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- Single-elimination bracket.
- Quarterfinals are Bo5.
- Semifinals are Bo7.
- Finals are Bo7.
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[GSL 2021] Code S - Semi Finals - Day 2
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Poll: Who Advances? Maru (25) Trap (9) 34 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1691 Posts
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LemonyTang
United Kingdom428 Posts
On April 29 2021 04:48 ShowTheLights wrote: 4-0 Maru terran bros ww@ | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
Trap will protoss him in one game. Maybe two if he plays great. Chance he beats Maru in a BO7 is prob <10% | ||
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Obamarauder
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Vindicare605
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
On April 29 2021 15:19 Vindicare605 wrote: Go get that G5L Maru! that trophy is cursed, but I believe Maru can break that curse | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2215 Posts
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umelbumel
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
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Argonauta
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Zambrah
United States7327 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 18:36 Poopi wrote: Gogo Maru, 4 games to win! Why is Trap sitting above everyone else? The high ground advantage. RIP Maru. | ||
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Durnuu
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Durnuu
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Edit: gg easy Trap 1-0 | ||
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darklycid
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
Bring back Collosus play, I liked to play against that more. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 18:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Sigh, welcome back to the meta Psionic Storm, I did not miss you. Bring back Collosus play, I liked to play against that more. ? Storm is infinitly better to watch imo. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
agreed | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
My wording choice was intentional. | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
Imo storm is also harder to play than colossus stuff, so why wouldn't you wanna play vs ppl who try storm and fail to pull it off :D | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 18:57 AzAlexZ wrote: Imagine having a less than favorable opening with lackluster oracle micro and a bad shade yet still stomping your opponent on macro, Trap is just too good Umm Maru threw away basically 2 small armies by running into stasis i'd say trap was even to ahead after that. | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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darklycid
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Slydie
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On April 29 2021 19:00 serendipitous wrote: Artosis acting like placing a few stasis wards and getting lucky that your opponent mindlessly walked into them is an insanely advanced strategy It was advanced enough to catch Mary with his pants down and win him the game against a favoured opponent... It was 100% planned for the map after that opening, he knew it was a potential weakness. If Maru could macro perfectly veins multiprong attacks, could he also play around statiswards? The answer was no... | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Edit: HE DOES IT AGAIN | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:04 deacon.frost wrote: Pick up range is so stupid oh boo hoo | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 29 2021 18:57 AzAlexZ wrote: Imagine having a less than favorable opening with lackluster oracle micro and a bad shade yet still stomping your opponent on macro, Trap is just too good That's what happens when your opponent loses 40 supply to stasis wards in their first push. Trap didn't get ahead on army supply through just good macro | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:06 Argonauta wrote: omg Maru just buy a viking It doesn't matter, he lost when trap made DTs and Prism while he didn't jave a startport | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:00 darklycid wrote: Umm Maru threw away basically 2 small armies by running into stasis i'd say trap was even to ahead after that. On April 29 2021 19:05 Fango wrote: That's what happens when your opponent loses 40 supply to stasis wards in their first push. Trap didn't get ahead on army supply through just good macro fair enough I overlooked that | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:05 MarianoSC2 wrote: Well this is unexpected. Trap dumpstering Maru so hard wow Have we forgotten so quickly how the Rogue/Dream series went? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:07 AzAlexZ wrote: fair enough I overlooked that How do you overlook that? oO | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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weiliem
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Easy. I missed that part of the game when I when to get food | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Have we forgotten so quickly how the Rogue/Dream series went? Maru isn't as such great favorite here as Rogue was in that series. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:09 AzAlexZ wrote: Easy. I missed that part of the game when I when to get food And then you overlooked all the people commenting on the stasis... gotcha | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Have we forgotten so quickly how the Rogue/Dream series went? That was different. Dream wasnt that great it was just Rogue being awful. Here Maru is playing kinda good but Trap just seems super prepared and outstanding so far. Not saying Maru cant overturn this but I am super impressed by Trap. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:09 Argonauta wrote: Maru IS playing poorly How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: And then you overlooked all the people commenting on the stasis... gotcha I thought it was one lol | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Have we forgotten so quickly how the Rogue/Dream series went? The one series where Dream won game 7 and decided a bunch of buildings without any unit was what he needed? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. Maru lost like 50 supply to two stasis traps, especially the 3rd one was a stupid move after that preivous one. 2nd game was a BO loss | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:11 nojok wrote: The one series where Dream won game 7 and decided a bunch of buildings without any unit was what he needed? The one that he lost, yes that one. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. Yeah game 2 was a bit of a BO win, but I have been seeing Maru overtake all odds and win in these kind of situations. That is why Maru is Maru, here Maru looks like INnoVation. Extremely good T, but no X factor. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote: How? Trap basically build order beat him in that game, and Stasis ward is a funky spell that either wins you the game or does nothing for you. This looks to me like both games have been decided MOSTLY by luck. Trap's gotten some lucky breaks and he's been good enough to take advantage of them. That's why a Bo7 is a Bo7. Game1 was luck but also maru just not accounting for stasis wards with 3 oracles which imo is kinda playing poorly on this lvl, game2 he wanted to catch the prism and went for the adept then suddenly which lead to him having no units vs the dts then in his main which is a gamble that he then fucked up , seems kinda poor to me with marus standards. | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:12 Argonauta wrote: Yeah game 2 was a bit of a BO win, but I have been seeing Maru overtake all odds and win in these kind of situations. That is why Maru is Maru, here Maru looks like INnoVation. Extremely good T, but no X factor. You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. On April 29 2021 19:12 darklycid wrote: Game1 was luck but also maru just not accounting for stasis wards with 3 oracles which imo is kinda playing poorly on this lvl, game2 he wanted to catch the prism and went for the adept then suddenly which lead to him having no units vs the dts then in his main which is a gamble that he then fucked up , seems kinda poor to me with marus standards. He could either foillow his plans and try to get something off it or accept the lock on his 2 base and lose few minutes later. The opening was simply bad against DT/WP build. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. what bothers me is the 2c medvacs 2 libs and no vikings being built and the prism was still picking up units and building in the edges. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:15 Argonauta wrote: what bothers me is the 2c medvacs 2 libs and no vikings being built and the prism was still picking up units and building in the edges. It didn't matter, he already lost at that point  Edit> Maru tried to kill Trap with his next move and a viking would be useless. WHile I agree that removing WP would help, it wouldn't help to kill Trap. He gambled and lost. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:16 deacon.frost wrote: It didn't matter, he already lost at that point But he didnt GG there, if he tries as he did, buy a freaking viking then. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. He could either foillow his plans and try to get something off it or accept the lock on his 2 base and lose few minutes later. The opening was simply bad against DT/WP build. Yeah, I would actually commend Maru for almost getting the prism and the archons anyway two times. If he got that he might have a small chance. But incredible control and micro from Trap today so far. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:13 deacon.frost wrote: You cannot do that with the recall wildcard, range pickup, invisibility men and having no air units. It was a BO loss. Had he opened with a starport there was a chance, but without a starport Maru direclty lost to the warp prism. He could either foillow his plans and try to get something off it or accept the lock on his 2 base and lose few minutes later. The opening was simply bad against DT/WP build. While not the optimal opener vs dts he also fucked up massively in his execution against it, on oxide you have to account for dt drop it's very popular on that map and i think if he has more units in his base it's less of a problem but he gambled to get the prism and failed because adept, so imo playing kinda poorly for maru. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:12 Argonauta wrote: Yeah game 2 was a bit of a BO win, but I have been seeing Maru overtake all odds and win in these kind of situations. That is why Maru is Maru, here Maru looks like INnoVation. Extremely good T, but no X factor. First off, it is MUCH harder to come back in TvP than in TvZ unless your opponent throws away really valuable units for free like High Templar or something. Second, Trap is a much better opponent than other players Maru can just style on. This is an even series, every lucky break matters and can easily decide a game of SC2. So far Trap has claimed both of those. You could get into meta stuff like whether or not Maru was mindgaming too much with that BO in Game 2 but that's not "playing poorly" that's Trap playing a "better series" so far. This isn't a zero sum game, both players can be playing well just one is winning at the moment. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:18 Vindicare605 wrote: First off, it is MUCH harder to come back in TvP than in TvZ unless your opponent throws away really valuable units for free like High Templar or something. Second, Trap is a much better opponent than other players Maru can just style on. This is an even series, every lucky break matters and can easily decide a game of SC2. So far Trap has claimed both of those. You could get into meta stuff like whether or not Maru was mindgaming too much with that BO in Game 2 but that's not "playing poorly" that's Trap playing a "better series" so far. This isn't a zero sum game, both players can be playing well just one is winning at the moment. But Maru isn't playing well, which is the point. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Do we get a no Terran final despite the bnalance whine after the RO8? Stay tuned! | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:19 Fango wrote: Maru was doing great in game 1 except for the stasis wards. Even after he was dead he fought out well for a bit. Game 2 was a build order loss. Maru isn't playing that poorly Maybe poorly is a bit harsh but he is not playing on the lvl required to win this series so far (so poorly only from the view of what lvl maru is capable of). | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:19 Fango wrote: Maru was doing great in game 1 except for the stasis wards. Even after he was dead he fought out well for a bit. Game 2 was a build order loss. Maru isn't playing that poorly YEah, Maru played well except when he wasn't and lost his army while doing nothing. Eh, that's not exactly playing well in my book. You need to play well from the start to the end | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:21 deacon.frost wrote: YEah, Maru played well except when he wasn't and lost his army while doing nothing. Eh, that's not exactly playing well in my book. You need to play well from the start to the end You guys are really missing the point. The only notable mistake was running into stasis wards, which can happen to anyone. Everything else he did looked fine. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:23 Fango wrote: You guys are really missing the point. The only notable mistake was running into stasis wards, which can happen to anyone. Everything else he did looked fine. And he lost because of that. You cannot do such huge mistakes on this level .TWICE. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:21 deacon.frost wrote: YEah, Maru played well except when he wasn't and lost his army while doing nothing. Easy to say about a spell you can cast and forget about. If you miss one scan or make one small misstep and you lose not just a few units but your ENTIRE army. That's stasis ward. It's a gimmicky gamble of a spell and when it works it makes the player who triggered it look foolish. But that's just the nature of the spell. No other spell in the game works like that. At least nukes give your opponent a warning that you've casted it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:24 Vindicare605 wrote: Easy to say about a spell you can cast and forget about. If you miss one scan or make one small misstep and you lose not just a few units but your ENTIRE army. That's stasis ward. It's a gimmicky gamble of a spell and when it works it makes the player who triggered it look foolish. But that's just the nature of the spell. No other spell in the game works like that. At least nukes give your opponent a warning that you've casted it. Maru. Did. This. Twice. In. A. Row. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:24 deacon.frost wrote: And he lost because of that. You cannot do such huge mistakes on this level .TWICE. It happens to anyone. Yes it's a mistake, yes it cost him the game. But the point was he didn't lose because of his general performance being poor. Anyone can run into stasis wards, no one opens 3 oracle and spams them anymore | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Wow, he is playing super well today, wtf | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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darklycid
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
trap beating rogue seems really unlikely.. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:31 darklycid wrote: If this is Maru playing well, what is maru playing poor then? This is Trap playing better. Quit being obnoxious. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:32 Vindicare605 wrote: This is Trap playing better. Quit being obnoxious. But Maru isn't playing his best either. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:32 Vindicare605 wrote: This is Trap playing better. Quit being obnoxious. Yes trap is playing better, but maru is also not playing as well as you ppl are saying. His best game was game 1 imo he should go back to more standard play, and just not run into stasis again. | ||
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Anc13nt
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
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tigera6
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
Trap is playing some next level PvT here. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Trap better get such level of play to series vs Rogue in the final. He doesn't seem to choke as much as he used to, and winning 3 finals in a row is a testament to his newfound level of confidence in finals | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Sad thing about this is that its all just to get 4:0 in the finals by Rogue :D | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote: Trap is playing AMAZING, look like he was hiding his PvT builds after all. it just not builds, it is army movement and map awareness and scout and everything. This last game was just outplay,. | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25561 Posts
Makes his Katowice performance that much more frustrating, he’s looked great either side of it I’m not sure how but I feel people are sleeping on quite how good Trap is still. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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RKC
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:35 Argonauta wrote: it just not builds, it is army movement and map awareness and scout and everything. This last game was just outplay,. It's also build choice for the map. That map was PERFECT for what Trap wanted to do. 100% a tailored build for that map, very well practiced. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:35 sudete wrote: He doesn't seem to choke as much as he used to, and winning 3 finals in a row is a testament to his newfound level of confidence in finals He also doesn't deliver in PvZ most of the time. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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dysenterymd
1237 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:36 RKC wrote: Wow has Maru ever got 4-0ed in a premier? Trap 4-0'd him in GSL Season 3 2019 semifinals iirc | ||
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Germany1608 Posts
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darklycid
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:36 dysenterymd wrote: Trap 4-0'd him in GSL Season 3 2019 semifinals iirc that was a 4-1, then trap lost 4-0 to Rogue | ||
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United States16071 Posts
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Argonauta
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Luolis
Finland7113 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Anc13nt
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
I am entertained. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Durnuu
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On April 29 2021 19:44 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, this is definitely getting a shout out in games of 2021 list, right? As if such a list will ever see the light of day | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:44 digmouse wrote: Have 8 batteries lying around and chose to fight outside of it. honestly I'm not sure if it would've saved him, the vikings were killing faster than a shield battery could recharge them, with target fire they do more damage than they have shields total | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:44 nojok wrote: Wtf? Alt tabbed half a sec and then it's over? Yeah, Trap moved to the wrong side where no shield batteries were. 1000 iq move | ||
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Anc13nt
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:44 Die4Ever wrote: honestly I'm not sure if it would've saved him, the vikings were killing faster than a shield battery could recharge them It was close though, I'm not convinced it would have made a difference either but fighting outside of them does look like a headscratching moment. | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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darklycid
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On April 29 2021 19:44 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Even if Maru won that, gotta say proxy battery is stuuuupid AF to have in the game. While i agree, it's kinda ironic seeing terrans being beaten by offensively placed static d | ||
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Luolis
Finland7113 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:45 darklycid wrote: While i agree, it's kinda ironic seeing terrans being beaten by offensively placed static d Are you being serious? Protoss has the oldest and most iconic proxy static D rush of all time. If anything the Bunker rush came about because Terrans saw what Protoss were doing and asked "why can't I do that?" | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:45 darklycid wrote: While i agree, it's kinda ironic seeing terrans being beaten by offensively placed static d They were being beaten by a fucking pylon. So let's say Blizzard doesn't have a great record when talking about balancing Protoss buildings. | ||
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youaremysin
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:45 darklycid wrote: While i agree, it's kinda ironic seeing terrans being beaten by offensively placed static d But you can sell the bunker and rebuild it elsewhere, it's not that static! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25561 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:45 Poopi wrote: That build looks kinda broken but somehow Maru won, is this destiny? Looked like a 4-0 but he takes a game, maybe he can win 3 in a row now... Possible but rather difficult. Trap’s playing pretty damn well, so Maru’s got to hope he doesn’t get a BO loss plus manage to win every evenly-poised standard game too | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:48 nojok wrote: But you can sell the bunker and rebuild it elsewhere, it's not that static! flashback to blizzard wanting to make cannons move in sc2 alpha | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Are you being serious? Protoss has the oldest and most iconic proxy static D rush of all time. If anything the Bunker rush came about because Terrans saw what Protoss were doing and asked "why can't I do that?" true but at least in pvt that one isn't really a thing, but yeah proxy sg shield battery is really bullshit i would rly be fine if they just nerfed that (and cannon rush into proxy shgield batteries) into the ground. | ||
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On April 29 2021 19:49 Andi_Goldberger wrote: flashback to blizzard wanting to make cannons move in sc2 alpha And then they added the pylon overcharge, because who would build a pylon offensively | ||
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On April 29 2021 19:49 WombaT wrote: Possible but rather difficult. Trap’s playing pretty damn well, so Maru’s got to hope he doesn’t get a BO loss plus manage to win every evenly-poised standard game too So what else does Trap have prepared, what does Maru? What maps are left? We haven't seen a single standard macro game so far in this game. Even in the first game Trap went heavy on Oracle which is not a very standard build and as everyone has pointed out so far, that game was decided by a couple of Stasis Traps. Every other game has been a house full of funk. | ||
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On April 29 2021 19:51 Vindicare605 wrote: So what else does Trap have prepared, what does Maru? What maps are left? We haven't seen a single standard macro game so far in this game. Even in the first game Trap went heavy on Oracle which is not a very standard build and as everyone has pointed out so far, that game was decided by a couple of Stasis Traps. Every other game has been a house full of funk. Game 3 was rather standard and was Trap dominance | ||
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On April 29 2021 19:53 Fango wrote: Maru can 3-0 Trap but he can't get BO shafted if he wants to So any logical person would say "no more cheeky shit!" but this is Maru. He has a habit of doing some wierd shit at really weird times, that's why he lost to Reynor at Katowice. | ||
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On April 29 2021 19:54 Vindicare605 wrote: So any logical person would say "no more cheeky shit!" but this is Maru. He has a habit of doing some wierd shit at really weird times, that's why he lost to Reynor at Katowice. He's a true prime terran, he has a requirement to throw one game a series using clown builds | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:00 Poopi wrote: Is this the beginning of a comeback? It is now Maru’s map pick, maybe he has something prepared. It's Maru, he'll do the classic proxy rax in the centre of the the four player map | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:01 Fango wrote: It's Maru, he'll do the classic proxy rax in the centre of the the four player map lol | ||
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the prophet lol | ||
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On April 29 2021 19:59 Fango wrote: You shouldn't be able to recall disabled units Why shouldn't I phone my grandfather during those codvid times? Seems unnecessarily harsh on him. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:01 Fango wrote: It's Maru, he'll do the classic proxy rax in the centre of the the four player map You know him so well And so does Trap | ||
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e: oh wow nvm. what a god | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:06 Die4Ever wrote: why are tastosis acting like archon morph and recall is new? I mean I always love that move, but I've seen it multiple times before even in GSL lol they focus on BW so everytime anything happens in GSL its more exciting to them which makes the cast more exciting + Show Spoiler + jk | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:07 MarianoSC2 wrote: Trap had that game won. This was a super throw. Now Maru can win with the next push Whut? How exactly? | ||
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Trap played badly because he neglected to consider the scans Maru might have saved up. And then mis microd slightly his 3 DTs. Trap playing badly. That's the logic people were using earlier about game 1. | ||
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Maybe he still does it like he did in the Super Tournament but yeah, he really should not lose so easily from these kind of positions. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:07 MarianoSC2 wrote: Trap had that game won. This was a super throw. Now Maru can win with the next push One base DT doing very little damage, maru had the lead the entire game. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:10 Vindicare605 wrote: Trap played badly because he neglected to consider the scans Maru might have saved up. And then mis microd slightly his 3 DTs. Trap playing badly. That's the logic people were using earlier about game 1. Yep that is playing bad at least by the standard of the #1 toss, which is why maru running into stasis twice in a row was also bad by his standard. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:10 Vindicare605 wrote: Trap played badly because he neglected to consider the scans Maru might have saved up. And then mis microd slightly his 3 DTs. Trap playing badly. That's the logic people were using earlier about game 1. But it wasn't a direct win for Trap, Maru had a raven on the way and Trap didn't have any easy way past the wall. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:10 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: Two one-sided 3:0s into game 7. Is this a good series? It’s the most stressful series I watched in a long time. Maru playing with our heart. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:11 deacon.frost wrote: But it wasn't a direct win for Trap, Maru had a raven on the way and Trap didn't have any easy way past the wall. DT builds without robo are just so hit or miss | ||
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It not getting scouted however is spicy. | ||
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sOs vs KT Classic vs sOs Didn't a certain zerg do it in MLG back in WoL as well? | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:14 Fango wrote: Soulkey vs INnoVation sOs vs KT Classic vs sOs Didn't a certain zerg do it in MLG back in WoL as well? Life vs DRG in Iron Squid, yes | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:14 Fango wrote: Soulkey vs INnoVation sOs vs KT Classic vs sOs Didn't a certain zerg do it in MLG back in WoL as well? MC vs ...Reality I think? | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:15 AzAlexZ wrote: lol wow, Maru making it work He should have scouted the position | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:16 Die4Ever wrote: lol Maru thought about doing the bunker rush on the toilet Toilet break OP | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:17 Vindicare605 wrote: Ah man, what is with this season having Game 7 Bunker rushes messing with my blood pressure? I expect this from Maru but not from Dream. Two in a row. Two different results. Rogue vs Maru in the finals. All in all I'd say this has been a pretty great Ro4. Finals will be crap confirmed. | ||
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Soulkey vs INnoVation sOs vs KT Classic vs sOs and now Maru vs Trap | ||
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I think you are thinking of Last, he go reverse swept twice in a row but it was that one OSL season. (Rain , then MC in the 3rd place match) | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:18 Fango wrote: Life vs DRG Soulkey vs INnoVation sOs vs KT Classic vs sOs and now Maru vs Trap also MC vs Last  2012 OnGameNet Starleague Season 1/Main TournamentAND Rain vs Last lol | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:19 Nakajin wrote: I think you are thinking of Last, he go reverse swept twice in a row but it was that one OSL season. (Rain , then MC in the 3rd place match) I forgot those were both in the same tournament, that's hilarious, poor Last | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:16 Xain0n wrote: The final should have been Dream-Trap, what a festival of throws... At this point, Maru deserves the G5L game 1 was Maru throw by running into stasis game 2 was BOW for Trap game 4 was clown builds game 6 was Trap throw game 7 was BOW for Maru Seems even to me | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:21 Fango wrote: game 1 was Maru throw by running into stasis game 2 was BOW for Trap game 4 was FILTH build game 6 was Trap throw game 7 was BOW for Maru Seems even to me Fixed for ya. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote: I'm getting some Flash vs Jaedong vibes from this final. I'm so hyped for it. I would be as well, but when was the last time Maru vs Rogue has been at least decent? I am expecting a lot of clown builds, but lets at least hope for a 4:3 | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:20 Morbidius wrote: TvZ finals, with my 2 favorite players on my birthday! me too! OMG didn't realized. Bday day; Rogue and Maru Bo7 O.o im 5yo again. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote: I would be as well, but when was the last time Maru vs Rogue has been at least decent? I am expecting a lot of clown builds, but lets at least hope for a 4:3 When have they ever met in a GSL final? This is the first time. They've met each other countless times but never like this, and never when they were not on the same team. It's different now. It FEELS different. The stakes are way higher than any match they've faced each other in before. It could very easily be a disappointment but from where I'm sitting right now I am not expecting it to be. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:23 Fango wrote: Trap deserved to lose after going proxy tempest while up 3-0 100% agreed. Trap lost the series when he covered himself in sewer water, especially after playing such a beautifully pristine game 3. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Will someone finally get the G5L or will Rogue's BO7 invincibility prevail? the storylines for this final are really sick, what a setup for next week. cant wait | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote: I would be as well, but when was the last time Maru vs Rogue has been at least decent? I am expecting a lot of clown builds, but lets at least hope for a 4:3 IEM Katowice 2020 semifinals, great Rogue vs Maru match | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:29 Fango wrote: After Trap came so close to throwing a 3-0 lead against Stats, is it safe to say he has trouble closing out series? uhh, that's always been a thing with him. He's only looked lately like he's finally overcome it but when you're against one of the most clutch players in the world I guess it creeps back. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:27 Vindicare605 wrote: BTW someone better check in on GGemini, I think he might not have survived that series. he hasnt tweeted anything in regards to this match, might have tried to not jinx it.. | ||
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On April 29 2021 18:41 Zambrah wrote: Arteezt has cursed Trap, back to work, home, and or bed everyone, Traps fates been sealed Called it | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:31 weiliem wrote: 4-3 + a reverse sweep, sounds like an amazing series..... But it really was not..... What a terrible series of games..... whaat? they were tons of fun, the utterly domination of Trap in the first 3 games. Game 3 best PvT vs Maru I can recall. Game 4 was so close to be a a Trap victory too, then even the 2 last DT games were a bit crazy because it meant Maru getting closer to the reverse sweep. and game 7; the missing scout and trap face when he saw the bunker were golden. Super fun series.; | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:36 Argonauta wrote: whaat? they were tons of fun, the utterly domination of Trap in the first 3 games. Game 3 best PvT vs Maru I can recall. Game 4 was so close to be a a Trap victory too, then even the 2 last DT games were a bit crazy because it meant Maru getting closer to the reverse sweep. and game 7; the missing scout and trap face when he saw the bunker were golden. Super fun series.; in terms of game quality it wasnt a Clem vs Serral kind of series but that doesnt mean its not fun to watch - I agree | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:37 Andi_Goldberger wrote: in terms of game quality it wasnt a Clem vs Serral kind of series but that doesnt mean its not fun to watch - I agree Yea we didn't see anyone die to Helbat rushes so it definitely wasn't Clem vs Serral level. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:31 Vindicare605 wrote: uhh, that's always been a thing with him. He's only looked lately like he's finally overcome it but when you're against one of the most clutch players in the world I guess it creeps back. He looked not confident at all anymore after losing the 2nd one. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:38 tigera6 wrote: It seems to me that Trap realized he cant beat Maru in a straight up macro game, so he did EVERYTHING to make it weird, I think he did every single cheese that Toss can pull off in recent months. After being down 0-3, Maru realized that and was doing everything he could to survive the early Toss cheese and make the push to win the games. Nah, Maru was down 0-3 and still going for proxy raxes. He wasn't playing safe and defensive even though it would have probably been the right thing to do. Remember when Maru went down 0-2 to sOs doing proxies? And everyone called him an idiot for doing it in game 3? Well sometimes it works (see: Maru TY first GSL finals, this series). | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:41 Fango wrote: Nah, Maru was down 0-3 and still going for proxy raxes. He wasn't playing safe and defensive even though it would have probably been the right thing to do. Remember when Maru went down 0-2 to sOs doing proxies? And everyone called him an idiot for doing it in game 3? Well sometimes it works (see: Maru TY first GSL finals, this series). Today proxies were far less committed than the ones vs sOs (except the bunker rush) though. Like proxying a single barracks with reaper compared to proxying cyclones and marauders... | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:41 Fango wrote: Nah, Maru was down 0-3 and still going for proxy raxes. He wasn't playing safe and defensive even though it would have probably been the right thing to do. Remember when Maru went down 0-2 to sOs doing proxies? And everyone called him an idiot for doing it in game 3? Well sometimes it works (see: Maru TY first GSL finals, this series). It works almost all the time, the sOs fiasco at Blizzcon is the exception. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:41 Fango wrote: Nah, Maru was down 0-3 and still going for proxy raxes. He wasn't playing safe and defensive even though it would have probably been the right thing to do. Remember when Maru went down 0-2 to sOs doing proxies? And everyone called him an idiot for doing it in game 3? Well sometimes it works (see: Maru TY first GSL finals, this series). I think Maru wasnt really all-in in his Proxy other than that last game. It was a single rack trying to mess Trap build timing up while he still building up at home. He was able to get energy build-up for the scan, also making decently early Raven was indicating how careful he was going to be. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:43 Morbidius wrote: It works almost all the time, the sOs fiasco at Blizzcon is the exception. It works except when you're trying to proxy fucking sOs. Don't play the proxy game with sOs, he's the MASTER of proxy warfare. I call Maru an idiot to this day for that because at the time he was CLEARLY the superior player in macro games and he's going against the cheese master, so he fights cheese master with cheese. That's not smart. That's playing HIS game, not yours. Make him play YOUR game. | ||
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On April 29 2021 20:42 Poopi wrote: Today proxies were far less committed than the ones vs sOs (except the bunker rush) though. Like proxying a single barracks with reaper compared to proxying cyclones and marauders... Sure, but proxy rax isn't exactly a defensive "survive any cheese" build like tigera6 was suggesting. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:02 machinus wrote: It's so weird how people don't mind every game being proxy Oracle or proxy DTs, but one bunker rush is "cheese." Protoss are expected to cheese. Also Maru won the series. Guaranteed if Trap had won Game 4 this thread would be doing nothing except talking about that disgusting proxy Void Ray/Tempest/Shield Battery build. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Protoss are expected to cheese. Also Maru won the series. Guaranteed if Trap had won Game 4 this thread would be doing nothing except talking about that disgusting proxy Void Ray/Tempest/Shield Battery build. It is disgusting and should be patched out. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:11 deacon.frost wrote: It is disgusting and should be patched out. Yeah, even though Maru won it, that game still felt pretty gross to watch. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:15 neutralrobot wrote: Yeah, even though Maru won it, that game still felt pretty gross to watch. I threw my fist into the air when Trap GG'd out. Games like those are especially satisfying to see the person defending the cheese to stop. Maru's move with the Vikings turned out to be genius, but obviously you can't do that on every map. | ||
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crushes 3 games and then does super risky dumb builds 3 times in a row and fails all of them.. game 4. cheese fail followed by throw game 5 . throw (stupid build and maru vs a standard maru build?) game 6. throw after catching the proxy game 7 failed scout BOW Win and the final game? it's fucking maru.. HE ALWAYS PROXIES! How have people not learnt this yet? really really poor from trap. | ||
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I hoped Trap had really stepped up after his recent titles but he evidently still doubts himself when he is on the biggest stages. Trap said he won't see him as a true champion until he wins Katowice or a Code S and it shows, he doesn't have the same confidence. He is still the biggest hope for Protoss in the near future. At the moment, Protoss is living the biggest abstinence from Code S and World Championship titles in the history of Sc2; since Stats won Code S in 2017, Protoss collectively went 0-7 in Code S finals, lost once at BlizzCon and four times at Katowice(for what it counts, they also went 0-3 in WCS circuit finals). Zerg didn't win Code S for six years between 2013 and 2019 with a 0-8 record in the finals but at least they won five world championships in the same period. It's clear that balance can't be the reason, ZvP was a big offender for a while but Protoss players managed to lose many finals they could have won and that they are favourite in. I'm a little disheartened, I was seeing a Protoss eventually winning Code S after Trap was up 3-0. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:32 La1 wrote: Felt like a huge throw from trap crushes 3 games and then does super risky dumb builds 3 times in a row and fails all of them.. game 4. cheese fail followed by throw game 5 . throw (stupid build and maru vs a standard maru build?) game 6. throw after catching the proxy game 7 failed scout BOW Win and the final game? it's fucking maru.. HE ALWAYS PROXIES! How have people not learnt this yet? really really poor from trap. You do realize Trap won 2 of his game because of "risky dumb builds" right? It was the Stasis trap and DT that deal enough damage to Maru that Trap got ahead and won. Had those been standard macro game with normal timing, Maru could have won. You dont get to call out player for failed cheese, but then acting like when he won he didnt win because of cheese. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:40 tigera6 wrote: You dont get to call out player for failed cheese, but then acting like when he won he didnt win because of cheese. This. The only game Trap won cleanly was Game 3, and that was a nearly perfect execution build for him on a map that was totally perfect for what he was trying to do. Seriously Romanticide is so good for Protoss blink play it disgusts me. He got some lucky breaks to win Games 1 and 2 and Game 2 was as much of a build order win as Game 7 was for Maru, ok maybe not quite as much but close. Maru was ahead in Game 1 slightly and threw it away to Stasis traps. It was a back and forth series. Each player threw a game they should have won, (Game 1 for Maru, Game 6 for Trap) Each had a build order win (Game 2 for Trap, Game 7 for Maru) and then there was game 4 which was the closest game of the series. That game was neck in neck and it honestly looked to me like Maru was dead but he BARELY managed to clutch that win. It was a close series. The fact it ended on a 4-0 doesn't tell the whole story. | ||
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On April 29 2021 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote: This. The only game Trap won cleanly was Game 3, and that was a nearly perfect execution build for him on a map that was totally perfect for what he was trying to do. Seriously Romanticide is so good for Protoss blink play it disgusts me. He got some lucky breaks to win Games 1 and 2 and Game 2 was as much of a build order win as Game 7 was for Maru, ok maybe not quite as much but close. Maru was ahead in Game 1 slightly and threw it away to Stasis traps. It was a back and forth series. Each player threw a game they should have won, (Game 1 for Maru, Game 6 for Trap) Each had a build order win (Game 2 for Trap, Game 7 for Maru) and then there was game 4 which was the closest game of the series. That game was neck in neck and it honestly looked to me like Maru was dead but he BARELY managed to clutch that win. It was a close series. The fact it ended on a 4-0 doesn't tell the whole story. I wouldn't say G1 was a cheese. It was Maru's throw, he walked into 2 stasis traps before. he has seen 3rd on the nat, so he should have expected another one on the third. | ||
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On April 29 2021 22:03 deacon.frost wrote: I wouldn't say G1 was a cheese. It was Maru's throw, he walked into 2 stasis traps before. he has seen 3rd on the nat, so he should have expected another one on the third. I never said it was a cheese, I said it was a Maru throw and a lucky break for Trap. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 29 2021 21:32 La1 wrote: and the final game? it's fucking maru.. HE ALWAYS PROXIES! How have people not learnt this yet? really really poor from trap. Trap was scouting for the proxy. He just got unlucky and not diligent enough perhaps. Not poor by any means, just an unlucky BO loss. Same as game 2 was BO loss for Maru. The only game we could say was really poor from Trap was game 6, he just threw that with horrible DT control. And perhaps he could have chosen a different strat in game5, but aside from that, they both had their good and bad moments and Maru in the end was more clutch, more lucky, and stronger mentally. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 22:10 MarianoSC2 wrote: Trap was scouting for the proxy. He just got unlucky and not diligent enough perhaps. Not poor by any means, just an unlucky BO loss. Same as game 2 was BO loss for Maru. The only game we could say was really poor from Trap was game 6, he just threw that with horrible DT control. And perhaps he could have chosen a different strat in game5, but aside from that, they both had their good and bad moments and Maru in the end was more clutch, more lucky, and stronger mentally. Interestingly Rogue checked this position as the first position on this map vs Dream. Seems like this corner is very trendy | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria334 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On April 29 2021 21:33 Xain0n wrote: My real question is: who is going to save Protoss at the highest level? I hoped Trap had really stepped up after his recent titles but he evidently still doubts himself when he is on the biggest stages. Trap said he won't see him as a true champion until he wins Katowice or a Code S and it shows, he doesn't have the same confidence. He is still the biggest hope for Protoss in the near future. At the moment, Protoss is living the biggest abstinence from Code S and World Championship titles in the history of Sc2; since Stats won Code S in 2017, Protoss collectively went 0-7 in Code S finals, lost once at BlizzCon and four times at Katowice(for what it counts, they also went 0-3 in WCS circuit finals). Zerg didn't win Code S for six years between 2013 and 2019 with a 0-8 record in the finals but at least they won five world championships in the same period. It's clear that balance can't be the reason, ZvP was a big offender for a while but Protoss players managed to lose many finals they could have won and that they are favourite in. I'm a little disheartened, I was seeing a Protoss eventually winning Code S after Trap was up 3-0. At the smae time protoss is massively overpopulating gm, so it's more likely some changes (nerfs) are needed for toss at that lvl while noit hurting the top toss that aren't perfroming that hot anyways. Doesn't look like something that's gonna happen with the current "team" "working" on sc2. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 29 2021 22:33 darklycid wrote: At the smae time protoss is massively overpopulating gm, so it's more likely some changes (nerfs) are needed for toss at that lvl while noit hurting the top toss that aren't perfroming that hot anyways. Doesn't look like something that's gonna happen with the current "team" "working" on sc2. Because Protoss is great for BO1 and it's just ladder, pros care more about BOx :-) | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24208 Posts
Anyway, it's hard not to be hyped for Maru getting G5L or Rogue keeping his insane bo7 record unbroken and tying Nestea. This is probably the finals I'll be yearning for the most in recent times. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On April 29 2021 22:02 machinus wrote: Protoss constantly cheesing is heartbreaking and frustrating for Terran players...why no sympathy? But people feel sad when a Terran manages to successfully proxy a Protoss? Does anyone else think this game has design problems? Agreed. I hope in the next balance patch, Blizzard gives Terran more aggressive/cheese options against Protoss. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On April 29 2021 22:33 darklycid wrote: At the smae time protoss is massively overpopulating gm, so it's more likely some changes (nerfs) are needed for toss at True. The number of Protoss in GM is astonishing these days. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 29 2021 21:33 Xain0n wrote: My real question is: who is going to save Protoss at the highest level? I hoped Trap had really stepped up after his recent titles but he evidently still doubts himself when he is on the biggest stages. Trap said he won't see him as a true champion until he wins Katowice or a Code S and it shows, he doesn't have the same confidence. He is still the biggest hope for Protoss in the near future. At the moment, Protoss is living the biggest abstinence from Code S and World Championship titles in the history of Sc2; since Stats won Code S in 2017, Protoss collectively went 0-7 in Code S finals, lost once at BlizzCon and four times at Katowice(for what it counts, they also went 0-3 in WCS circuit finals). Zerg didn't win Code S for six years between 2013 and 2019 with a 0-8 record in the finals but at least they won five world championships in the same period. It's clear that balance can't be the reason, ZvP was a big offender for a while but Protoss players managed to lose many finals they could have won and that they are favourite in. I'm a little disheartened, I was seeing a Protoss eventually winning Code S after Trap was up 3-0. All of their best players save Trap and sOs are in the military. The reason Maru can remain so dominant is because he's the youngest player in the tournament because he's been playing professionally since he was goddamn 12. lol. And as everyone must be aware there is not a lot of upcoming young talent in Korea these days for SC2 so it's unlikely any new Clems or Reynors are gonna show up. We'll have to look to the foreign scene for that. In the meantime put your faith in Trap or don't, and then wait for Classic, herO and Stats to get back from the military. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 29 2021 23:07 Vindicare605 wrote: All of their best players save Trap and sOs are in the military. The reason Maru can remain so dominant is because he's the youngest player in the tournament because he's been playing professionally since he was goddamn 12. lol. And as everyone must be aware there is not a lot of upcoming young talent in Korea these days for SC2 so it's unlikely any new Clems or Reynors are gonna show up. We'll have to look to the foreign scene for that. In the meantime put your faith in Trap or don't, and then wait for Classic, herO and Stats to get back from the military. The Protoss players you are speaking of are the same who have been collectively unable to win the titles I am speaking of: here's a list of who lost at Katowice(2xStats,2xZest,Classic), at BlizzCon(Stats) and in Code S(2xStats,2xTrap,sOs,Zest,Classic) in the last four years. The same players who carried the flag of Aiur in HoTS(with Stats replacing Rain) failed to do so during LoTV. Trap is of course the biggest hope, he has everything to win a Code S; maybe Zoun can improve further and maybe among the young foreign Protoss there is the future savior of the race(MaxPax seems the most promising right now) but I really don't know what's needed to see Protoss triumph again at the highest level, the meta seems favorable right at the moment(like it was in 2018 but Maru and Serral are less scary than they were). Also Maru definitely didn't "remain dominant", he seems to be enjoying a resurgence this year; he never ceased to be a top player but he was very far from his apex. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 29 2021 23:34 Xain0n wrote: Also Maru definitely didn't "remain dominant", he seems to be enjoying a resurgence this year; he never ceased to be a top player but he was very far from his apex. Last year Maru won a ST, KoB, get to the Final of GSL code S, Asus RoG and top 4 in TSL 6. Other than TY and Rogue, I dont see any Korean had a more successful year than him. And that was him having a bad shoulder throughout the year. Meawhile, Serral, who has not won a mega big tournament since winning the Blizzcon in 2018, also fell off from his throne but nobody really feel he was out of it. I would love to see a Grand Finals match up with between these 2 in some global events this year, after dropping all the new competitors, and light up that hype among the fans. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 00:13 tigera6 wrote: Last year Maru won a ST, KoB, get to the Final of GSL code S, Asus RoG and top 4 in TSL 6. Other than TY and Rogue, I dont see any Korean had a more successful year than him. And that was him having a bad shoulder throughout the year. Meawhile, Serral, who has not won a mega big tournament since winning the Blizzcon in 2018, also fell off from his throne but nobody really feel he was out of it. I would love to see a Grand Finals match up with between these 2 in some global events this year, after dropping all the new competitors, and light up that hype among the fans. And you would call that "dominance"? I'm bored of listing Serral's accomplishements in 2019 but there were plenty of reasons for considering him overall the best in the world, or at least the player who had the highest chance of winning any tournament he would have entered. Serral was not dominant in 2020 despite still being at the very top, I disagree on the fact nobody recognized that. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 00:37 Xain0n wrote: And you would call that "dominance"? I'm bored of listing Serral's accomplishements in 2019 but there were plenty of reasons for considering him overall the best in the world, or at least the player who had the highest chance of winning any tournament he would have entered. Serral was not dominant in 2020 despite still being at the very top, I disagree on the fact nobody recognized that. 2020 was not a "dominant" year by anyone, and there were several players who could get the title best player of the year at the IEM. But it was definitely NOT Serral "at the very top", no matter how you want to spin it yourself. Did he win the most title? Wont the most tournament? The answer is No and No. While its simply being a hater to say Serral washed up, he was NOT even close to what he did in 2018, or even 2019. I would give you 2019 Serral as the best player because of the overall "body of work", but his achievement was starting to fell down a small bit, did not win WESG, IEM and Blizzcon in 2019. Yet you acting like he was still as dominant in 2019 and refuse to see the downward trend is puzzling to me. | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
On April 30 2021 00:37 Xain0n wrote: And you would call that "dominance"? I'm bored of listing Serral's accomplishements in 2019 but there were plenty of reasons for considering him overall the best in the world, or at least the player who had the highest chance of winning any tournament he would have entered. Serral was not dominant in 2020 despite still being at the very top, I disagree on the fact nobody recognized that. Among the koreans players, Rogue won 200k+$ in 2020 with the big IEM win, TY dominated Code S in KR tournaments and won 85k$, while Maru was a close 3rd with 80k$ from the aforementioned tournaments and GSL results. It's obviously not 2018 level domination, but still a dominant year compared to other koreans. Zest also made nice bucks with his IEM 2nd place, and won 101k$ in 2020. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Trap is up 3-0 and there's an hour+ remaining "He's gonna get reverse swept, isn't he?" Trap gets reverse swept | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 00:46 tigera6 wrote: 2020 was not a "dominant" year by anyone, and there were several players who could get the title best player of the year at the IEM. But it was definitely NOT Serral "at the very top", no matter how you want to spin it yourself. Did he win the most title? Wont the most tournament? The answer is No and No. While its simply being a hater to say Serral washed up, he was NOT even close to what he did in 2018, or even 2019. I would give you 2019 Serral as the best player because of the overall "body of work", but his achievement was starting to fell down a small bit, did not win WESG, IEM and Blizzcon in 2019. Yet you acting like he was still as dominant in 2019 and refuse to see the downward trend is puzzling to me. It's pretty clear, and I have said that many times, that Serral in 2018(post ascension) was an untouchable god, that he became "just" the best in the world in 2019(exactly as you are saying) and he downgraded to "just" one of the strongest players around in 2020(which he still is in 2021 with the difference that he hasn't won anything this year). I perfectly agree, nobody was dominant in 2020 and when I say "at the very top" I mean "one of the players who could have been the best if there really was one". Serral's downward trend seems to be real but it is has been so slow and it started from such an unbelievable apex that he still always is to be considered a championship contender; there isn't any apparent reason for which he should go further and stop being competitive, I'd expect to see him win other titles before he decides to retire. You guys must really love when I write about Serral, it seems I'm being being dragged into discussions about his accomplishments or current level regardless of the original topic. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote: It's pretty clear, and I have said that many times, that Serral in 2018(post ascension) was an untouchable god, that he became "just" the best in the world in 2019(exactly as you are saying) and he downgraded to "just" one of the strongest players around in 2020(which he still is in 2021 with the difference that he hasn't won anything this year). I perfectly agree, nobody was dominant in 2020 and when I say "at the very top" I mean "one of the players who could have been the best if there really was one". Serral's downward trend seems to be real but it is has been so slow and it started from such an unbelievable apex that he still always is to be considered a championship contender; there isn't any apparent reason for which he should go further and stop being competitive, I'd expect to see him win other titles before he decides to retire. You guys must really love when I write about Serral, it seems I'm being being dragged into discussions about his accomplishments or current level regardless of the original topic. To be honest, we are very much on the same page after everything is cleared up. Its always good to discuss about stuff that we are passionate about, which is SC2 esport scence. As long as its not becoming toxic and offensive, I actually enjoy it. And like I said, I would love to see a Maru vs Serral in a Grand Final of a global tournament this year, the hype on it would be unbelievable. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 30 2021 01:33 tigera6 wrote: To be honest, we are very much on the same page after everything is cleared up. Its always good to discuss about stuff that we are passionate about, which is SC2 esport scence. As long as its not becoming toxic and offensive, I actually enjoy it. And like I said, I would love to see a Maru vs Serral in a Grand Final of a global tournament this year, the hype on it would be unbelievable. At this point I think we should hold back the Maru-Serral final for Katowice 2022-23. It would be a nice way to end this competitive cycle with it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 30 2021 01:47 Nakajin wrote: At this point I think we should hold back the Maru-Serral final for Katowice 2022-23. It would be a nice way to end this competitive cycle with it. Only if it's online, otherwise it will be meh. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 01:52 deacon.frost wrote: Only if it's online, otherwise it will be meh. Yeah, I dont want ESL to cut the prizepool in half again, only to give it to every region but Korea. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 01:33 tigera6 wrote: To be honest, we are very much on the same page after everything is cleared up. Its always good to discuss about stuff that we are passionate about, which is SC2 esport scence. As long as its not becoming toxic and offensive, I actually enjoy it. And like I said, I would love to see a Maru vs Serral in a Grand Final of a global tournament this year, the hype on it would be unbelievable. Under these conditions, discussions are indeed enjoyable; couldn't say they always are on this forum. I would personally prefer to see new players rise instead of having another 2018; however, seeing Maru's shape and Serral's amazing consistency in international tournaments we could have a Maru-Serral final already next month. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24208 Posts
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 30 2021 05:27 Obamarauder wrote: Whys maru vs serral still a thing? serral will rip apart maru in a bo5/bo7. thats just a fact and it has happened before. only clem or cure can take on serral in tvz. maru is probably overall still best terran if u consider other matchups and his lategame, but this maru vs serral crap needs to stop See, I think that offline Maru will win 4:0, 4:1 if he's gonna meme. Aaaaaaand that's why we should leave Serral out of Code S. He doesn't play in it, no reason to mention him. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1691 Posts
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iloveoof
12 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 30 2021 05:27 Obamarauder wrote: Whys maru vs serral still a thing? serral will rip apart maru in a bo5/bo7. thats just a fact and it has happened before. only clem or cure can take on serral in tvz. maru is probably overall still best terran if u consider other matchups and his lategame, but this maru vs serral crap needs to stop Because it's Xainon, he has to make EVERY thread about Serral. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 08:14 Vindicare605 wrote: Because it's Xainon, he has to make EVERY thread about Serral. Are you for real? Did you even care to read how the conversation in this thread evolved? Not only I wasn't the one mentioning Serral first this time, I have also never been especially interested in who would win between Serral and Maru; since you guys brought out the topic, however, I'll inform you that I think Serral's style would give him an advantage over Maru considering how the latter likes to play TvZ at the moment. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On April 30 2021 08:32 Xain0n wrote: Are you for real? Did you even care to read how the conversation in this thread evolved? Not only I wasn't the one mentioning Serral first this time, I have also never been especially interested in who would win between Serral and Maru; since you guys brought out the topic, however, I'll inform you that I think Serral's style would give him an advantage over Maru considering how the latter likes to play TvZ at the moment. You quoted me when I talked about the Protoss players in the military and brought up Serral. Jeez man, sometimes I wonder if you ever think about what you write before or after you do it. Seriously, go back and read. I just did. I didn't mention Serral once in my post but you had to. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 05:27 Obamarauder wrote: Whys maru vs serral still a thing? serral will rip apart maru in a bo5/bo7. thats just a fact and it has happened before. only clem or cure can take on serral in tvz. maru is probably overall still best terran if u consider other matchups and his lategame, but this maru vs serral crap needs to stop Not sure where you get your "fact" from? Last time they played it was a Bo3 and Serral won 2-1 and it was an epic match. Then, Maru was literrally 1 game away, or 1 miss Infestor Fungal shot away, from beating the World Champ Reynor in IEM, and yet you think it would be a mis-match against Serral? You will have your point if Rogue turn up and 4-0 or 4-1 Maru next week, but to say such thing now is just plain silly. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 06:51 iloveoof wrote: This was really not a great series. Perhaps one of the least fun 7-game series in a long time. The players played great of course, but there was not a single midgame in the series where the players were on even footing. Each game was lost either to a single mistake that is not fun for the viewers (running into a stasis ward, losing 15 workers to 2 hellions, losing 3 DTs to one scan, or the unfortunate proxy stargate game's ending) or to a build order loss. The fact that a proxy stargate game was the most interesting one in the series pretty much says it all. This series felt more like Poker than Starcraft. Personally, I think it was Trap who wanted to make things weird first. Apparently he had no interest in a long macro game and focus on getting the early damage with DT/Oracle and snowball into a mid-game push before Maru can expand into the 4th. Most of Maru stuff, other than the proxy, are standard Terran harrassment and Trap defended it fairy well other than that Helion bust. | ||
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Topin
Peru10081 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 10:28 Vindicare605 wrote: You quoted me when I talked about the Protoss players in the military and brought up Serral. Jeez man, sometimes I wonder if you ever think about what you write before or after you do it. Seriously, go back and read. I just did. I didn't mention Serral once in my post but you had to. I am not saying you did, I am saying that tigera, not me, made the discussion shift on Serral vs Maru(again); I indicated Serral and Maru on the fly as being the main reasons for Protoss not winning Code S or world championships in 2018, it was an incredibly marginal mention so while you are technically right, you are just seeing what you want to see here. On April 30 2021 11:00 tigera6 wrote: Not sure where you get your "fact" from? Last time they played it was a Bo3 and Serral won 2-1 and it was an epic match. Then, Maru was literrally 1 game away, or 1 miss Infestor Fungal shot away, from beating the World Champ Reynor in IEM, and yet you think it would be a mis-match against Serral? You will have your point if Rogue turn up and 4-0 or 4-1 Maru next week, but to say such thing now is just plain silly. The last time they played, Serral won 3-0. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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machinus
United States291 Posts
On April 30 2021 05:44 deacon.frost wrote: See, I think that offline Maru will win 4:0, 4:1 if he's gonna meme. Aaaaaaand that's why we should leave Serral out of Code S. He doesn't play in it, no reason to mention him. Maru could easily win. He beats insane Zergs in GSL. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 11:42 Xain0n wrote: The last time they played, Serral won 3-0. Right, totally missed that one. Maru did have that one terrible stretch, either due to shoulder pain or lack of interest. He was 0-3 by Rogue, 0-3 by Trap, 2-3 by Bunny before that. Luckily he picked himself up after that to pretty good form till now. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 30 2021 11:42 Xain0n wrote: The last time they played, Serral won 3-0. In a minor online event during a period where Maru was in the hospital 3x a week, not able to practice at all according to other players, and straight dropping out of events due to shoulder pain. Your mindless Serral arguments are really desperate sometimes. I'm not saying Maru would 100% beat Serral. It could go either way. But to count him out is just complete stupidity, no other way to put it. And someone actually said Clem and Cure are better TvZers than Maru? Bruh | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24208 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
But based of current styles, Serral seems to have trouble dealing with super aggressive micro heavy terrans like Clem or Cure. I think his style is quite good against Maru, so I would favor him there, despite Maru being a better TvZer than Clem or Cure overall. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Yes and no. The more hype goes into something the worse it can end up. | ||
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Niravroh
165 Posts
On April 30 2021 18:36 deacon.frost wrote: Yes and no. The more hype goes into something the worse it can end up. With Rogue especially. Don't get your hopes up. He feeds on it! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 30 2021 16:29 Fango wrote: In a minor online event during a period where Maru was in the hospital 3x a week, not able to practice at all according to other players, and straight dropping out of events due to shoulder pain. Your mindless Serral arguments are really desperate sometimes. I'm not saying Maru would 100% beat Serral. It could go either way. But to count him out is just complete stupidity, no other way to put it. And someone actually said Clem and Cure are better TvZers than Maru? Bruh It's not a "mindless Serral argument", it's a remark; Tigera forgot that match existed. My opinion was expressed above, Serral should have the stylistic advantage; the head to head tells us that Maru has beaten Serral once, the usual sea of excuses tells us that Maru is superior by divine right. I haven't counted Maru out and would never, you shouldn't discard the fact that Clem's TvZ could be better. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Anyway. Trap deserved to lose. He had won right there that proxy tempest game and literally did the only thing that could have lost him the game. So sad. | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
Prediction Maru will win his 5th GSL title and cement himself as the best terran who played SC2. | ||
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tigera6
3408 Posts
On April 30 2021 19:56 Xain0n wrote: I haven't counted Maru out and would never, you shouldn't discard the fact that Clem's TvZ could be better. Clem TvZ is on another level, mainly beause of his godly micro. He would just force Zerg to trade unfavorably every single time, and taking down 2-3 more banes for each encounter than other Terran. That force Zerg into over-making units into more banes, and cant expand or macro like they could in other TvZ matchups. Serral and Reynor will have to do some serious reseach and practice to figure out how to deal with this. I personally believe going with Roach Ravager and transition into Lurker Hydra could be a way do deal with it. The problem is transitioning from Roach Ravager into Lurker Hydra isnt effective, and you can get killed before enough Lurker coming out. Maru TvZ is so much about how turtle and clean he can defend, forcing Zerg trading badly into well-setup defense. Its a much boring style and would take all the games into lategame. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
I could see that being the worst GSL Finals of all time, and I‘m not even kidding. With those two, there‘s the chance that one of them just goes for some cheeky early game bullshit 4 times in a row and either crushed the opponent 4 times in a row or dies trying 4 times in a row. I hope I‘m wrong, but I wouldn‘t be too surprised, to be honest. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On May 01 2021 02:09 tigera6 wrote: Clem TvZ is on another level, mainly beause of his godly micro. He would just force Zerg to trade unfavorably every single time, and taking down 2-3 more banes for each encounter than other Terran. That force Zerg into over-making units into more banes, and cant expand or macro like they could in other TvZ matchups. Serral and Reynor will have to do some serious reseach and practice to figure out how to deal with this. I personally believe going with Roach Ravager and transition into Lurker Hydra could be a way do deal with it. The problem is transitioning from Roach Ravager into Lurker Hydra isnt effective, and you can get killed before enough Lurker coming out. Maru TvZ is so much about how turtle and clean he can defend, forcing Zerg trading badly into well-setup defense. Its a much boring style and would take all the games into lategame. Maru only does that super passive style every game in high ping matches. He mixes it up a lot more against Korean Zergs. He still plays it but it's not every time. Maru's micro is just as good as Clem's. | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
On May 01 2021 05:46 JJH777 wrote: Maru only does that super passive style every game in high ping matches. He mixes it up a lot more against Korean Zergs. He still plays it but it's not every time. Maru's micro is just as good as Clem's. I would say his micro is even better than Clem, but you don’t get to see it against Reynor / Serral because of ping (he still has absurd army control in those games), whereas Clem plays these two with equal and low ping. His style was developed with the shoulder issue and is also good indeed for the high ping games, but he can play ByuN style games just as well. Edit: probably same as Clem in marine / bio micro, but better with ghost / late game army | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25561 Posts
On May 01 2021 07:18 geokilla wrote: Trap choked harder than Squirtle He choked on match point the first time by not getting his air fleet into battery range, other games he closed out well or wasn’t quite on it and Maru was. Last game he just missed the scout, happens. Squirtle defended Mvp’s gambit, then lost from a fantastic position. Dream choked the last set against Rogue, but both Trap and Dream showed up and put out some good sets. I mean I do love Trap so I’m a tad biased perhaps. To take out Maru he both needed his openers to compare favourably, and play the games out well. First 3 games he got both of those things, next 4 he generally lacked a favourable opener. If Trap and Maru had merely exchanged wins into a decider I don’t think people would be talking about a choke from Trap. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
The former may push the player to start back at square one and play more 'freely' in future. While the second may trap the player into false comfort zone of 'I-just-need-to-make-incremental-changes' (the Kong zone). | ||
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LemonyTang
United Kingdom428 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On May 01 2021 06:09 Poopi wrote: I would say his micro is even better than Clem, but you don’t get to see it against Reynor / Serral because of ping (he still has absurd army control in those games), whereas Clem plays these two with equal and low ping. His style was developed with the shoulder issue and is also good indeed for the high ping games, but he can play ByuN style games just as well. Edit: probably same as Clem in marine / bio micro, but better with ghost / late game army I just find much more impressive than Maru, forced by his injured, was able to develop such a different way of playing a matchup as deadly as his previous multiprong style. No other elite player as undergo such a radical change and maintain the level of play. This just shows how deeply maru knows SC2. Another argument for this is his capacity to recover from a fail a 2 rax proxy, navigate the mid game cutting enough corners to keep himself alive and creep back into the game to finally win it in late. Just incredible. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 01 2021 19:48 Argonauta wrote: I just find much more impressive than Maru, forced by his injured, was able to develop such a different way of playing a matchup as deadly as his previous multiprong style. No other elite player as undergo such a radical change and maintain the level of play. This just shows how deeply maru knows SC2. Another argument for this is his capacity to recover from a fail a 2 rax proxy, navigate the mid game cutting enough corners to keep himself alive and creep back into the game to finally win it in late. Just incredible. I guess you don't remember a certain player called Mvp. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On April 30 2021 16:29 Fango wrote: In a minor online event during a period where Maru was in the hospital 3x a week, not able to practice at all according to other players, and straight dropping out of events due to shoulder pain. Your mindless Serral arguments are really desperate sometimes. I'm not saying Maru would 100% beat Serral. It could go either way. But to count him out is just complete stupidity, no other way to put it. And someone actually said Clem and Cure are better TvZers than Maru? Bruh There is a grain of truth in there. If I had to bet on one Terran beating Serral in a BO3 or BO5, it'd be Clem. For whatever reason, he seems to be the only Terran who consistently stretches or beats Serral in tournaments. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On May 01 2021 20:17 Xain0n wrote: I guess you don't remember a certain player called Mvp. No, I start watching SC2 in 2015. I tried to watch some vods from WOL even back then, but the game has matured and change so much, I cant imagine trying to watch them now, the level of play is much higher nowadays. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 01 2021 20:23 tskarzyn wrote: There is a grain of truth in there. If I had to bet on one Terran beating Serral in a BO3 or BO5, it'd be Clem. For whatever reason, he seems to be the only Terran who consistently stretches or beats Serral in tournaments. Because he's the only high level terran who consistently plays Serral. They've played 15 matches seen the start of 2020 and it's 8-7 (53%) in favour of Clem. If Maru played that many home server matches against Serral he probably wins at least half of them as well. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 03 2021 02:19 Fango wrote: Because he's the only high level terran who consistently plays Serral. They've played 15 matches seen the start of 2020 and it's 8-7 (53%) in favour of Clem. If Maru played that many home server matches against Serral he probably wins at least half of them as well. Maybe, but I think Clem tvz is better, he seems to really have a grasp on the matchup atm, he kind of rolled on Dark and Rogue. Maru late game is probably better but it's kind of reliant on the maps he get and most of his build turn around getting a good opening, it's been a while since I saw someone play straight up tvz just pulling out safe build over and over and beating every zerg. He seems to be getting better the more he play against someone too, and that's usually a good bet that he understand what's going on. His tvp is lacking though. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25561 Posts
On May 03 2021 08:03 Nakajin wrote: Maybe, but I think Clem tvz is better, he seems to really have a grasp on the matchup atm, he kind of rolled on Dark and Rogue. Maru late game is probably better but it's kind of reliant on the maps he get and most of his build turn around getting a good opening, it's been a while since I saw someone play straight up tvz just pulling out safe build over and over and beating every zerg. He seems to be getting better the more he play against someone too, and that's usually a good bet that he understand what's going on. His tvp is lacking though. I think we’ll get a better gauge when offline tournaments are more common, whenever that may be. Some of it could be stylistic, Clem seems better at a real in your face aggressive pushing style, Maru’s more defensive and techy approach he’s in a class of his own at. I’m unsure which is better as an approach, or who’s better at the matchup overall. Something tells me that Serral’s strengths would be ideally suited to cracking the Maru nut, but he’s been consistently vulnerable to Clem’s devastating parades. Reynor seems better matched against Clem than Serral, not as good against Maru’s (yes he beat him at Blizzcon, but some games he looked a bit lost) Be interesting to see how things develop anyway | ||
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