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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-05 11:34:37
April 01 2021 14:16 GMT
#1

World Team League 2021 Summer


Friday, Apr 02 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
Saturday, Apr 03 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
Sunday, Apr 04 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)World Team League/2021/Summer/Regular Season

Streams


cn SCBoy | uk WardiTV | uk CreightonOlsen
kr CrankTV | fr Legendk


Format


  • Proleague Format
  • 3 sets of Bo2
  • Bo1 ace match if needed
      Points distribution:
  • 3 points for a regular win
  • 2 points for an ace match win
  • 1 point for an ace match loss

Maps

      In each Bo2:
  • Map 1 is picked by the organisers
  • Map 2 is picked by the loser of map 1

      In case of an ace match:
  • Map picked by the organisers

      This week's organisers' picks are:
      Match 1: (Wiki)Pillars of Gold
      Match 2: (Wiki)Romanticide
      Match 3: (Wiki)Submarine
      Ace match: (Wiki)Oxide

Week 2



Invictus Gaming vs Good Game Gaming
(P)MacSed vs (T)Dream
(T)Coffee vs (P)Cyan
(T)XY vs (P)Patience

KaiZi Gaming vs Shopify Rebellion
(T)INnoVation vs (Z)Scarlett
(Z)Solar vs (Z)Lambo
(T)TIME vs (T)ByuN

Team LaoPaoer vs Team NV
(Z)wanted vs (P)sOs
Alka vs (T)Maru
(P)Jieshi vs (T)Percival

Team eXoN vs Afreeca Freecs
MaxPax vs (Z)Armani
(P)Nina vs (P)Trap
(T)SpeCial vs (P)Stats

Team GP vs Alpha X
(T)NaTuRal vs (Z)RagnaroK
(P)Prince vs (P)Nice
(T)Ryung vs (P)Zoun

Dragon Pheonix Gaming vs Team Liquid
(Z)Rogue vs (T)Clem
(Z)Dark vs (P)Harstem
(T)Cure vs (T)Kelazhur


Standings


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"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-01 14:21:50
April 01 2021 14:17 GMT
#2
Poll: Invictus Gaming vs Good Game Gaming winner?

Good Game Gaming (9)
 
75%

Invictus Gaming (3)
 
25%

12 total votes

Your vote: Invictus Gaming vs Good Game Gaming winner?

(Vote): Invictus Gaming
(Vote): Good Game Gaming



Poll: KaiZi Gaming vs Shopify Rebellion winner?

KaiZi Gaming (9)
 
64%

Shopify Rebellion (5)
 
36%

14 total votes

Your vote: KaiZi Gaming vs Shopify Rebellion winner?

(Vote): KaiZi Gaming
(Vote): Shopify Rebellion



Poll: Team LaoPaoer vs Team NV winner?

Team NV (14)
 
100%

Team LaoPaoer (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Team LaoPaoer vs Team NV winner?

(Vote): Team LaoPaoer
(Vote): Team NV



Poll: Team eXoN vs Afreeca Freecs winner?

Afreeca Freecs (8)
 
80%

Team eXoN (2)
 
20%

10 total votes

Your vote: Team eXoN vs Afreeca Freecs winner?

(Vote): Team eXoN
(Vote): Afreeca Freecs



Poll: Team GP vs Alpha X winner?

Alpha X (8)
 
80%

Team GP (2)
 
20%

10 total votes

Your vote: Team GP vs Alpha X winner?

(Vote): Team GP
(Vote): Alpha X



Poll: Dragon Pheonix Gaming vs Team Liquid winner?

Dragon Pheonix Gaming (7)
 
64%

Team Liquid (4)
 
36%

11 total votes

Your vote: Dragon Pheonix Gaming vs Team Liquid winner?

(Vote): Dragon Pheonix Gaming
(Vote): Team Liquid


"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
April 01 2021 21:23 GMT
#3
I want close matches, but this outcome seems likely to me:

iG 0 : 6 GGG
KaiZi 5 : 1 Rebellion
LP 0 : 6 NV
eXoN 1 : 5 Freecs
GP 0 : 6 Alpha X
DPG 5 : 1 Liquid
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 02 2021 11:06 GMT
#4
We're live! Go China
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 12:36 GMT
#5
Scarlett vs Inno games basically always go the same way
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-02 12:37:29
April 02 2021 12:36 GMT
#6
On April 02 2021 21:36 Elentos wrote:
Scarlett vs Inno games basically always go the same way


In that Scarlett wins them 79% of the time?

(79 was the number right?)
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 12:37 GMT
#7
On April 02 2021 21:36 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2021 21:36 Elentos wrote:
Scarlett vs Inno games basically always go the same way


In that Scarlett wins them 79% of the time?

But only when nobody is looking
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 12:47 GMT
#8
36 kill widow mine hot dang
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 02 2021 12:51 GMT
#9
On April 02 2021 21:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2021 21:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 02 2021 21:36 Elentos wrote:
Scarlett vs Inno games basically always go the same way


In that Scarlett wins them 79% of the time?

But only when nobody is looking

Maybe she's a practice bonjwa like Hush
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 12:51 GMT
#10
On April 02 2021 21:51 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2021 21:37 Elentos wrote:
On April 02 2021 21:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 02 2021 21:36 Elentos wrote:
Scarlett vs Inno games basically always go the same way


In that Scarlett wins them 79% of the time?

But only when nobody is looking

Maybe she's a practice bonjwa like Hush

Excuse you it's ViViD now
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 02 2021 12:53 GMT
#11
On April 02 2021 21:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2021 21:51 Durnuu wrote:
On April 02 2021 21:37 Elentos wrote:
On April 02 2021 21:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 02 2021 21:36 Elentos wrote:
Scarlett vs Inno games basically always go the same way


In that Scarlett wins them 79% of the time?

But only when nobody is looking

Maybe she's a practice bonjwa like Hush

Excuse you it's ViViD now

I refuse to write the awful caps
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 13:02 GMT
#12
Lambo walking the walk
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 02 2021 13:04 GMT
#13
Lambo is kinda like an LR anti-hero
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
April 02 2021 13:07 GMT
#14
Lambo showing the EU ZvZ superiority himself!
WriterMaru
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
April 02 2021 13:11 GMT
#15
2-base all-in from Solar?
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 13:14 GMT
#16
Please ace match
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 02 2021 13:19 GMT
#17
Lambro 4-0, amazing!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 13:39 GMT
#18
Wardi's sanity dwindles with every passing moment he spends watching Chinese ads
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 02 2021 13:42 GMT
#19
No hexagons for the ace match, hype is dead
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
April 02 2021 13:48 GMT
#20
ByuN falling back on his Prime roots to lessen the impact of his injury through shorter games.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 02 2021 13:51 GMT
#21
Finally some upset potential in the WTL
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
April 02 2021 13:59 GMT
#22
Machine looking sharp today.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
April 02 2021 14:00 GMT
#23
what a throw...
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 02 2021 14:09 GMT
#24
Always good to see Lü Bu do well in a Chinese league.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-02 21:37:44
April 02 2021 21:37 GMT
#25
What kind of a week do you guys think Alka has been having?
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 03 2021 11:30 GMT
#26
On April 03 2021 06:37 Circumstance wrote:
What kind of a week do you guys think Alka has been having?

A small hexagon kind of week.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 03 2021 11:38 GMT
#27
I think if I were in Alka's shoes I'd just do some really rancid one base cheese because victory is a 0 % chance once both players expand.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 03 2021 11:53 GMT
#28
I think Alka played better than expected? I can see him taking B tier players honestly. Versus Maru of course, there was 0 chance.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-03 12:18:29
April 03 2021 12:17 GMT
#29
LP is on track to a 0-36 record considering their match schedule (DPG, AF, TL, Shopify).
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 03 2021 12:17 GMT
#30
LP isn't gonna get many better chances than Jieshi vs Percival to take even individual games against top teams of the league. That was a waste.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 03 2021 12:25 GMT
#31
eXon - Freecs might go to ace or could be a total stomp, who is to say?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-03 12:43:05
April 03 2021 12:40 GMT
#32
This game is nobody's finest hour

E: Oh god why would you ever recall in that situation
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
April 03 2021 12:55 GMT
#33
On April 03 2021 21:40 Elentos wrote:
This game is nobody's finest hour

E: Oh god why would you ever recall in that situation


Don't worry, they'll take a hexagon point off his game sense for that one.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
April 03 2021 12:58 GMT
#34
Game 1: Armani isn't prepared, MaxPax takes a lead, and then dies to lings.
Game 1: Armani isn't prepared, MaxPax takes a lead, and then (possibly) dies to lings?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 03 2021 13:09 GMT
#35
This bo2 is a disaster I simply can't look away from
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
April 03 2021 13:11 GMT
#36
On April 03 2021 22:09 Elentos wrote:
This bo2 is a disaster I simply can't look away from

Sleep vs Blaze: 2021 edition
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
April 03 2021 13:12 GMT
#37
Armani doesn't really seem to be very good at these engagements.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
April 03 2021 13:12 GMT
#38
On April 03 2021 22:12 darklycid wrote:
Armani doesn't really seem to be very good at these engagements.

Good thing it's the same for MaxPax.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 03 2021 13:16 GMT
#39
On April 03 2021 22:11 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2021 22:09 Elentos wrote:
This bo2 is a disaster I simply can't look away from

Sleep vs Blaze: 2021 edition

Yikes
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
April 03 2021 13:45 GMT
#40
lol Trap laughing into the camera after that.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 12:49 GMT
#41
Nicely done Ryung!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
April 04 2021 12:49 GMT
#42
Ryung somehow looking pretty damn good??
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
April 04 2021 13:26 GMT
#43
Clem the boss!
Clément 화이팅
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 13:30 GMT
#44
Finally, Dark's hexagon... is the same as Maru's?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 13:43 GMT
#45
Dark has a better green screen than IEM Katowice
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 04 2021 13:44 GMT
#46
The choice to go late after getting such a successful opening is a disastrous one.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 13:53 GMT
#47
Welcome to the adrenal before ling speed meta
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheCheapSkate
Profile Joined August 2011
Slovenia317 Posts
April 04 2021 14:16 GMT
#48
Wtf is harstem doing? Why isnt he moving his army??
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 14:22 GMT
#49
On April 04 2021 23:16 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Wtf is harstem doing? Why isnt he moving his army??

This is the only way he can win. By getting Dark to lose his entire army over static defense.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KLKL
Profile Joined March 2021
8 Posts
April 04 2021 14:22 GMT
#50
At what point does a referee stop this if Harstem doesn't GG?
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 04 2021 14:27 GMT
#51
That game started with a cannon rush killing the natural. It shouldn't have lasted ten minutes.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
TheCheapSkate
Profile Joined August 2011
Slovenia317 Posts
April 04 2021 14:29 GMT
#52
Harstem had like three different opportunities to just amove and finish the game but he chose to be passive and will now lose.. i just dont understand why protosses play like that, it's the same with Showtime.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 04 2021 14:40 GMT
#53
Now THAT is learning from your mistakes.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 04 2021 14:45 GMT
#54
On April 04 2021 23:40 Circumstance wrote:
Now THAT is learning from your mistakes.


Agreed, I wonder if Zest is awake to come out vs Clem in the ace
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33587 Posts
April 04 2021 15:19 GMT
#55
TvT pretty good ;0
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 15:20 GMT
#56
Oh Kelazhur
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 04 2021 15:21 GMT
#57
good game
The Bomber boy
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 15:40 GMT
#58
Dark's patented Zerg mech
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 15:45 GMT
#59
I don't see what good reason Dark possibly could have had to sack his entire army between Clem's bases.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
April 04 2021 15:47 GMT
#60
Who knows... gg Liquid!
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
April 04 2021 15:47 GMT
#61
This result could shake things up a bit going down the road, good stuff.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
lepricon1992
Profile Joined July 2019
105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-04 16:15:00
April 04 2021 15:52 GMT
#62
Finally Zest's absence costs them the points
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 04 2021 16:07 GMT
#63
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 16:18 GMT
#64
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 04 2021 16:34 GMT
#65
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


I am quite sure Dark was confident but I wasn't personally convinced, not the right map imho.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 04 2021 16:35 GMT
#66
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-04 16:50:21
April 04 2021 16:47 GMT
#67
On April 05 2021 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.

You can field Players for Ace that didn t Play the regular matches.
it happened in previous CTC matches as well.

E.: example
Week 5, Team GP vs Jin Air Green Wings
(Wiki)Gold Series Team Championship/2020/Fall/Regular Season
MaxPax
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 16:47 GMT
#68
On April 05 2021 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.

Are you sure? That's never been the rule in previous seasons.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lepricon1992
Profile Joined July 2019
105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-04 17:02:22
April 04 2021 16:57 GMT
#69
On April 05 2021 01:47 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.

Are you sure? That's never been the rule in previous seasons.


He's right, that is allowed.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
April 04 2021 17:00 GMT
#70
On April 05 2021 01:57 lepricon1992 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:47 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.

Are you sure? That's never been the rule in previous seasons.


He's right, that is allowed. The only problem is that they were too confident to give zest a holiday for someone's funeral.

In my mind that's more about decency than confidence.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lepricon1992
Profile Joined July 2019
105 Posts
April 04 2021 17:04 GMT
#71
On April 05 2021 02:00 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:57 lepricon1992 wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:47 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.

Are you sure? That's never been the rule in previous seasons.


He's right, that is allowed. The only problem is that they were too confident to give zest a holiday for someone's funeral.

In my mind that's more about decency than confidence.

Yeah you're right.My mistake for using a word like 'problem', it's just some kind of 'unlucky'.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 04 2021 17:09 GMT
#72
On April 05 2021 01:57 lepricon1992 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2021 01:47 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On April 05 2021 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Awesome performance by Team Liquid, Kela really had the chance of taking DPG down with that push but we would have been denied the ace match!
Sending Dark on Oxide against Clem was a very bad idea, I was expecting Cure.

Since Cure should have lost Oxide to Kelazhur he probably didn't like his odds against Clem. I think Dark could have been a fine choice if he played a better game than he did (he made some really weird decisions). Best choice probably would have been Zest but seems like Zest just wasn't available today.


You can't send someone who didn't play as Ace. In the end it's Dark fault he should have beaten Harstem.

Are you sure? That's never been the rule in previous seasons.


He's right, that is allowed.


God damit, that's what I get for trusting Twitch chat
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pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States282 Posts
April 04 2021 20:05 GMT
#73
https://www.scboy.com/?thread-223892.htm
Of course Zest is better against Clem. But according to EnChant (DPG's captain), they thought Liquid may field Mana and hastem, so they give Zest a vacation because his unstable PvP performance. Then Zest went to one of his friend's funeral.
keaneu
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)65 Posts
April 04 2021 22:16 GMT
#74
More like tomb sweeping at night.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
April 05 2021 01:31 GMT
#75
oh hey, this is finally on https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=690 nice
"Expert" mods4ever.com
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3482 Posts
April 05 2021 03:32 GMT
#76
Its all down to matchup, and Zest is the best matchup against Clem, so keeping him around for a potential Ace match would be great. Also, had the fight order changed to Dark vs Clem and Rogue vs Harstem, it probably wouldnt come down to an Ace match anyway. There is a good chance Dark can get a game from Clem, and I dont see Harstem can fight Rogue the way he did against Dark.
KLKL
Profile Joined March 2021
8 Posts
April 05 2021 15:39 GMT
#77
IIRC, odds were 1.10 for DPG. Clem upset the bookmakers, almost singlehandedly. I'm interested to see how this will be reflected when odds for the next Liquid game are up. I'm not sure how they weight results history against how much people are actually betting, but they made a killing off of that match for sure.

If the matches are being played on the China server, does anyone know where it is actually located? For an EU vs KR game played on the CN server, what would the ping difference look like?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
April 05 2021 15:51 GMT
#78
On April 06 2021 00:39 KLKL wrote:
IIRC, odds were 1.10 for DPG. Clem upset the bookmakers, almost singlehandedly. I'm interested to see how this will be reflected when odds for the next Liquid game are up. I'm not sure how they weight results history against how much people are actually betting, but they made a killing off of that match for sure.

If the matches are being played on the China server, does anyone know where it is actually located? For an EU vs KR game played on the CN server, what would the ping difference look like?

They are 100% not playing on Chinese server, as you cant even enter that server from outside china.
So they probably play on NA west or NA central, just like ESL.

As they organisers explicitly opened up the cup to international teams with droping the chinese player rule anything else wouldn t make sense anyways
MaxPax
KLKL
Profile Joined March 2021
8 Posts
April 05 2021 16:14 GMT
#79
On April 06 2021 00:51 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2021 00:39 KLKL wrote:
IIRC, odds were 1.10 for DPG. Clem upset the bookmakers, almost singlehandedly. I'm interested to see how this will be reflected when odds for the next Liquid game are up. I'm not sure how they weight results history against how much people are actually betting, but they made a killing off of that match for sure.

If the matches are being played on the China server, does anyone know where it is actually located? For an EU vs KR game played on the CN server, what would the ping difference look like?

They are 100% not playing on Chinese server, as you cant even enter that server from outside china.
So they probably play on NA west or NA central, just like ESL.

As they organisers explicitly opened up the cup to international teams with droping the chinese player rule anything else wouldn t make sense anyways


If this is the case, why is the number 163 being censored through the Chinese observer client?
CreightonOlsen
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
United States366 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-05 18:00:28
April 05 2021 18:00 GMT
#80
On April 06 2021 01:14 KLKL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2021 00:51 dbRic1203 wrote:
On April 06 2021 00:39 KLKL wrote:
IIRC, odds were 1.10 for DPG. Clem upset the bookmakers, almost singlehandedly. I'm interested to see how this will be reflected when odds for the next Liquid game are up. I'm not sure how they weight results history against how much people are actually betting, but they made a killing off of that match for sure.

If the matches are being played on the China server, does anyone know where it is actually located? For an EU vs KR game played on the CN server, what would the ping difference look like?

They are 100% not playing on Chinese server, as you cant even enter that server from outside china.
So they probably play on NA west or NA central, just like ESL.

As they organisers explicitly opened up the cup to international teams with droping the chinese player rule anything else wouldn t make sense anyways


If this is the case, why is the number 163 being censored through the Chinese observer client?


1. Games are being played using "best server" rules, e.g. NA Central - NA West for a Bo2 with a EU and an KR player.

2. The numbers 163 and 173 are censored due to Netease's former branding in china as 163.com. "163" became synonymous with internet access, and the Chinese client censort it to prevent imposters pretending to be representatives of Netease. Much the same way you can't name yourself "BlizzSupport" or similar in-game.
https://www.twitch.tv/CreightonOlsen
KLKL
Profile Joined March 2021
8 Posts
April 05 2021 19:25 GMT
#81
On April 06 2021 03:00 CreightonOlsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2021 01:14 KLKL wrote:
On April 06 2021 00:51 dbRic1203 wrote:
On April 06 2021 00:39 KLKL wrote:
IIRC, odds were 1.10 for DPG. Clem upset the bookmakers, almost singlehandedly. I'm interested to see how this will be reflected when odds for the next Liquid game are up. I'm not sure how they weight results history against how much people are actually betting, but they made a killing off of that match for sure.

If the matches are being played on the China server, does anyone know where it is actually located? For an EU vs KR game played on the CN server, what would the ping difference look like?

They are 100% not playing on Chinese server, as you cant even enter that server from outside china.
So they probably play on NA west or NA central, just like ESL.

As they organisers explicitly opened up the cup to international teams with droping the chinese player rule anything else wouldn t make sense anyways


If this is the case, why is the number 163 being censored through the Chinese observer client?


1. Games are being played using "best server" rules, e.g. NA Central - NA West for a Bo2 with a EU and an KR player.

2. The numbers 163 and 173 are censored due to Netease's former branding in china as 163.com. "163" became synonymous with internet access, and the Chinese client censort it to prevent imposters pretending to be representatives of Netease. Much the same way you can't name yourself "BlizzSupport" or similar in-game.


Thank you very much. Keep up the great work!
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