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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:09 Argonauta wrote: Maru IS playing poorly How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: And then you overlooked all the people commenting on the stasis... gotcha I thought it was one lol | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Have we forgotten so quickly how the Rogue/Dream series went? The one series where Dream won game 7 and decided a bunch of buildings without any unit was what he needed? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. Maru lost like 50 supply to two stasis traps, especially the 3rd one was a stupid move after that preivous one. 2nd game was a BO loss | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:11 nojok wrote: The one series where Dream won game 7 and decided a bunch of buildings without any unit was what he needed? The one that he lost, yes that one. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. Yeah game 2 was a bit of a BO win, but I have been seeing Maru overtake all odds and win in these kind of situations. That is why Maru is Maru, here Maru looks like INnoVation. Extremely good T, but no X factor. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. Game1 was luck but also maru just not accounting for stasis wards with 3 oracles which imo is kinda playing poorly on this lvl, game2 he wanted to catch the prism and went for the adept then suddenly which lead to him having no units vs the dts then in his main which is a gamble that he then fucked up , seems kinda poor to me with marus standards. | ||
Poopi
France12889 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:12 Argonauta wrote: Yeah game 2 was a bit of a BO win, but I have been seeing Maru overtake all odds and win in these kind of situations. That is why Maru is Maru, here Maru looks like INnoVation. Extremely good T, but no X factor. You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. On April 29 2021 19:12 darklycid wrote: Game1 was luck but also maru just not accounting for stasis wards with 3 oracles which imo is kinda playing poorly on this lvl, game2 he wanted to catch the prism and went for the adept then suddenly which lead to him having no units vs the dts then in his main which is a gamble that he then fucked up , seems kinda poor to me with marus standards. He could either foillow his plans and try to get something off it or accept the lock on his 2 base and lose few minutes later. The opening was simply bad against DT/WP build. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. what bothers me is the 2c medvacs 2 libs and no vikings being built and the prism was still picking up units and building in the edges. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:15 Argonauta wrote: what bothers me is the 2c medvacs 2 libs and no vikings being built and the prism was still picking up units and building in the edges. It didn't matter, he already lost at that point  Edit> Maru tried to kill Trap with his next move and a viking would be useless. WHile I agree that removing WP would help, it wouldn't help to kill Trap. He gambled and lost. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:16 deacon.frost wrote: It didn't matter, he already lost at that point But he didnt GG there, if he tries as he did, buy a freaking viking then. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. He could either foillow his plans and try to get something off it or accept the lock on his 2 base and lose few minutes later. The opening was simply bad against DT/WP build. Yeah, I would actually commend Maru for almost getting the prism and the archons anyway two times. If he got that he might have a small chance. But incredible control and micro from Trap today so far. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. He could either foillow his plans and try to get something off it or accept the lock on his 2 base and lose few minutes later. The opening was simply bad against DT/WP build. While not the optimal opener vs dts he also fucked up massively in his execution against it, on oxide you have to account for dt drop it's very popular on that map and i think if he has more units in his base it's less of a problem but he gambled to get the prism and failed because adept, so imo playing kinda poorly for maru. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:12 Argonauta wrote: Yeah game 2 was a bit of a BO win, but I have been seeing Maru overtake all odds and win in these kind of situations. That is why Maru is Maru, here Maru looks like INnoVation. Extremely good T, but no X factor. First off, it is MUCH harder to come back in TvP than in TvZ unless your opponent throws away really valuable units for free like High Templar or something. Second, Trap is a much better opponent than other players Maru can just style on. This is an even series, every lucky break matters and can easily decide a game of SC2. So far Trap has claimed both of those. You could get into meta stuff like whether or not Maru was mindgaming too much with that BO in Game 2 but that's not "playing poorly" that's Trap playing a "better series" so far. This isn't a zero sum game, both players can be playing well just one is winning at the moment. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:18 Vindicare605 wrote: First off, it is MUCH harder to come back in TvP than in TvZ unless your opponent throws away really valuable units for free like High Templar or something. Second, Trap is a much better opponent than other players Maru can just style on. This is an even series, every lucky break matters and can easily decide a game of SC2. So far Trap has claimed both of those. You could get into meta stuff like whether or not Maru was mindgaming too much with that BO in Game 2 but that's not "playing poorly" that's Trap playing a "better series" so far. This isn't a zero sum game, both players can be playing well just one is winning at the moment. But Maru isn't playing well, which is the point. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Do we get a no Terran final despite the bnalance whine after the RO8? Stay tuned!  | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:19 Fango wrote: Maru was doing great in game 1 except for the stasis wards. Even after he was dead he fought out well for a bit. Game 2 was a build order loss. Maru isn't playing that poorly Maybe poorly is a bit harsh but he is not playing on the lvl required to win this series so far (so poorly only from the view of what lvl maru is capable of). | ||
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