EPTPractice paid off, time to perform at Katowice
[GSL] Super Tournament 1 - Finals Day - Page 8
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
Practice paid off, time to perform at Katowice | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:09 Spinoza wrote: Elegant tailored build to kill Dark on the 7th map. Gorgeous. Yeah, beating Dark or Zerg player in that map feels so good. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18022 Posts
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Gilgamesh_
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:13 Poopi wrote: Congratulations Zest, Goat protoss at work once again! Practice paid off, time to perform at Katowice Zest is highly favorite to win Katowice besides Rogue, Maru, Serral, and Dark. Clem or Cure follows the rest. Trap and Reynor, depend if they can work hard to improve their poor recent performances. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:15 swarminfestor wrote: Zest is highly favorite to win Katowice besides Rogue, Maru, Serral, Dark and Clem or Cure. Trap and Reynor, depend if they can work hard to improve their poor recent performances. Clem being a favorite for Kato? Why? I see him being a favorite for everything he enters despite never winning anything big. (edit> internationally speaking, he can win WCS Europe but cannot beat the same players outside of the WCS) | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:17 deacon.frost wrote: Clem being a favorite for Kato? Why? I see him being a favorite for everything he enters despite never winning anything big. I just edited my comment. I put Cure and Clem in the same league. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:17 deacon.frost wrote: Clem being a favorite for Kato? Why? I see him being a favorite for everything he enters despite never winning anything big. Same can be said for Maru going offline abroad really, but Clem is playing well maybe he can make something happen. I wouldn't have him as a favorite either, his tvz and tvt are looking too shaky | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
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tigera6
3398 Posts
As for IEM, pretty much Maru is the lead Terran favorite, and Zest is the lead Protoss favorite, with the 2nd best of each race is lagging behind quite far. Then we have FOUR Zerg Champion looking to repeat. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
Trap was on top of the world for how long and in that time how many tournaments did he win? Like 2? And one of them was relatively minor? Zest hasn't been relevant in at least a year and he just comes out of nowhere and bullshits his way to a tournament win, stepping over both Maru and Dark in some of their most dominant forms in the process. The guy knows how to be a champion, he just knows how to get it done. Yea I know he's been dominating the weeklies but this is different. Like seriously, who before this tournament started called it that Zest was gonna do what he did? He has actual champion pedigree. One of few current Protoss players that does. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:18 swarminfestor wrote: I just edited my comment. I put Cure and Clem in the same league. Ah, OK, makes sense On January 27 2022 21:19 Nakajin wrote: Same can be said for Maru going offline abroad really, but Clem is playing well maybe he can make something happen. I wouldn't have him as a favorite either, his tvz and tvt are looking too shaky And if you follow my posts you'll see that I doubt all the claims that Maru will win it For Maru at least online works, but Clem is having his issues even online.It will be interesting, but I don't see neither of them to be favorites | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:29 Vindicare605 wrote: You know it feels kind of bad to beat up on Trap when he didn't do well in this tournament, but this is what I mean about the championship pedegree that Zest has that Trap doesn't. Trap was on top of the world for how long and in that time how many tournaments did he win? Like 2? And one of them was relatively minor? Zest hasn't been relevant in at least a year and he just comes out of nowhere and bullshits his way to a tournament win, stepping over both Maru and Dark in some of their most dominant forms in the process. The guy knows how to be a champion, he just knows how to get it done. Yea I know he's been dominating the weeklies but this is different. Like seriously, who before this tournament started called it that Zest was gonna do what he did? He has actual champion pedegree. One of few current Protoss players that does. He won 7 premiers, the most of 2021 IIRC. Too lazy to check Just sayin. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:31 deacon.frost wrote: He won 7 premiers, the most of 2021 IIRC. Too lazy to check Just sayin.Even 7 (if that's the number) seems small compared to the amount of time Trap was unanimously considered the best Protoss in the world. I'd be VERY surprised if Trap manages to keep coming back years later the way someone like Zest or even sOs can. He had one solid run and that's gonna be all she wrote about him. Calling it now. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:35 Vindicare605 wrote: Even 7 (if that's the number) seems small compared to the amount of time Trap was unanimously considered the best Protoss in the world. I'd be VERY surprised if Trap manages to keep coming back years later the way someone like Zest or even sOs can. He had one solid run and that's gonna be all she wrote about him. Calling it now. I'm not disproving the championship stuff though. He never delivered in the big tournaments EveRyBoDY wAnTS!!! (Code S, WC) | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:37 deacon.frost wrote: I'm not disproving the championship stuff though. He never delivered in the big tournaments EveRyBoDY wAnTS!!! (Code S, WC) Which obviously brings up the old and tired argument of what TL considers to be a premier tournament. Something like Katowice and Code S deserve their own category. It's been the case for a long time. You COULD make the case that something like GSL Super Tournaments belong in that category too, but I wouldn't. The players don't value them as highly, Afreeca doesn't either. Katowice championships, Blizzcons and Code S all deserve their own special category of ultra premier or something similar that someone more clever with marketing can come up with. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:29 Vindicare605 wrote: You know it feels kind of bad to beat up on Trap when he didn't do well in this tournament, but this is what I mean about the championship pedigree that Zest has that Trap doesn't. Trap was on top of the world for how long and in that time how many tournaments did he win? Like 2? And one of them was relatively minor? Zest hasn't been relevant in at least a year and he just comes out of nowhere and bullshits his way to a tournament win, stepping over both Maru and Dark in some of their most dominant forms in the process. The guy knows how to be a champion, he just knows how to get it done. Yea I know he's been dominating the weeklies but this is different. Like seriously, who before this tournament started called it that Zest was gonna do what he did? He has actual champion pedigree. One of few current Protoss players that does. Zest won as much money as Trap in 2021, he is the Katowice finalist two times in a row and should have won his Code S over Cure. He was the best protoss of 2021 so this is not super surprising that he can win this ST | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On the other hand, what are those ridicolous attacks to Trap? Trap became a top player in 2019 and gradually improved until he started his winning streak in 2021; after his loss to Dark in Code S, Trap has been slumping for a while. This ST is Zest's biggest success in six years but he has looked like the best Protoss for a while already, are you totally oblivious to his Code S run last season? Zest winning should not surprise anyone. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On January 27 2022 21:52 Poopi wrote: Zest won as much money as Trap in 2021, he is the Katowice finalist two times in a row and should have won his Code S over Cure. He was the best protoss of 2021 so this is not super surprising that he can win this ST Super surprising is not what I said. I already said I consider Zest to be one of the few Protoss with champion pedigree so of course I'm never gonna count him out as a non-contender. But expecting THIS result.... come on, I never would have put my money on this happening and I'd be surprised if anyone would have unless they just like losing money, If anything is a surprise it's how Zest continues to so effectively keep coming back despite never showing the kind of dominance other champions have. Maybe it's because he's so quiet and mature, maybe it's because of something else, I don't know. But Zest has somehow quietly managed to be one of the most consistently dominant players in SC2's history. It's impressive, it really is. | ||
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