EPT[IEM] Katowice 2022 - Semi-finals & Grand Finals - Page 20
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Oukka
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darklycid
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SmoKim
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Andi_Goldberger
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On February 27 2022 23:59 Xain0n wrote: PvZ was good for a while in 2018 or at least much better than it was both before and after in LoTV; Serral-Stats at GSL vs the World was amazing, for example. lets not forget the hatchery tech zergling drop meta and the turbo imba nydus meta :D | ||
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Poopi
France12946 Posts
On February 28 2022 00:39 travis wrote: Kinda funny, I don't think the question of GOAT will ever have a clear answer in sc2. It can’t but there can be no such answer for other sports too. The closest thing we got to a consensus is in basketball with Michael Jordan (among popular sports I know of) but even that is not 100% agreed on and the different times make it a hard comparison. Still a fun discussion among fans as long as it stays in good faith / mood | ||
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pandorasheep
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TheLordofAwesome
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TossHeroes
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Undisputed Goat of sc2 along side with rogue I’m just having a nice chuckle at all the fanboys desperately trying g to keep Maru relevant in the discussion when he is a clear distant 4th behind inno | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Serral $1,147,320 Rogue $1,033,981 Maru $1,006,779 So Serral with a comfortable lead now that will probably last until next Katowice | ||
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Husyelt
United States838 Posts
On February 28 2022 00:39 travis wrote: Kinda funny, I don't think the question of GOAT will ever have a clear answer in sc2. It’s Maru/Serral/Rogue, but their accomplishments and skills are all varied enough that it’s hard to compare. Innovation and MVP and Life also are relatively close behind. I don’t mind anyone claiming Rogue the goat or Maru or whoever, they all are a step above the majority of their peers. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4105 Posts
but holy shit Big Gabe. What a baller. What an amazing run. So many fake arguments were proven wrong this weekend. I'm still happy Rogue went far, and I'm actually surprised Serral took that series 3-0. Anyway, offline SC2 is fantastic. I missed the emotions on stage, they were so awesome. | ||
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Xitah
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Poopi
France12946 Posts
On February 28 2022 03:57 Xitah wrote: One thing people forget is that good players push each other forward. That has been the reason Korea has been dominant for so long and also the reason why suddenly EU is doing so much better. Serral is definitely in the talks for the GOAT and soon it won't be just a twitch meme to say EU>KR. Isn't that bound to happen eventually though? EU is the only region that still has some fresh blood, although not that many. Korea on the other hand has virtually zero new blood, the ladder is ghostown there, their "old" guard are retiring one by one because of military service. For now KR is still superior if we take top 16 vs top 16, as shown this iEM with only 3 foreigners making it out of groups, but at the very top everyone is around the same level between EU and KR. But as time goes on there just won't be a korean scene in sc2 :/ | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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HeroSandro
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On February 28 2022 04:00 Poopi wrote: Isn't that bound to happen eventually though? EU is the only region that still has some fresh blood, although not that many. Korea on the other hand has virtually zero new blood, the ladder is ghostown there, their "old" guard are retiring one by one because of military service. For now KR is still superior if we take top 16 vs top 16, as shown this iEM with only 3 foreigners making it out of groups, but at the very top everyone is around the same level between EU and KR. But as time goes on there just won't be a korean scene in sc2 :/ Korean new blood is the veterans voming back from the army | ||
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Topin
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On February 28 2022 04:26 HeroSandro wrote: Korean new blood is the veterans voming back from the army this can't go on forever though, so I think he's right, if we go on like that, KR scene will wither and end up disappearing in the long run ; the game could still go in the EU / NA scene though. | ||
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Poopi
France12946 Posts
On February 28 2022 04:28 [PkF] Wire wrote: this can't go on forever though, so I think he's right, if we go on like that, KR scene will wither and end up disappearing in the long run ; the game could still go in the EU / NA scene though. These segments during breaks with Rogue, Zest and Trap being like "so yeah this is my last (international or just last) tournament" made me so emotional I am glad I was able to see some of these legends irl at least once | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
On February 28 2022 04:28 [PkF] Wire wrote: this can't go on forever though, so I think he's right, if we go on like that, KR scene will wither and end up disappearing in the long run ; the game could still go in the EU / NA scene though. Nobody has quite come back at their absolute peak, for whatever reason. The only player who has/got better is Zoun, and he’s atypical in that he took it early I think it’s Zoun who did that, Dream too. If I’m talking out of my arse let me know. Even in a scenario where every military returnee came back at 100%, Korea would still eventually wither through non-military retirements if some sort of pipeline to sustainability. They had the structure in the eSF/KeSPA eras, such a strong backbone that it was enough to support that scene for years after they weren’t a factor, but it’s pretty clear something else is needed. Conversely, although controversial the current WCS system is, if nothing else a great structure for the European scene and for players to develop. For whatever reason it hasn’t had the same galvanising effect on NA, but I don’t think there’s a one-size-fits-all system that’s going to dovetail neatly with the various regional scenes. | ||
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