[GSL 2021] Code S - Semi Finals - Day One

On July 19 2021 18:57 Durnuu wrote:

No, it started at the same time as it always did

On July 19 2021 19:05 Poopi wrote:

Previous seasons it could be 10am my time instead of 11h30am like it is now, but it’s never been 12pm iirc. Sometimes way earlier (6h30am)

On July 19 2021 19:07 Durnuu wrote:

The 10:30 am is just when we change Summer/winter time in france. 10:30/11:30 is the standard for GSL since forever (18:30 KST)
6am was back when GSL was on saturdays, which isn't the case anymore since this year

On July 19 2021 19:11 Durnuu wrote:

I checked and you're right actually. Huh. One of them was because group selections was right after, but I have no idea about the other times. Maybe it was to adjust to online tournaments later in the day

On July 19 2021 19:20 Argonauta wrote:
can bunny do the maru?

On July 19 2021 19:31 Vindicare605 wrote:
That proxy Void Ray shit is so stupid. That build needs to die.

On July 19 2021 19:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
This is one of those things that if Blizzard isn't going to update the game anytime soon, map makers need to figure out some way to nerf the build from being as strong as it is. I don't have a clue how you'd do that, but something or anything would be welcome.

On July 19 2021 19:32 Poopi wrote:

Unfortunately that’s the StarCraft 2 blizzard left us with forever
Bunny lost to all other builds as well though

On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory?

On July 19 2021 22:13 Obamarauder wrote:
bunny is lucky to have made it this far anyway. hes a great player sure but dont think anyone truly thought he could win a gsl

On July 19 2021 22:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:

honestly if we talk about the same guy (Garbo something iirc) his points weren't stupid and I was myself quite on a Bunny hype train. It's easy to say afterwards that Trap was sooooo much better and that Bunny didn't stand a chance. His first trick didn't work at all, which probably didn't give him any confidence and increase the pressure on him ; then he gets mauled by a blink build, and then 3-0 with the+ Show Spoiler + proxy void ray stuff and it's curtains, you just don't recover from that in that context ; I know Maru reverse swept Trap last time, but I just stopped watching at 3-0 and I was right to do so. Now imagine Trap goes for a later robo in the first game and Bunny's gamble pays off, maybe we get at least a decent series. Won't say I'm sure we do, because Bunny didn't look on point to me while Trap was playing in a very decisive way, but I think that saying Bunny could bother Trap wasn't completely idiotic ; after all, Heromarine said on his stream that he considers himself a very similar player to Bunny, and the last time Trap and Heromarine played an important series it didn't go well for Trap. Granted, it was a bo3, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Bunny had taken some games today.

Anyway he obviously didn't but both possible finals have great potential, so I'm still excited for Thursday and the upcoming finals

On July 19 2021 20:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Proxy shield battery builds are the dumbest shit.

Like obviously Trap is heavily favoured, but that build still needs to die.

On July 19 2021 21:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Where's that guy from the last LR and Preview threads who kept trashing Trap's current form and said Bunny should have an easy victory?

On July 19 2021 22:02 Terra1 wrote:


That's probably the same guy that told me that just because he had Maru on his team, he's gonna beat Trap. I knew that Trap's gonna beat Bunny, even a sweep but I never expected for Bunny to be this worse, no offense to him.

Trap almost seemed 100% focused (some close calls in 1 or 2 games) ever since his GSL loss to Maru (in a reverse sweep).

On July 19 2021 22:54 Poopi wrote:

On the other hand you kinda knew that guy was trolling since in addition to a very low post count, he started talking about Trap being so so bad because he lost to Astrea. Given that Astrea has taken a map of virtually all best progamers (I checked Serral, Reynor, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Stats...), if it's not trolling it's naive at best.
But Bunny did have a lot of momentum going for him, 4-0 was not the most expected outcome even though we probably all feared it might happen given the 3-0 at GSL:ST2 and the fact that Trap almost 4-0d Maru in the same ro4 spot.

On July 20 2021 00:04 sneakyfox wrote:


Probably just an alt from someone trying to sway the crowd to get an advantage it the LB race

On July 20 2021 01:17 Garbo1 wrote:


I wasn't trolling at all, I legitimately believed Bunny was favoured to win. I'm not ashamed of what I commented, and it's not like it shouldn't hold any weight. I used Astrea as the example because he should have been the weakest in that group at IEM, and Trap lost 4 out 5 of his series that day, including to Astrea. It sits at the forefront of my mind of how I perceive Trap.

Again, I was wrong jn my prediction here today. I still don't like Trap, and Bunny played like crap today. Maybe it was because of Trap. Maybe Bunny got the jitters. But Bunny looked flawless this season, and he got wrecked so badly it was a pathetic looking series.

I don't know what my post count has to do with anything? To be honest I've been avoiding this forum for the last 5 months so as not to be spoiled on results, Katowice had some 160 hours of gameplay and it took me over 2 months to get through it all, and so I've been playing catchup on it and GSL ever since. Only now just caught up.

On July 20 2021 01:29 Poopi wrote:

Trap went 1-4 for a 6-9 map score at IEM katowice, while Bunny went 1-4 for a 2-8 map score at the same IEM Katowice. In fact, Bunny lost to TIME who is ranked #34 on aligulac, while Astrea is ranked... 31.
So following your logic that IEM Katowice performance should be the best predictor for this Trap vs Bunny match, Trap was supposed to win. Bunny lost to TIME man. He lost to TIME

On July 20 2021 01:38 Garbo1 wrote:


TIME is a pretty good player though? In any case, I didn't use that as the primary example, it was just a case of people overestimating Trap and seeing him completely fail. Yes I am aware that he has won 3 GSL supertournaments in a row. But he hasn't looked amazing this season whereas Bunny had looked unbeatable in his prep, and he had the right circumstances on his side. And yes, Bunny was crap at IEM, but Bunny is looking much better this season than he did at IEM, to me Trap looks the same as he did when he won the 3 super tournaments back to back with IEM in between.

I'm not going to back down from my assessment based on what I've seen this year. The result didn't pan out my way, I could not have been more wrong based on the results. But am I going to sit back and pretend I didn't say what I said even though it's how I understand things to be? Nope. You can keep ridiculing me if that's what gives you pleasure but it's pretty sad.

On July 20 2021 01:08 Garbo1 wrote:
Christ that was one of the worst series I've ever seen. I definitely expected Bunny to win and could not have been more wrong. That just really sucked to watch, and I still just hate watching Trap play.

I can't tell who is going to win this season anymore. I just hope it's not Trap.

On July 20 2021 00:06 Husyelt wrote:

Would nerfing shield batteries proxy really affect any of the matchups? If you warp in a battery away from a nexus it starts with zero energy or something.

Watching this series was painful. The mobility of Protoss in the early and mid game of a PvT is ridiculous. Stalkers / voids / warp Prysms allow an easy retreat in almost every situation. And if not, recall.

On July 20 2021 02:37 Obamarauder wrote:


right??? glad im not the only one that thinks this. trap is just the most boring protoss ever!!

On July 20 2021 04:22 Bagration wrote:
That promo image of Trap in a sailor suit...haha

GSL does have some very interesting promo concepts - I remember a pretty horrifying one back in 2011 where they had everyone in Code S put on heavy eyeliner. I'm so glad my favorite player missed Code S that season lol

On July 20 2021 04:22 Bagration wrote:
That promo image of Trap in a sailor suit...haha

GSL does have some very interesting promo concepts - I remember a pretty horrifying one back in 2011 where they had everyone in Code S put on heavy eyeliner. I'm so glad my favorite player missed Code S that season lol

On July 20 2021 04:05 deacon.frost wrote:

Any change which nerfes proxy shield battery nerfes shield battery or is counter intuitive. That's the issue. Now you have 2 warp modes, now you would have 2 shield batteries? If Protoss would have been balanced by some ideas people would need an encyklopedia to play them and get around all the exceptions.

Also think about a defensive shield battery outside of a nexus - e.g. near to a ramp against a cheese. You are nerfing a defensive shield battery suddenly.

It is actually impossible to balance this shit because you would need to redesign Protoss. The whole issue is that Protoss has to warp in units, because Protoss has to warp in units these units have to be weak as they go against the defender advantage. Because these units are weak you need a help to defend in the early game. And that's the whole issue. For example by pushing the warp in technology to mid game you can have stronger Gateway units, with stronger units you suddenly don't need the shield battery. But this requires the big post Blizzcon patch and considering Blizzard never tried to play with the warp technology I doubt they will now.

On July 20 2021 05:10 angry_maia wrote:
@Garbo Sorry it feels like some people are ridiculing you. Starcraft is inherently super hard to predict, so getting a bo7 wrong is not proof that your arguments were bad.

That being said, I'm curious: how do you rate Trap's PvT overall (boringness aside). This year, he seems to have done really well at it. Aside from dropping the occasional 0-2 to Maru or Cure or his 1-2 against HeroMarine, I think he's basically won every series he's been in.

For what it's worth, I actually thought Bunny had a real shot at beating trap (despite getting 3-0'd in super tournament). Bunny's macro play looked super strong in that series. Unfortunately, his early game was just too sloppy today.

On July 20 2021 01:31 parksonsc wrote:


I'm with you. I don't like Trap either. He is an amazing player and really scary when he is on form. But the thing I don't like about him is that he looks like a NA GM player once in a while and that is unacceptable for a top-tier player. Yeah Rogue and Maru have bad days too, but no way on earth they would lose to players like Astrea.

On July 20 2021 11:49 dysenterymd wrote:


Yeah Maru and Rogue have just lost to players like Meomaika and Namshar.

More seriously, Trap occasionally bombs for sure, but Astrea is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. NA is a weak region but if you look at Astrea's results in international competitions over the past year it's hard to argue he's in significantly worse form than the weaker Korean pros.

On July 20 2021 12:19 QOGQOG wrote:

Yeah, while Trap has had some notable flops, he's at worst average on consistency: Maru, Rogue, Cure, arguably Parting, Zest, and Dark are all less consistent. He's probably as consistent than the big three Europeans at this point, honestly.

On July 20 2021 12:25 angry_maia wrote:
Hmm, so I don't really understand claims about PvT being imba at a pro level. I can totally understand claims like "P is easier to play" or "T has to deal with a ton of bullshit like proxy void," but at the end of the day balance is a statistical argument and aigulac pretty definitively shows that the match-up is far from imbalanced (hovering close to 50.9% in map score, and the top 10 on aigulac is actually much more terran heavy than toss).

Balance whining is fine if its just lolz, but done seriously it really minimizes the efforts that pros like Trap put in. He's had some really devastating losses and has really worked for what he's accomplished this year.

On July 20 2021 12:25 angry_maia wrote:
Hmm, so I don't really understand claims about PvT being imba at a pro level. I can totally understand claims like "P is easier to play" or "T has to deal with a ton of bullshit like proxy void," but at the end of the day balance is a statistical argument and aigulac pretty definitively shows that the match-up is far from imbalanced (hovering close to 50.9% in map score, and the top 10 on aigulac is actually much more terran heavy than toss).

Balance whining is fine if its just lolz, but done seriously it really minimizes the efforts that pros like Trap put in. He's had some really devastating losses and has really worked for what he's accomplished this year.

On July 20 2021 12:48 tigera6 wrote:

Consistently, Maru has been the best one in 2021, he was never out of a Ro.4 of a tournament until GSL Season 2. And what Trap lacking is consistency at the very top tournament. All the guys that you mentioned, minus Cure, has made deep run at IEM/WCS/WESG tournament or even won them. Trap has not been able to win the big prize pool yet, and that is reflected on the Career Earning he has gotten so far. Thats why he got the reputation of being a "tier 2 winner", and while that is not fair to Trap, he need to change that view pretty soon.

On July 20 2021 14:02 WombaT wrote:

Trap IS Mr Consistency for the last 2+ years though.

A triple of Super Tournaments, a Dreamhack here, a TSL here. 3 GSL finals, he has the record for consecutive GSL Ro8s now.

He does have a certain rep but he’s been pretty stellar in GSL without taking one home yet, and bombing in that IEM was a genuine underperformance from him for sure but it’s a bit of an outlier there.

On July 20 2021 11:49 dysenterymd wrote:


Yeah Maru and Rogue have just lost to players like Meomaika and Namshar.

More seriously, Trap occasionally bombs for sure, but Astrea is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. NA is a weak region but if you look at Astrea's results in international competitions over the past year it's hard to argue he's in significantly worse form than the weaker Korean pros.

On July 20 2021 17:17 Harris1st wrote:
lol the bashing of the probably best player in the world right now is hilarious in this thread

On July 20 2021 23:27 Harris1st wrote:


True but in two of those cases the bashing came from Korean elitist for not beeing Korean which was kinda expected from them regardless of the outcome. And Rogue for beeing a P****zerg ^^

And now Trap wiping the floor with Bunny in Code S semis and half the comments are "lol Trap wow so bad much lucky"

Anyway, TL.net never ceases to amaze

On July 20 2021 23:27 Harris1st wrote:


True but in two of those cases the bashing came from Korean elitist for not beeing Korean which was kinda expected from them regardless of the outcome. And Rogue for beeing a P****zerg ^^

And now Trap wiping the floor with Bunny in Code S semis and half the comments are "lol Trap wow so bad much lucky"

Anyway, TL.net never ceases to amaze