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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17724 Posts
August 20 2022 16:45 GMT
#61
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 16:45:44
August 20 2022 16:45 GMT
#62
On August 21 2022 01:43 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:40 Vision_ wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:35 Xain0n wrote:
Definitely amusing


Embarassing for Protoss,

Isn t it ?

More like embarassing for Dark. That choice of build was questionable at best, on a map where you can defend 3 bases on a single choke.


What is questionnable is to see Reynor warp more units than a normal protoss pro player, with a high count of drones
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
August 20 2022 16:46 GMT
#63
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 20 2022 16:46 GMT
#64
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's ESL for you. Once again, korean supremacy.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17724 Posts
August 20 2022 16:46 GMT
#65
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.

Yep don't like it there either
"Expert" mods4ever.com
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 16:55:43
August 20 2022 16:55 GMT
#66
ESL is becoming more of a joke at this point, mis-handle several things during their time running the tournaments. Hope that they dont get extended by Blizzard, unless thats the only choice.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 16:58:05
August 20 2022 16:56 GMT
#67
On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.

Yep don't like it there either


one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race

Third openers stargate inc
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17724 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 17:03:58
August 20 2022 17:01 GMT
#68
On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.

Yep don't like it there either


one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race

Third openers stargate inc

Choose your race before the map picks/bans, otherwise you're exploiting the variety of the map pool, otherwise we're gonna end up with a boring map pool with nearly identical maps in order to ensure balance

I'm not saying Reynor IS exploiting this, I'm saying that he COULD, which means the rules have a weakness
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 20 2022 17:06 GMT
#69
On August 21 2022 01:55 tigera6 wrote:
ESL is becoming more of a joke at this point, mis-handle several things during their time running the tournaments. Hope that they dont get extended by Blizzard, unless thats the only choice.

Doubt Blizzard cares even one bit at this point tbh
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17724 Posts
August 20 2022 17:08 GMT
#70
On August 21 2022 02:06 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:55 tigera6 wrote:
ESL is becoming more of a joke at this point, mis-handle several things during their time running the tournaments. Hope that they dont get extended by Blizzard, unless thats the only choice.

Doubt Blizzard cares even one bit at this point tbh

Yeah no way Blizzard cares at all, will be interesting to see if Microsoft changes anything
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
August 20 2022 17:10 GMT
#71
94 drones, let s see if dark will die....
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 17:16:07
August 20 2022 17:11 GMT
#72
gg no re

stargate into > 95 drones into > warping gateway units like a boss + high tier unit into > win

Did you talk of this route since 10 years ?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17724 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 17:16:07
August 20 2022 17:15 GMT
#73
Why did Reynor choose Zerg now for this map?
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 17:17:40
August 20 2022 17:17 GMT
#74
On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.

Yep don't like it there either


one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race

Third openers stargate inc

and what should be done if everyone would try to pick their own matchups (e.g. Reynor wanting to play PvZ and his opponent wanting to switch to terran vs his Toss)? Let it get decided by a coinflip? Doesn't seem like egality
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
August 20 2022 17:17 GMT
#75
On August 21 2022 01:55 tigera6 wrote:
ESL is becoming more of a joke at this point, mis-handle several things during their time running the tournaments. Hope that they dont get extended by Blizzard, unless thats the only choice.

If you wanna keep watching professional SC2 you better hope that deal gets extended. Without that 3 year deal with ESL the scene would already be dead.

Not to mention, there's nobody around who'd do better.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
RDO
Profile Joined July 2014
Italy60 Posts
August 20 2022 17:18 GMT
#76
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.


This tournament isn't run by ESL, they can use their own rules.
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 17:20:05
August 20 2022 17:19 GMT
#77
On August 21 2022 02:06 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:55 tigera6 wrote:
ESL is becoming more of a joke at this point, mis-handle several things during their time running the tournaments. Hope that they dont get extended by Blizzard, unless thats the only choice.

Doubt Blizzard cares even one bit at this point tbh


With Heyoka leaving ESL, I'm not sure there's anyone who care that much their either on the admin side of thing. Obviously I can't exactly blame them for not having in place perfect race-switching map picks rules, but it does seems like they are just churning out their events the same way for a few years without to much reflexing.

Other organisers (TSL, Alpha X, WTL, TakeTV, Afreeca, ect..) are doing great thing though, so that's nice.


Still I much, much, prefer ESL running us on auto-pilot rather than no one at all.
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 17:22:27
August 20 2022 17:19 GMT
#78
On August 21 2022 02:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.

Yep don't like it there either


one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race

Third openers stargate inc

and what should be done if everyone would try to pick their own matchups (e.g. Reynor wanting to play PvZ and his opponent wanting to switch to terran vs his Toss)? Let it get decided by a coinflip? Doesn't seem like egality


It can be easily implemented, but that s new no ? and it s not like if a tons of players are changing race during a match.
Don t you remember Balloon ?
RDO
Profile Joined July 2014
Italy60 Posts
August 20 2022 17:20 GMT
#79
On August 21 2022 02:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2022 01:56 Vision_ wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:46 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:46 Elentos wrote:
On August 21 2022 01:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Wait Reynor gets to choose what race to play for each map, and he can change after that map picks/bans? So he can play all favored maps, that doesn't seem fair

That's the ESL ruleset btw.

Yep don't like it there either


one of the goal of a rule is to promote egality, that s why all opponents are free to chose their race before playing a map. Tournament is here for represent players, not a single race

Third openers stargate inc

and what should be done if everyone would try to pick their own matchups (e.g. Reynor wanting to play PvZ and his opponent wanting to switch to terran vs his Toss)? Let it get decided by a coinflip? Doesn't seem like egality


AFAIK if both players want to choose between races they'll have to do blindly before the game. I doubt Dark wants to offrace tho.
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
August 20 2022 17:21 GMT
#80
If the rules aren't changed then I predict a scenario a year or two from now where players refuse to start games because they don't get the matchup they want. Reynor wants to play PvZ and Dark says we'll then I'll play Terran vs your Protoss which makes Reynor switch back to Zerg. Dark switches back to Zerg and Reynor switches back to Protoss. How do you fairly force the players to choose a race in that scenario with the current rules? ESL rules never have any forethought for worst case scenarios. Reynor should have to play Random if he wants to switch back and forth in single series.
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