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On August 30 2020 03:16 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2020 18:26 Slydie wrote:On August 29 2020 18:07 Poopi wrote:
Yeah what games are you referring to regarding lib use?
Predictable result but still a bit sad.
As for HeroMarine, he said libs are shit in TvP iirc. He opts for certain timing vs Protoss in tournaments since normal macro games don’t work according to him.
Ye, even with liberator and siege tank support, bio armies just can't move close enough to shoot without being blown up by fiery balls if the disruptor count is too high. Protoss players are getting too good at using disruptors, and there is no answer in sight. God level 3000apm splits?? Disable?? Go BCs and Yamato them?? Unfortunately, the best solution seems to be to do crippling damage with harassment or a pull-the-boyz timing. It's the same for toss, stalkers can't attack without being outranged by liberators/tanks. The MU is a position battle, and the faster usually win. And when Toss accumulates disruptors, you have to admit that they are kind of ahead and likely to win. But here, we have again some games where a Terran lost, and terran player who uses that as an opportunity to state "Terran is so weak, this Z/P strats is impossible to beat", even in games where the Protoss was a top Protoss star, and the Terran unknown.
Aren't you just admitting what OP is saying? He said that you need to hit early timings or harassment. If you have to admit that massing Disruptors means your opponent is ahead what other choice is there? It's not like they cost much or build slowly.
It's not necessarily balance whine if someone says 'you have to kill them early.' At least in most cases, we accept that certain match-ups are unfavorable in no rush macro situations.
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Heromarine is a notorious TvP balance whiner. I'd take anything he says about Protoss with a grain of salt.
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Solar vs Trap game 2
what if this is just... the meta now?
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On August 30 2020 08:44 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2020 00:40 BerserkSword wrote:On August 29 2020 16:30 Die4Ever wrote:On August 29 2020 16:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 29 2020 16:26 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 29 2020 16:25 seemsgood wrote:On August 29 2020 16:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
For two guys that know Starcraft so well, and have been playing it for 20 years, these guys know NOTHING about the lore. It's kind of infuriating. to them anything beyond brood war is non canon ;Ooo But Artosis doesn't even know that a Dragoon has a pilot. I mean for pete's sake Fenix was a Dragoon we had it explained to us in the campaign. If you're permanently stuck in the dragoon you're no longer a pilot, you're a cyborg. Also I somehow doubt they've played the campaign. mind=blown if a human lives in their car, and only gets food from drive-throughs... are they a cyborg? The human can potentially leave the car Dragoons are cyborgs. Hence the cybernetic core needed to build them The protoss can leave the Dragoon, he's just too crippled to do much. I think of Dragoons more as wheelchairs, because the Dragoon is never an actual part of the protoss' body, in contrast to Stalkers, who actually are fused into their robotic bodies.
Protoss stay inside the dragoon for life once inserted.
In a Dragoon, the Protoss literally controls the exoskeleton with psionic powers.
"The pilot's mind interfaced directly with the machine through mysterious essence translators with the use of the Khala.[6] The end result was that pilots controlled their exoskeletons as a natural extension of their bodies[2] using the walker's advanced hydraulic-psionic mobility systems. Once inside the core, the pilot would remain in the tank for the rest of their life"
https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Dragoon
That said, this wiki also describes them as pilots lol.
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On August 30 2020 12:34 Chemist391 wrote:
Heromarine is a notorious TvP balance whiner. I'd take anything he says about Protoss with a grain of salt.
He is, but he is also a great player, in the conversation for best foreign Terran, especially now when Special seems to have fall off a bit lately.
If you know a recent game a TvP on a good pro level where Terran shows off how to beat 5+ disruptors, I would love to watch it!
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How were the games overall? Was this group a good group? Always like to know whether to skim the matches if they're shit (aka last seasons finals) or if theyre awesome groups
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On August 31 2020 14:45 ShowTheLights wrote:
How were the games overall? Was this group a good group? Always like to know whether to skim the matches if they're shit (aka last seasons finals) or if theyre awesome groups
Don't watch Trap vs Spear except for game 1 of the rematch.
Trap vs Solar was alright.
Special vs Solar was good.
Special vs Spear was the best match of the night.
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On August 31 2020 14:57 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2020 14:45 ShowTheLights wrote:
How were the games overall? Was this group a good group? Always like to know whether to skim the matches if they're shit (aka last seasons finals) or if theyre awesome groups Don't watch Trap vs Spear except for game 1 of the rematch. Trap vs Solar was alright. Special vs Solar was good. Special vs Spear was the best match of the night.
thanks man appreciate this
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