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On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:Show nested quote +If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice. Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait
I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue
Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery.
There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Anyway, I saw 4 hours of the tournament, I say that's way too much, time to return to checking results.
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I can't believe that match is starting past midnight. What a day of SC2 
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On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice. Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery. There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players.
And as it happens so far all the map pools were zerg favored despite Clem, Maru, Zoun and Trap trying their best xD
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On February 27 2022 08:00 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 07:49 Husyelt wrote:On February 27 2022 07:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I have confidence in Rogue to defend Korean pride Koreans lost every match today. That's bonkers. I really thought Dark and Maru would edge out today. I would have predicted every match wrong so far. That doesn't bode well for Rogue, but my boy can resist any curse
You predicted Trap over Dark?
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On February 27 2022 08:01 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice. Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery. There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players. And as it happens so far all the map pools were zerg favored despite Clem, Maru, Zoun and Trap trying their best xD
This last map pool is ridiculous. I don't think the previous one was that unbalanced.
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This debate is all academic anyway, since we all know Big Gabe is taking home the title this year.
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Northern Ireland25553 Posts
Maru really makes some baffling fucking calls.
I would happily trade all my other vetoes to my opponent it I was a Terran if it meant I could veto Pride of Altaris
Last IEM it was doing a bad build on probably the outright best map for him to play straight-up in his style vs Reynor
Serral though, can’t take away from his performance he’s looked in top notch, scary form. Well deserved
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Canada8989 Posts
1) It's been a great day of Starcraft
2) Bunny better win or I will have lost 7 of my 8 matches 
I don't mind HM or Serral winning to much at least.
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The balance whine and delusion is so strong. It was clear Maru was simply not at his best today. He didn't look top shape in previous series either. When you have two top players going at each other, but only one brings their A game that day, you won't get a close series.
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On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice. Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery. There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players.
I think just the remaining top zerg players are better. TY and Innovation retired recently. Classic/stats/hero all retired or came back from the military and we know how that goes. Meanwhile - only top zerg to leave in last four years was soO, and he was inconsistent at best.
And if you removed foreigner land it would be completely even still in KR. It's just that Reynor and Serral are genuinely the best players from Europe and they happened to pick Zerg, thus tilting the overall S-class player pool to zerg. And I don't think anyone is debating that they are the best from europe, even ignoring race.
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At least all of them are playing at bad times now. It isn't just Korea having to play at 4am.
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On February 27 2022 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 07:30 Fango wrote:On February 27 2022 07:05 deacon.frost wrote:On February 27 2022 07:04 dysenterymd wrote:
It's funny how some of the online series between Maru and Serral were actually pretty good but this one is a shitshow. Maru abroad is simply bad. Especially if he changes continents. There was a reason why he didn't travel abroad that much when he could. Maru's made the ro4 at Katowice 3/4 last years. All those three times had him on match point to make the final. He's not bar aboard he just always falls short when he should straight up win the events When he was on fire in 20...huh, 13? What did he win abroad? Nothing. But he made Innovation look bad in one of the shortest BO7 ever played. When he was on fire during 2018 what did he win abroad? WESG(which is not that much abroad) and 0 IEM or Blizzcon.
He played like three tournaments abroad in 2013, made the ro4 of 2 while looking like the best player in one of them
In 2018 he played 3 tournaments abroad and won 1, made ro4 in another.
Making ro4 in most events isn't "simply bad" it's just worse than you expect for someone playing the best terran we've ever seen.
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On February 27 2022 08:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 08:00 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 27 2022 07:49 Husyelt wrote:On February 27 2022 07:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I have confidence in Rogue to defend Korean pride Koreans lost every match today. That's bonkers. I really thought Dark and Maru would edge out today. I would have predicted every match wrong so far. That doesn't bode well for Rogue, but my boy can resist any curse You predicted Trap over Dark?
I meant ro8
(I had ro12 75% right, I resisted predicting HM over Zoun but I should have gone for it)
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On February 27 2022 08:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 08:00 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2022 07:55 NotSoHappy wrote:If the Zerg player has near-perfect mechanics and game sense, he will almost always win.
Serral recognized this earlier than any other Zerg and put it into practice. Perfect mechanics, scouting and response. Also knowledge when to drone and when to build army. OH wait I don't think the whole premise is fair. If it was about being perfect, we wouldn't have 3 Zerg be *this* dominant, with entirely different playstyles. Reynor is nothing like Serral is nothing like Rogue Serral plays a very scouting + response focused game, whereas Reynor relies almost entirely on his ridiculous mechanics. Rogue does far more mindgaming and general build order trickery. There's obviously something about the last patch that put Zerg slightly over the top, combined with a rather uniquely good crop of zerg players. I think just the remaining top zerg players are better. TY and Innovation retired recently. Classic/stats/hero all retired or came back from the military and we know how that goes. Meanwhile - only top zerg to leave in last four years was soO, and he was inconsistent at best. And if you removed foreigner land it would be completely even still. It's just that Reynor and Serral are genuinely the best players from Europe and they happened to pick Zerg. And I don't think anyone is debating that they are the best, even ignoring race.
Honestly I think Protoss is just straight up weak, they were struggling to win GSL/world championships even before all their best players retired. Terran I think it is more about the retirements
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Pretty much every progamer thinks Maru and/or Rogue is the best SC2 player. That's saying something. They definitely have much more weight when it comes to saying whos the best versus TL, Reddit, casters, and the like
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On February 27 2022 07:56 KrystalJung wrote:
The only question before this tournament was whether it would be Dark, Rogue, Serral or Reynor to top the podium. Looking absolutely pointless to play professional SC2 and not be zerg at this point.
they still haven't lost a series to a non zerg yet
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On February 27 2022 08:04 Pandain wrote:
I think just the remaining top zerg players are better. TY and Innovation retired recently. Classic/stats/hero all retired or came back from the military and we know how that goes. Meanwhile - only top zerg to leave in last four years was soO, and he was inconsistent at best.
I brought this up in another thread, but blaming Protoss' poor performance on Classic/Stats/hero going to the military is somewhat disingenuous, because they were also not performing great before going to the military.
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On February 27 2022 08:05 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2022 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:On February 27 2022 07:30 Fango wrote:On February 27 2022 07:05 deacon.frost wrote:On February 27 2022 07:04 dysenterymd wrote:
It's funny how some of the online series between Maru and Serral were actually pretty good but this one is a shitshow. Maru abroad is simply bad. Especially if he changes continents. There was a reason why he didn't travel abroad that much when he could. Maru's made the ro4 at Katowice 3/4 last years. All those three times had him on match point to make the final. He's not bar aboard he just always falls short when he should straight up win the events When he was on fire in 20...huh, 13? What did he win abroad? Nothing. But he made Innovation look bad in one of the shortest BO7 ever played. When he was on fire during 2018 what did he win abroad? WESG(which is not that much abroad) and 0 IEM or Blizzcon. He played like three tournaments abroad in 2013, made the ro4 of 2 while looking like the best player in one of them In 2018 he played 3 tournaments abroad and won 1, made ro4 in another. Making ro4 in most events isn't "simply bad" it's just worse than you expect for someone playing the best terran we've ever seen.
OK, let me rephrase that, Maru abroad doesn't win tournaments, is that better for you?
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