absolutely horrendous. Obvious latency issues here from both players, explains why Protoss was so reliant on Collosus and Maru on tanks. Problem is, Siege Tanks are shit in late game vs Protoss and Disruptors and Collosus are not.
I know TL doesn't want to talk about how obvious it was that they are having issues with EU vs KR but it really is obvious.
Well it's not as bad as the first WoL TSL (the one Thorzain won) in which mvp was playing absolutely horrendous (was it even NA server?) because of ping + not being used to it, losing vs Adelscott of all players.
But indeed, looking at this series I would say it was ShoWTimE's server in g1 and g3 and Maru on g2, but either way it's laggy even when it's "your" server since it's probably NA central or NA west
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