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[GSL 2021] Code S - Semi Finals - Day 2 - Page 18
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Topin
Peru10117 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 10:28 Vindicare605 wrote: You quoted me when I talked about the Protoss players in the military and brought up Serral. Jeez man, sometimes I wonder if you ever think about what you write before or after you do it. Seriously, go back and read. I just did. I didn't mention Serral once in my post but you had to. I am not saying you did, I am saying that tigera, not me, made the discussion shift on Serral vs Maru(again); I indicated Serral and Maru on the fly as being the main reasons for Protoss not winning Code S or world championships in 2018, it was an incredibly marginal mention so while you are technically right, you are just seeing what you want to see here. On April 30 2021 11:00 tigera6 wrote: Not sure where you get your "fact" from? Last time they played it was a Bo3 and Serral won 2-1 and it was an epic match. Then, Maru was literrally 1 game away, or 1 miss Infestor Fungal shot away, from beating the World Champ Reynor in IEM, and yet you think it would be a mis-match against Serral? You will have your point if Rogue turn up and 4-0 or 4-1 Maru next week, but to say such thing now is just plain silly. The last time they played, Serral won 3-0. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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machinus
United States292 Posts
On April 30 2021 05:44 deacon.frost wrote: See, I think that offline Maru will win 4:0, 4:1 if he's gonna meme. Aaaaaaand that's why we should leave Serral out of Code S. He doesn't play in it, no reason to mention him. Maru could easily win. He beats insane Zergs in GSL. | ||
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tigera6
3486 Posts
On April 30 2021 11:42 Xain0n wrote: The last time they played, Serral won 3-0. Right, totally missed that one. Maru did have that one terrible stretch, either due to shoulder pain or lack of interest. He was 0-3 by Rogue, 0-3 by Trap, 2-3 by Bunny before that. Luckily he picked himself up after that to pretty good form till now. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 30 2021 11:42 Xain0n wrote: The last time they played, Serral won 3-0. In a minor online event during a period where Maru was in the hospital 3x a week, not able to practice at all according to other players, and straight dropping out of events due to shoulder pain. Your mindless Serral arguments are really desperate sometimes. I'm not saying Maru would 100% beat Serral. It could go either way. But to count him out is just complete stupidity, no other way to put it. And someone actually said Clem and Cure are better TvZers than Maru? Bruh | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
But based of current styles, Serral seems to have trouble dealing with super aggressive micro heavy terrans like Clem or Cure. I think his style is quite good against Maru, so I would favor him there, despite Maru being a better TvZer than Clem or Cure overall. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Yes and no. The more hype goes into something the worse it can end up. | ||
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Niravroh
165 Posts
On April 30 2021 18:36 deacon.frost wrote: Yes and no. The more hype goes into something the worse it can end up. With Rogue especially. Don't get your hopes up. He feeds on it! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 16:29 Fango wrote: In a minor online event during a period where Maru was in the hospital 3x a week, not able to practice at all according to other players, and straight dropping out of events due to shoulder pain. Your mindless Serral arguments are really desperate sometimes. I'm not saying Maru would 100% beat Serral. It could go either way. But to count him out is just complete stupidity, no other way to put it. And someone actually said Clem and Cure are better TvZers than Maru? Bruh It's not a "mindless Serral argument", it's a remark; Tigera forgot that match existed. My opinion was expressed above, Serral should have the stylistic advantage; the head to head tells us that Maru has beaten Serral once, the usual sea of excuses tells us that Maru is superior by divine right. I haven't counted Maru out and would never, you shouldn't discard the fact that Clem's TvZ could be better. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Anyway. Trap deserved to lose. He had won right there that proxy tempest game and literally did the only thing that could have lost him the game. So sad. | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
Prediction Maru will win his 5th GSL title and cement himself as the best terran who played SC2. | ||
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tigera6
3486 Posts
On April 30 2021 19:56 Xain0n wrote: I haven't counted Maru out and would never, you shouldn't discard the fact that Clem's TvZ could be better. Clem TvZ is on another level, mainly beause of his godly micro. He would just force Zerg to trade unfavorably every single time, and taking down 2-3 more banes for each encounter than other Terran. That force Zerg into over-making units into more banes, and cant expand or macro like they could in other TvZ matchups. Serral and Reynor will have to do some serious reseach and practice to figure out how to deal with this. I personally believe going with Roach Ravager and transition into Lurker Hydra could be a way do deal with it. The problem is transitioning from Roach Ravager into Lurker Hydra isnt effective, and you can get killed before enough Lurker coming out. Maru TvZ is so much about how turtle and clean he can defend, forcing Zerg trading badly into well-setup defense. Its a much boring style and would take all the games into lategame. | ||
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Swisslink
2955 Posts
I could see that being the worst GSL Finals of all time, and I‘m not even kidding. With those two, there‘s the chance that one of them just goes for some cheeky early game bullshit 4 times in a row and either crushed the opponent 4 times in a row or dies trying 4 times in a row. I hope I‘m wrong, but I wouldn‘t be too surprised, to be honest. | ||
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On May 01 2021 02:09 tigera6 wrote: Clem TvZ is on another level, mainly beause of his godly micro. He would just force Zerg to trade unfavorably every single time, and taking down 2-3 more banes for each encounter than other Terran. That force Zerg into over-making units into more banes, and cant expand or macro like they could in other TvZ matchups. Serral and Reynor will have to do some serious reseach and practice to figure out how to deal with this. I personally believe going with Roach Ravager and transition into Lurker Hydra could be a way do deal with it. The problem is transitioning from Roach Ravager into Lurker Hydra isnt effective, and you can get killed before enough Lurker coming out. Maru TvZ is so much about how turtle and clean he can defend, forcing Zerg trading badly into well-setup defense. Its a much boring style and would take all the games into lategame. Maru only does that super passive style every game in high ping matches. He mixes it up a lot more against Korean Zergs. He still plays it but it's not every time. Maru's micro is just as good as Clem's. | ||
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Poopi
France12921 Posts
On May 01 2021 05:46 JJH777 wrote: Maru only does that super passive style every game in high ping matches. He mixes it up a lot more against Korean Zergs. He still plays it but it's not every time. Maru's micro is just as good as Clem's. I would say his micro is even better than Clem, but you don’t get to see it against Reynor / Serral because of ping (he still has absurd army control in those games), whereas Clem plays these two with equal and low ping. His style was developed with the shoulder issue and is also good indeed for the high ping games, but he can play ByuN style games just as well. Edit: probably same as Clem in marine / bio micro, but better with ghost / late game army | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26855 Posts
On May 01 2021 07:18 geokilla wrote: Trap choked harder than Squirtle He choked on match point the first time by not getting his air fleet into battery range, other games he closed out well or wasn’t quite on it and Maru was. Last game he just missed the scout, happens. Squirtle defended Mvp’s gambit, then lost from a fantastic position. Dream choked the last set against Rogue, but both Trap and Dream showed up and put out some good sets. I mean I do love Trap so I’m a tad biased perhaps. To take out Maru he both needed his openers to compare favourably, and play the games out well. First 3 games he got both of those things, next 4 he generally lacked a favourable opener. If Trap and Maru had merely exchanged wins into a decider I don’t think people would be talking about a choke from Trap. | ||
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