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Northern Ireland26510 Posts
It’s easy to make calls with the benefit of full map vision, Creator was in a bloody tough spot.
I’d need to rewatch more closely, I skimmed it there. Creator had a runby dealing havoc across his bases, and Phoenixes being air units, fast and able to bypass terrain, he decided a recall was the best shot.
Bear in mind he had very little on the ground to deal with the runby.
Something Creator didn’t know, as far as I can tell was that Rogue snuck at least one Infestor out. He may have expected it as a sensible response, or something Rogue does in such situations, but as far as I can tell he didn’t actually see it.
Those phoenixes get caught with a fungal and the corruptors dive on them and what little army he had was toast.
If he sticks around with them, he goes from an extremely tough position to a genuinely impossible one, IMO. Unless Rogue isn’t paying attention and he lifts and snipes the Infestor
Rough game. On the face of it his call may seem bad, if it played out differently and he had the core of his existing army wiped by a fungal trying to kill drones people would be saying that was a bad decision too.
IMO anyway
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On May 07 2022 08:12 WombaT wrote:
It’s easy to make calls with the benefit of full map vision, Creator was in a bloody tough spot.
I’d need to rewatch more closely, I skimmed it there. Creator had a runby dealing havoc across his bases, and Phoenixes being air units, fast and able to bypass terrain, he decided a recall was the best shot.
Bear in mind he had very little on the ground to deal with the runby.
Something Creator didn’t know, as far as I can tell was that Rogue snuck at least one Infestor out. He may have expected it as a sensible response, or something Rogue does in such situations, but as far as I can tell he didn’t actually see it.
Those phoenixes get caught with a fungal and the corruptors dive on them and what little army he had was toast.
If he sticks around with them, he goes from an extremely tough position to a genuinely impossible one, IMO. Unless Rogue isn’t paying attention and he lifts and snipes the Infestor
Rough game. On the face of it his call may seem bad, if it played out differently and he had the core of his existing army wiped by a fungal trying to kill drones people would be saying that was a bad decision too.
IMO anyway
Thanks, this is what I was looking for. You're right I was thinking only of Corruptors and forgot Infestors with sudden Fungals is a thing. He did recall pretty fast after heading north and picking off a few drones, so it looked like his plan was to dip ASAP in anticipation of such a thing. It wasn't like he recalled after struggling to pick off drones. He recalled in anticipation since the Phoenix HP was low.
So I guess his plan was instead to try to turtle/protect his economy, but figured he didn't need to lift up the few lings that were left in his main.
Though that confuses me a bit why he flew back to Rogue immediately, but I guess it let the shields regen for another round of harass.
Man it's really too bad if only he didn't lose that 4th, and lost 10 less probes to the mutas diving into his natural... or didn't let those lings runby, etc. If only he had like 60 probes instead of 50... oh well. I just really really wanted to see a g7, you know it would have been super intense, every little move or back and forth would be so dramatic!
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Northern Ireland26510 Posts
On May 07 2022 12:35 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2022 08:12 WombaT wrote:
It’s easy to make calls with the benefit of full map vision, Creator was in a bloody tough spot.
I’d need to rewatch more closely, I skimmed it there. Creator had a runby dealing havoc across his bases, and Phoenixes being air units, fast and able to bypass terrain, he decided a recall was the best shot.
Bear in mind he had very little on the ground to deal with the runby.
Something Creator didn’t know, as far as I can tell was that Rogue snuck at least one Infestor out. He may have expected it as a sensible response, or something Rogue does in such situations, but as far as I can tell he didn’t actually see it.
Those phoenixes get caught with a fungal and the corruptors dive on them and what little army he had was toast.
If he sticks around with them, he goes from an extremely tough position to a genuinely impossible one, IMO. Unless Rogue isn’t paying attention and he lifts and snipes the Infestor
Rough game. On the face of it his call may seem bad, if it played out differently and he had the core of his existing army wiped by a fungal trying to kill drones people would be saying that was a bad decision too.
IMO anyway Thanks, this is what I was looking for. You're right I was thinking only of Corruptors and forgot Infestors with sudden Fungals is a thing. He did recall pretty fast after heading north and picking off a few drones, so it looked like his plan was to dip ASAP in anticipation of such a thing. It wasn't like he recalled after struggling to pick off drones. He recalled in anticipation since the Phoenix HP was low. So I guess his plan was instead to try to turtle/protect his economy, but figured he didn't need to lift up the few lings that were left in his main. Though that confuses me a bit why he flew back to Rogue immediately, but I guess it let the shields regen for another round of harass. Man it's really too bad if only he didn't lose that 4th, and lost 10 less probes to the mutas diving into his natural... or didn't let those lings runby, etc. If only he had like 60 probes instead of 50... oh well. I just really really wanted to see a g7, you know it would have been super intense, every little move or back and forth would be so dramatic!
I mean I think his multitasking just broke under the pressure mostly as well.
I’m sure I’m not alone as a Protoss player to have games where most of my army ends up as phoenixes, I kill a million drones and have no energy and my opponent just goes and kills me as I have about 5 ground units.
Maybe that fear was, briefly something he worried about, hence the recall, only to realise actually no I still have a window and he went back.
But yeah it was a pity, I think he played the series reasonably well, like a 7/10 at worst but you’re gonna have to do better to kill Rogue
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On May 07 2022 12:58 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2022 12:35 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 07 2022 08:12 WombaT wrote:
It’s easy to make calls with the benefit of full map vision, Creator was in a bloody tough spot.
I’d need to rewatch more closely, I skimmed it there. Creator had a runby dealing havoc across his bases, and Phoenixes being air units, fast and able to bypass terrain, he decided a recall was the best shot.
Bear in mind he had very little on the ground to deal with the runby.
Something Creator didn’t know, as far as I can tell was that Rogue snuck at least one Infestor out. He may have expected it as a sensible response, or something Rogue does in such situations, but as far as I can tell he didn’t actually see it.
Those phoenixes get caught with a fungal and the corruptors dive on them and what little army he had was toast.
If he sticks around with them, he goes from an extremely tough position to a genuinely impossible one, IMO. Unless Rogue isn’t paying attention and he lifts and snipes the Infestor
Rough game. On the face of it his call may seem bad, if it played out differently and he had the core of his existing army wiped by a fungal trying to kill drones people would be saying that was a bad decision too.
IMO anyway Thanks, this is what I was looking for. You're right I was thinking only of Corruptors and forgot Infestors with sudden Fungals is a thing. He did recall pretty fast after heading north and picking off a few drones, so it looked like his plan was to dip ASAP in anticipation of such a thing. It wasn't like he recalled after struggling to pick off drones. He recalled in anticipation since the Phoenix HP was low. So I guess his plan was instead to try to turtle/protect his economy, but figured he didn't need to lift up the few lings that were left in his main. Though that confuses me a bit why he flew back to Rogue immediately, but I guess it let the shields regen for another round of harass. Man it's really too bad if only he didn't lose that 4th, and lost 10 less probes to the mutas diving into his natural... or didn't let those lings runby, etc. If only he had like 60 probes instead of 50... oh well. I just really really wanted to see a g7, you know it would have been super intense, every little move or back and forth would be so dramatic! I mean I think his multitasking just broke under the pressure mostly as well. I’m sure I’m not alone as a Protoss player to have games where most of my army ends up as phoenixes, I kill a million drones and have no energy and my opponent just goes and kills me as I have about 5 ground units. Maybe that fear was, briefly something he worried about, hence the recall, only to realise actually no I still have a window and he went back. But yeah it was a pity, I think he played the series reasonably well, like a 7/10 at worst but you’re gonna have to do better to kill Rogue
Yeah that's true, I forget Phoenixes have energy and you need some to defend too haha
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