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So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps
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On August 21 2022 02:19 Vision_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:17 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair That's the ESL ruleset btw. Yep don't like it there either one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race Third openers stargate inc and what should be done if everyone would try to pick their own matchups (e.g. Reynor wanting to play PvZ and his opponent wanting to switch to terran vs his Toss)? Let it get decided by a coinflip? Doesn't seem like egality It can be easily implemented, but that s new no ? and it s not like if a tons of players are changing race during a match. Don t you remember Balloon ?
Balloon actually had balls and played Random.
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On August 21 2022 02:20 RDO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:17 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair That's the ESL ruleset btw. Yep don't like it there either one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race Third openers stargate inc and what should be done if everyone would try to pick their own matchups (e.g. Reynor wanting to play PvZ and his opponent wanting to switch to terran vs his Toss)? Let it get decided by a coinflip? Doesn't seem like egality AFAIK if both players want to choose between races they'll have to do blindly before the game. I doubt Dark wants to offrace tho.
This answer to that situation will significantly lower the quality of play over time.
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On August 21 2022 02:15 Die4Ever wrote:
Why did Reynor choose Zerg now for this map?
Stargazer and Moondance are great PvZ map because of the in-base expansion and Reynor won both of those maps.
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On August 21 2022 02:20 RDO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:17 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair That's the ESL ruleset btw. Yep don't like it there either one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race Third openers stargate inc and what should be done if everyone would try to pick their own matchups (e.g. Reynor wanting to play PvZ and his opponent wanting to switch to terran vs his Toss)? Let it get decided by a coinflip? Doesn't seem like egality AFAIK if both players want to choose between races they'll have to do blindly before the game. I doubt Dark wants to offrace tho.
Which is basically a coinflip to decide who gets an advantage in the game. Not a very good solution. Also worth noting most players never had an incentive to practice their offraces because race-picking has historically been forbidden
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On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps
In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races.
I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point.
There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more.
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no re never, Zerg rape....
This is just insanely brutal and i m embarassing for PvZ now
Like Byun in TvZ WCS 2016, i think Reynor just show us how PvZ is broken
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On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more.
You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups.
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This is just another proof that nothing can stop a man with a dream and a meme
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On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups.
If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are.
Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it.
This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting.
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On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting.
Well pretty sure other zergs could just train like tvp or pvp to dodge reynors PvZ and if he would do the toss swap more often in premier events im pretty sure they would, which leads to stupid deadlocks.
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On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups.
Yes, I think making players pick their race before vetos is the best solutions (or announce their race in advance for prep tournaments.) Was more just pushing back against some of the reactions.
On another note, defending against committed attacks seems to be a bit of a weakness for Reynor's toss. His standard play is very crisp though.
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On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting.
I can hardly blame people for wanting the competition to be fair. Though even outside of raceswapping, it already isn't as koreans can't play in foreign events but foreigners can play in GSL 
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On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting.
I already explained why more pros aren't doing it. Because it has historically been forbidden and in GSL still is.
Gumiho and TLO played random in the beginning of sc2 and Flash in bw and random has way more disadvantages and less advantages so if race-picking had been allowed from the beginning I could totally see there being a few race-pickers in the scene which would lead to the mentioned problematic scenario. That's why it's a sensible rule to disallow it and I don't feel that great about them allowing it now for Reynor.
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On August 21 2022 03:02 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting. I can hardly blame people for wanting the competition to be fair. Though even outside of raceswapping, it already isn't as koreans can't play in foreign events but foreigners can play in GSL
Ah, they can't? Are you sure?
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On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting.
Why dont you keep the same intensity when it comes to map pool and balance change? Apparently off-racing is a deal-breaker for you to see if the game is interesting or not, but not the other things?
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On August 21 2022 03:10 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 03:02 Durnuu wrote:On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting. I can hardly blame people for wanting the competition to be fair. Though even outside of raceswapping, it already isn't as koreans can't play in foreign events but foreigners can play in GSL Ah, they can't? Are you sure?
I'm fairly certain the region lock from old WCS was kept in the EPT, so while TECHNICALLY koreans can play in EU or NA, the requirements are much stiffer for that than it is for foreigners to play in GSL.
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I can t believe people here are talking about rules while Dark is being rape by ReyToss
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On August 21 2022 03:10 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2022 03:02 Durnuu wrote:On August 21 2022 02:59 Back2Back wrote:On August 21 2022 02:51 Charoisaur wrote:On August 21 2022 02:38 dysenterymd wrote:On August 21 2022 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:
So if you've got a PvZ bo3, and you have 3 maps that have 55%, 45%, and 50% winrates for protoss, it's basically balanced with an average win rate of 50%
But if you decide to change races to instead play the mirror on the weak map, then you've changed the average win rate of the map pool to 51.7% in your favor
it doesn't sound like a huge difference but it's an exploit of the map pool that doesn't need to exist and it can become more amplified with a longer series and some outlier maps In theory, but this assumes that the race switcher is equally skilled with both their races. I think it's valid to ban race switching mid series, but a lot of reactions in this thread (not yours) are hilariously over the top. At this point there's more evidence of race switching hurting Reynor than there is of it helping him (like struggling to qualify for TSL and losing to Elazer in HSC), even if Reynor manages to win this series. Arguably Reynor needs more time practicing with toss to reap the theoretical benefits of race switching, but that's just speculation at this point. There also seems to be no serious movement among non Reynor players towards race switching, so the dark future of race pick rock-paper scissors is also pure catastrophizing. GSL rulesets prohibit it, but if there were some secret reward awaiting you'd expect foreign players to attempt it more. You're of course right that right now it's unlikely we get that scenario but I don't think potentially problematic rules should be maintained just to benefit 1 player. And yes, in theory it's a problematic rule because it's entirely sensible that you can't allow all players to pick their own matchups. If switching races gave that big of an advantage more pro's would be doing it. This sounds like people on the ladder who complain about random players not saying what race they are. Reynor playing a second race at such a high skill level in a match up is awesome. Him being a zerg player for years and suddenly playing protoss is fun. This entire thread has been hi jacked by it. This makes Starcraft more interesting. People complaining sound like a bunch of old curmudgeons who cant stand change, which ironically is what kills interest in Starcraft. Change is good. People playing the game in a different way makes it more interesting. I can hardly blame people for wanting the competition to be fair. Though even outside of raceswapping, it already isn't as koreans can't play in foreign events but foreigners can play in GSL Ah, they can't? Are you sure?
The only tournaments that are region-lock at this point are DH Event other than the Global Final. And I get it that weaker region need to protect its players base, but if EU has been comparable to KR, whats the problem with having KR playing?
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