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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2022 23:23 GMT
#1261
On February 27 2022 08:20 Argonauta wrote:
Ok maru lost, we are all sad now. Can we go over and enjoy the ZvZs?


You forgot the last TvZ.

Or was that the joke?
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 26 2022 23:23 GMT
#1262
On February 27 2022 08:22 swarminfestor wrote:
What are probabilities that Rogue is facing Heromarine in the final?

0% Because Bunny will destroy him.
Lokol18
Profile Joined July 2021
51 Posts
February 26 2022 23:23 GMT
#1263
Nice, another global finals another zerg win. Every time this happens I stop watching starcraft for months, and every time I come back thinking that this one time a non zerg will win. I really need to stop being so masochist and move on from this game for good
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18098 Posts
February 26 2022 23:24 GMT
#1264
Rogue is getting Rogued? Lets see how this goes
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 26 2022 23:24 GMT
#1265
On February 27 2022 08:22 swarminfestor wrote:
What are probabilities that Rogue is facing Heromarine in the final?

Heromarine playing out of his mind to beat Reynor only to be dumpstered by Rogue would be hilarious. It's not impossible but Reynor is looking too good even for the largest Gabe possible...
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2654 Posts
February 26 2022 23:25 GMT
#1266
On February 27 2022 08:10 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:
On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:
If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice.


Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait

I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue

Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery.

There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players.

The big 4 of Zerg are absurdly good.

Zerg might be in need of a retuning, better maps, Protoss certainly seem like it.

But it’s a tad overblown, if Zerg was outright broken and those players weren’t incredible, that next tier of Zergs like Solar, DRG, Lambo, Rag, Armani, Elazer etc would be making more hay than they are.

The WoL BL/Infestor era you saw Zergs post results they never marched before or after, it’s not something we’re seeing now



Its been what, 4 years now? We have seen the same patrons and results over and over, of protoss being a dead race and of zerg dominating almost everything. There has to be a point in wich the same results hapening time and again when one goes "Ok, there is something fundamentaly wrong here".
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2022 23:26 GMT
#1267
On February 27 2022 08:09 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 08:06 dysenterymd wrote:
On February 27 2022 08:04 Pandain wrote:
On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:
On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:
If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice.


Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait

I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue

Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery.

There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players.



I think just the remaining top zerg players are better. TY and Innovation retired recently. Classic/stats/hero all retired or came back from the military and we know how that goes. Meanwhile - only top zerg to leave in last four years was soO, and he was inconsistent at best.

And if you removed foreigner land it would be completely even still. It's just that Reynor and Serral are genuinely the best players from Europe and they happened to pick Zerg. And I don't think anyone is debating that they are the best, even ignoring race.

Honestly I think Protoss is just straight up weak, they were struggling to win GSL/world championships even before all their best players retired. Terran I think it is more about the retirements

I kinda agree with Reynor. Just delete protoss. They have by far the largest number of units that are just not fun at all to play against. Disruptors are miserable, DT, Carriers, Tempests, Void Rays. Delete Protoss and the rest of the game is easier to balance too


Seem to have forgotten Roaches, Lurkers, Infestors, Corruptors, Brood Lords, Vipers and Swarm Hosts. Maybe there's another race that can get deleted.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 26 2022 23:26 GMT
#1268
Should've put the rax in rogues natural.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
February 26 2022 23:28 GMT
#1269
Contrary to y'all, there's only one zerg that I really don't enjoy see winning and that's Rogue cos his games are always awful.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-26 23:29:13
February 26 2022 23:28 GMT
#1270
nvm
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-26 23:30:59
February 26 2022 23:30 GMT
#1271
Come on Bunny, let the power of all the animals flow through you!

- The strategical craziness of Catz
- The unstoppable will of Pigbaby
- The majestic Starcraft knowledge of Pengwin
- The all in power of Duckdeok
- The macro of Liquid Bunny

Channel them all!
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33465 Posts
February 26 2022 23:33 GMT
#1272
this is a nice gesture

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
February 26 2022 23:33 GMT
#1273
Nice one Bunny!!
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2022 23:33 GMT
#1274
Baller move from Bunny there.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
mpmaley86
Profile Joined May 2019
115 Posts
February 26 2022 23:34 GMT
#1275
Bunny!!
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 26 2022 23:34 GMT
#1276
Bunny just on another level.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
February 26 2022 23:34 GMT
#1277
the fake medivac drop era is upon us
~~~~~
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-26 23:41:27
February 26 2022 23:35 GMT
#1278
On February 27 2022 08:10 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:
On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:
If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice.


Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait

I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue

Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery.

There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players.

The big 4 of Zerg are absurdly good.

Zerg might be in need of a retuning, better maps, Protoss certainly seem like it.

But it’s a tad overblown, if Zerg was outright broken and those players weren’t incredible, that next tier of Zergs like Solar, DRG, Lambo, Rag, Armani, Elazer etc would be making more hay than they are.

The WoL BL/Infestor era you saw Zergs post results they never marched before or after, it’s not something we’re seeing now

If we only have 5 top players atm is it really that surprising 4 of them are playing the same race?
It's hard to tell whether it's really because Zerg is OP or if it's because 4 out of the 5 best current players coincidentally picked the same race.

Waxangel said some of the same stuff earlier, except he explained it better.

Edit: Just realized I quoted the wrong post. I'm just gonna leave it here anyway.
wat
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
February 26 2022 23:35 GMT
#1279
Who is winning between Rogue and Bunny?
The light is flashing in my hostel (not a proper room bathroom is shared) room, looks like the StarCraft gods are trolling me hardcore
WriterMaru
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2022 23:35 GMT
#1280
On February 27 2022 08:35 Poopi wrote:
Who is winning between Rogue and Bunny?
The light is flashing in my hostel (not a proper room bathroom is shared) room, looks like the StarCraft gods are trolling me hardcore


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I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
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