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WombaT
Northern Ireland27029 Posts
On February 28 2022 09:54 geokilla wrote: Does anyone have the VODs? I missed half the tournament so I want to watch it from the beginning. Catz’s put his stream VoDs up for what he and Drogo cast ESL have whatever they broadcast up on YouTube now, or at least yesterday they were up to date, not sure if the final day’s action is up yet | ||
Poopi
France12946 Posts
On February 28 2022 08:54 WombaT wrote: It’s ridiculous hyperbole to compare Serral to those guys. Who to be fair were still decent players. Heromarine took Reynor to the wire for a place in the final, Clem didn’t show anywhere near his best form, Maru underwhelmed against Serral. Yeah Zerg are absurdly dominant if we don’t talk Korean premiers, or other international premiers and exclusively use Katowice/Blizzcon as our metric. I think it’s absurd to deny that Zerg at the top end aren’t too at least some degree the strongest race, but it’s aided by having 4 monsters in their ranks. It’s not like Zergs outside the ‘big 4’ have done anything of note for ages, unlike say the BL/Infestor era where Zergs across the board were getting bumps in their results. The fact that HeroMarine two map wins were 2 and 3 base allin is pretty telling. The Bunny strategy on Blackburn was also a neverending allin. Maru was not really underwhelming vs Serral except in his reaction time on Pride but it would not have mattered, and then he played more like the Maru we know in the next maps and it still did not matter. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18326 Posts
On February 28 2022 16:29 Poopi wrote: The fact that HeroMarine two map wins were 2 and 3 base allin is pretty telling. The Bunny strategy on Blackburn was also a neverending allin. Maru was not really underwhelming vs Serral except in his reaction time on Pride but it would not have mattered, and then he played more like the Maru we know in the next maps and it still did not matter. I disagree. HeroMarine winning with timing pushes is kinda business as usual? He's never really been one for super late game. Always building up a good economy and then just go-go-go until either his opponent's defense crumbles or he himself runs out of steam. He doesn't generally do the super cheesy stuff, but also isn't comfortable sitting back and doing it lategame. Him doing these timings isn't the surprising part of this... | ||
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-visnu-
Australia149 Posts
specially Serral. | ||
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maneatingshoe
Canada484 Posts
On February 28 2022 09:54 geokilla wrote: Does anyone have the VODs? I missed half the tournament so I want to watch it from the beginning. I always use SC2 Links to watch replays https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=720 | ||
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
Big congratz to the winner GG WP | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
110 Posts
On February 27 2022 19:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Lurkers have always been my favourite unit since BW but I can certainly see why they're frustrating to play against boy howdy Giving Zerg fast burrowing Lurkers and taking away the seeker missles ruined this game... | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
110 Posts
On February 27 2022 20:26 Poopi wrote: Don’t think it’s patch, these top zergs are just built different Bruh... they make banes and lurkers replaced Broods. They the same ole Zergs... | ||
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Poopi
France12946 Posts
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Starcloud
138 Posts
Anybody knows what has happened to Clem ? Very poor results recently ? | ||
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sim999999
23 Posts
Anybody knows what has happened to Clem ? Very poor results recently ? Stress maybe + he was one map away to go to RO12 in the hardest group by far, first 2 matches were maru and reynor..., there is a good chance that if you swap heromarine and clem you have the same results, that is HM does not make it out of the group and clem beat solar... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27029 Posts
I wouldn’t worry about Clem I think he’ll show some great tournaments again this year | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On March 02 2022 21:07 sim999999 wrote: Stress maybe + he was one map away to go to RO12 in the hardest group by far, first 2 matches were maru and reynor..., there is a good chance that if you swap heromarine and clem you have the same results, that is HM does not make it out of the group and clem beat solar... It was also his first big live tourney since he has become one of the top players during the covid online era. I completely expected him to struggle a little at first, but I am confident he is gonna ease into it eventually. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
How it can be even possible without very high consistency levels - time by time - without the skill, while being 'patch zerg', and generally being the player of no-bull-shit? 17 Premier Victories, 27 Premier Finals. Unprecedented winning ratio vs. Top Koreans as a group. While not maybe THE GOATest GOAT, that all encompassing ang diminishing shittalk needs to cease now. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
He may have underperformed results wise in the tournament overall, but his result in the group stage was somewhat expected given how hard it was. Put him in any other group and he probably makes it out. | ||
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Pentarp
227 Posts
On February 28 2022 18:04 Acrofales wrote: I disagree. HeroMarine winning with timing pushes is kinda business as usual? He's never really been one for super late game. Always building up a good economy and then just go-go-go until either his opponent's defense crumbles or he himself runs out of steam. He doesn't generally do the super cheesy stuff, but also isn't comfortable sitting back and doing it lategame. Him doing these timings isn't the surprising part of this... Poopi's point is that there is tremendous pressure on non-Zergs to stop letting Zergs get into end-game easily. Except, blizz buffed Queens so much that light pushes are easily held off without impacting Zerg economy. Only all-ins can do enough damage; and when held, it means the Zerg has won. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On March 04 2022 08:10 blooblooblahblah wrote: The only real surprising thing about Clem's performance was his map score. He had a tough group, his performance against koreans has always been a lil shaky, and he had to do it in his worst matchup. He still almost made it out but yeah, not winning a single map vs Reynor or Maru was rough (but certainly not out of the realm of possibility no matter how good he is). He may have underperformed results wise in the tournament overall, but his result in the group stage was somewhat expected given how hard it was. Put him in any other group and he probably makes it out. Depends on how you were hoping Clem to perform. If people were really hoping this could be a break-away tournament where he could regularly hang with the big boys, this tournament is pretty disappointing (losses to Reynor, Maru, Byun). If you're just viewing him as a top European terran who can (but not always) hit up, then yeah the results aren't too surprising. | ||
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Poaktree
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