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On July 19 2021 20:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Proxy shield battery builds are the dumbest shit.
Like obviously Trap is heavily favoured, but that build still needs to die.
even that proxy tempest game against Maru in season 1 felt like Trap should have won if he didn't overextend.
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On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory?
That was me. I'm not ashamed, I called it wrong, big deal.
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On July 19 2021 22:02 Terra1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? That's probably the same guy that told me that just because he had Maru on his team, he's gonna beat Trap. I knew that Trap's gonna beat Bunny, even a sweep but I never expected for Bunny to be this worse, no offense to him. Trap almost seemed 100% focused (some close calls in 1 or 2 games) ever since his GSL loss to Maru (in a reverse sweep).
I don't recall saying that was the only reason I pegged Bunny for the win, but it certainly should have been a strong factor in his prep. I was wrong.
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On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals  On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot.
I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap.
Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series.
I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up.
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On July 20 2021 00:04 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? Probably just an alt from someone trying to sway the crowd to get an advantage it the LB race 
I dont bet.
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France12904 Posts
On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot. I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap. Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series. I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up.
Trap went 1-4 for a 6-9 map score at IEM katowice, while Bunny went 1-4 for a 2-8 map score at the same IEM Katowice. In fact, Bunny lost to TIME who is ranked #34 on aligulac, while Astrea is ranked... 31.
So following your logic that IEM Katowice performance should be the best predictor for this Trap vs Bunny match, Trap was supposed to win. Bunny lost to TIME man. He lost to TIME
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On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot. I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap. Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series. I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up.
I'm with you. I don't like Trap either. He is an amazing player and really scary when he is on form. But the thing I don't like about him is that he looks like a NA GM player once in a while and that is unacceptable for a top-tier player. Yeah Rogue and Maru have bad days too, but no way on earth they would lose to players like Astrea.
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France12904 Posts
On July 20 2021 01:31 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot. I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap. Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series. I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up. I'm with you. I don't like Trap either. He is an amazing player and really scary when he is on form. But the thing I don't like about him is that he looks like a NA GM player once in a while and that is unacceptable for a top-tier player. Yeah Rogue and Maru have bad days too, but no way on earth they would lose to players like Astrea.
Rogue is known for bombing out against virtually any player after big wins, while Maru suffered the biggest offline bo3+ upset in histori to MeomaikA (https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/572168-the-biggest-upsets-in-scii-history), so probably not the best examples :/.
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On July 20 2021 01:29 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot. I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap. Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series. I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up. Trap went 1-4 for a 6-9 map score at IEM katowice, while Bunny went 1-4 for a 2-8 map score at the same IEM Katowice. In fact, Bunny lost to TIME who is ranked #34 on aligulac, while Astrea is ranked... 31. So following your logic that IEM Katowice performance should be the best predictor for this Trap vs Bunny match, Trap was supposed to win. Bunny lost to TIME man. He lost to TIME
TIME is a pretty good player though? In any case, I didn't use that as the primary example, it was just a case of people overestimating Trap and seeing him completely fail. Yes I am aware that he has won 3 GSL supertournaments in a row. But he hasn't looked amazing this season whereas Bunny had looked unbeatable in his prep, and he had the right circumstances on his side. And yes, Bunny was crap at IEM, but Bunny is looking much better this season than he did at IEM, to me Trap looks the same as he did when he won the 3 super tournaments back to back with IEM in between.
I'm not going to back down from my assessment based on what I've seen this year. The result didn't pan out my way, I could not have been more wrong based on the results. But am I going to sit back and pretend I didn't say what I said even though it's how I understand things to be? Nope. You can keep ridiculing me if that's what gives you pleasure but it's pretty sad.
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On July 20 2021 01:38 Garbo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2021 01:29 Poopi wrote:On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot. I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap. Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series. I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up. Trap went 1-4 for a 6-9 map score at IEM katowice, while Bunny went 1-4 for a 2-8 map score at the same IEM Katowice. In fact, Bunny lost to TIME who is ranked #34 on aligulac, while Astrea is ranked... 31. So following your logic that IEM Katowice performance should be the best predictor for this Trap vs Bunny match, Trap was supposed to win. Bunny lost to TIME man. He lost to TIME TIME is a pretty good player though? In any case, I didn't use that as the primary example, it was just a case of people overestimating Trap and seeing him completely fail. Yes I am aware that he has won 3 GSL supertournaments in a row. But he hasn't looked amazing this season whereas Bunny had looked unbeatable in his prep, and he had the right circumstances on his side. And yes, Bunny was crap at IEM, but Bunny is looking much better this season than he did at IEM, to me Trap looks the same as he did when he won the 3 super tournaments back to back with IEM in between. I'm not going to back down from my assessment based on what I've seen this year. The result didn't pan out my way, I could not have been more wrong based on the results. But am I going to sit back and pretend I didn't say what I said even though it's how I understand things to be? Nope. You can keep ridiculing me if that's what gives you pleasure but it's pretty sad.
Some of us, me included, are just teasing you. You were so anti-Trap it was hard to resist. I'm happy to have you back on the forums and appreciate alternate perspectives on who and why they should win. Cheers! 
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On July 20 2021 01:38 Garbo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2021 01:29 Poopi wrote:On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory? honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the + Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today. Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best. But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot. I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap. Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series. I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up. Trap went 1-4 for a 6-9 map score at IEM katowice, while Bunny went 1-4 for a 2-8 map score at the same IEM Katowice. In fact, Bunny lost to TIME who is ranked #34 on aligulac, while Astrea is ranked... 31. So following your logic that IEM Katowice performance should be the best predictor for this Trap vs Bunny match, Trap was supposed to win. Bunny lost to TIME man. He lost to TIME TIME is a pretty good player though? In any case, I didn't use that as the primary example, it was just a case of people overestimating Trap and seeing him completely fail. Yes I am aware that he has won 3 GSL supertournaments in a row. But he hasn't looked amazing this season whereas Bunny had looked unbeatable in his prep, and he had the right circumstances on his side. And yes, Bunny was crap at IEM, but Bunny is looking much better this season than he did at IEM, to me Trap looks the same as he did when he won the 3 super tournaments back to back with IEM in between. I'm not going to back down from my assessment based on what I've seen this year. The result didn't pan out my way, I could not have been more wrong based on the results. But am I going to sit back and pretend I didn't say what I said even though it's how I understand things to be? Nope. You can keep ridiculing me if that's what gives you pleasure but it's pretty sad.
Did you watch any of Last Chance, NexT or TSL? The other 3 tournaments Trap has won this year.
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On July 20 2021 01:08 Garbo1 wrote:
Christ that was one of the worst series I've ever seen. I definitely expected Bunny to win and could not have been more wrong. That just really sucked to watch, and I still just hate watching Trap play.
I can't tell who is going to win this season anymore. I just hope it's not Trap.
right??? glad im not the only one that thinks this. trap is just the most boring protoss ever!!
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 20 2021 00:06 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2021 20:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Proxy shield battery builds are the dumbest shit.
Like obviously Trap is heavily favoured, but that build still needs to die. Would nerfing shield batteries proxy really affect any of the matchups? If you warp in a battery away from a nexus it starts with zero energy or something. Watching this series was painful. The mobility of Protoss in the early and mid game of a PvT is ridiculous. Stalkers / voids / warp Prysms allow an easy retreat in almost every situation. And if not, recall.
Any change which nerfes proxy shield battery nerfes shield battery or is counter intuitive. That's the issue. Now you have 2 warp modes, now you would have 2 shield batteries? If Protoss would have been balanced by some ideas people would need an encyklopedia to play them and get around all the exceptions.
Also think about a defensive shield battery outside of a nexus - e.g. near to a ramp against a cheese. You are nerfing a defensive shield battery suddenly.
It is actually impossible to balance this shit because you would need to redesign Protoss. The whole issue is that Protoss has to warp in units, because Protoss has to warp in units these units have to be weak as they go against the defender advantage. Because these units are weak you need a help to defend in the early game. And that's the whole issue. For example by pushing the warp in technology to mid game you can have stronger Gateway units, with stronger units you suddenly don't need the shield battery. But this requires the big post Blizzcon patch and considering Blizzard never tried to play with the warp technology I doubt they will now.
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Mexico2170 Posts
I feel maps could help against this. All these maps with the third basides the main help these kind of pushes a lot. If the third was further out/the main shaped differently/deliberate Clif placements etc I think they could nerf it.
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That promo image of Trap in a sailor suit...haha
GSL does have some very interesting promo concepts - I remember a pretty horrifying one back in 2011 where they had everyone in Code S put on heavy eyeliner. I'm so glad my favorite player missed Code S that season lol
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Northern Ireland26035 Posts
On July 20 2021 02:37 Obamarauder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2021 01:08 Garbo1 wrote:
Christ that was one of the worst series I've ever seen. I definitely expected Bunny to win and could not have been more wrong. That just really sucked to watch, and I still just hate watching Trap play.
I can't tell who is going to win this season anymore. I just hope it's not Trap. right??? glad im not the only one that thinks this. trap is just the most boring protoss ever!!
Booooo. He’s just a really good, rounded player who can do much of everything pretty well, I’m unsure if that’s boring.
Back on topic last I saw Trap was playing a lot of Stargate in PvT, I wonder if Bunny had prepped with that in mind and Trap switched it up to aggressive blink play, which really finds nasty timings to do damage against fast 3 CC builds.
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Northern Ireland26035 Posts
On July 20 2021 04:22 Bagration wrote:
That promo image of Trap in a sailor suit...haha
GSL does have some very interesting promo concepts - I remember a pretty horrifying one back in 2011 where they had everyone in Code S put on heavy eyeliner. I'm so glad my favorite player missed Code S that season lol
Some truly classic images from that season haha.
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@Garbo Sorry it feels like some people are ridiculing you. Starcraft is inherently super hard to predict, so getting a bo7 wrong is not proof that your arguments were bad.
That being said, I'm curious: how do you rate Trap's PvT overall (boringness aside). This year, he seems to have done really well at it. Aside from dropping the occasional 0-2 to Maru or Cure or his 1-2 against HeroMarine, I think he's basically won every series he's been in.
For what it's worth, I actually thought Bunny had a real shot at beating trap (despite getting 3-0'd in super tournament). Bunny's macro play looked super strong in that series. Unfortunately, his early game was just too sloppy today.
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On July 20 2021 04:05 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2021 00:06 Husyelt wrote:On July 19 2021 20:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Proxy shield battery builds are the dumbest shit.
Like obviously Trap is heavily favoured, but that build still needs to die. Would nerfing shield batteries proxy really affect any of the matchups? If you warp in a battery away from a nexus it starts with zero energy or something. Watching this series was painful. The mobility of Protoss in the early and mid game of a PvT is ridiculous. Stalkers / voids / warp Prysms allow an easy retreat in almost every situation. And if not, recall. Any change which nerfes proxy shield battery nerfes shield battery or is counter intuitive. That's the issue. Now you have 2 warp modes, now you would have 2 shield batteries? If Protoss would have been balanced by some ideas people would need an encyklopedia to play them and get around all the exceptions. Also think about a defensive shield battery outside of a nexus - e.g. near to a ramp against a cheese. You are nerfing a defensive shield battery suddenly. It is actually impossible to balance this shit because you would need to redesign Protoss. The whole issue is that Protoss has to warp in units, because Protoss has to warp in units these units have to be weak as they go against the defender advantage. Because these units are weak you need a help to defend in the early game. And that's the whole issue. For example by pushing the warp in technology to mid game you can have stronger Gateway units, with stronger units you suddenly don't need the shield battery. But this requires the big post Blizzcon patch and considering Blizzard never tried to play with the warp technology I doubt they will now.
Who builds defensive batteries in the early or mid game away from nexus’s unless they are getting proxied void ray? How would starting batteries at 0 away from nexus’s be that hard to get?
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 20 2021 04:22 Bagration wrote:
That promo image of Trap in a sailor suit...haha
GSL does have some very interesting promo concepts - I remember a pretty horrifying one back in 2011 where they had everyone in Code S put on heavy eyeliner. I'm so glad my favorite player missed Code S that season lol
Ask and you shall received (don't ask and you shall received anyway, suffer you fool)
https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/242822-gsl-2011-july-gsl-week-two#two
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