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[GSL 2020] Code S - RO24 - Group A
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Poll: Who Advances? Trap & Solar (12) Trap & SpeCial (9) SpeCial & Solar (5) SpeCial & Spear (2) Solar & Spear (1) Spear & Trap (0) 29 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Trap & SpeCial | ||
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On August 29 2020 03:06 DieuCure wrote: It would be really funny if Spear qualified. It would be insane considering the talent in this group. Swap spear out with a better terran (Cure?) and this is a stacked ro16 group. | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:08 Circumstance wrote: Whoever took that promo photo of Special deserves a raise, he has never looked better. White's a good colour for him. | ||
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On August 29 2020 03:06 DieuCure wrote: It would be really funny if Spear qualified. spear ?? ;o who s dis guy ? | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:21 fastr wrote: Terrible play from start to finish, let's hope this was just nerves and game 2 looks a bit more competitive There weren't any big mistakes from Spear though so I'm not sure we can attribute this to nerves--Trap was just the better player every step of the way. Spear could still do well with a timing, but I don't think he's going to wow us by outmacroing Trap anytime soon. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 29 2020 13:22 Morbidius wrote: Artosis really overrates Terran. if only those 5 scvs were in the fight, Spear would've won | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:21 fastr wrote: Terrible play from start to finish, let's hope this was just nerves and game 2 looks a bit more competitive apparently not : ] | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Welcome to Code S Spear. how did this dude get in RO24 tho ? ;Oo | ||
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Die4Ever
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he beat Rookie and then Coca  Global StarCraft II League/2020/Season 3/Qualifier | ||
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Whatson
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online play =/= offline play and Trap is top 3 PvT in the world | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 29 2020 13:28 Die4Ever wrote: Trap chose Spear, right? I'm guessing Trap was the top seed outside of the seeded semifinals from last season No, the groups are seeded by GSL point ranking: ![[image loading]](http://stimg.afreecatv.com/NORMAL_BBS/3/9521573/63345f4090f89d372.png) | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:31 geokilla wrote: I think Code A used to be more competitive back in the day. Man how far Korea has fallen. absolutely, Code A used to be insane | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:30 Die4Ever wrote: he beat Rookie and then Coca https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Global_StarCraft_II_League/2020/Season_3/Qualifier#Day_2 and he effectively ended rookie's whole career as well.. | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:33 seemsgood wrote: and he effectively ended rookie's whole career as well.. Yeah it's tough. Rookie was generally speaking a stronger player than Spear too. | ||
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There was definitely a period of time when there were 40+ top players worthy of getting into Code S ro32 at any time. The Up/Down matches were ridiculous. | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:46 Whatson wrote: There was definitely a period of time when there were 40-50 top players worthy of getting into Code S ro32 at any time. The Up/Down matches were ridiculous. Up/Down matches is one format I haven't missed. | ||
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seemsgood
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give me moar map like this | ||
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fastr
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Glad to see a game 3 though | ||
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On August 29 2020 13:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Up/Down matches is one format I haven't missed. I don't remember how it worked. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:06 IndyO wrote: I mean atleast Solar's creep is slowed to heck Those 2 ghost ended up putting quite the work Still too little damage for the price | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Special play ghost/hellbat quite a bit when it was briefly popular in KR. Nice to see something similar again. it was cool tho :[[[ | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Five person bo1 round robin groups, and you got into a lot of messes where games mattered for one player but not the other. Really awkward especially if someone's eliminated and has to play a teammate that might be able to qualify. | ||
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I hope Special can still qualify through Spear+1 | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Five person bo1 round robin groups, and you got into a lot of messes where games mattered for one player but not the other. Really awkward especially if someone's eliminated and has to play a teammate that might be able to qualify. I kind of loved up/downs even though my favorite players tended to miss advancing by the skin of their teeth. Really nervewracking viewer experience. Some great foreigner moments too | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:09 Whatson wrote: I think Special was in a decent spot before those two pushes happened. I think his initial tank push just got surrounded too quickly my man think it was golden wall ;O | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:11 catplanetcatplanet wrote: I kind of loved up/downs even though my favorite players tended to miss advancing by the skin of their teeth. Really nervewracking viewer experience. Some great foreigner moments too i think bo1 has no place in any esport game ;p | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:11 catplanetcatplanet wrote: I kind of loved up/downs even though my favorite players tended to miss advancing by the skin of their teeth. Really nervewracking viewer experience. Some great foreigner moments too There were some interesting moments (a personal favorite of mine is when TL writers predicate Yonghwa to get out of an up/down group, but then he went 0-5 and apparently had some sort of eye infection to boot. The curse was doing overtime back then), but too much randomness overall. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:15 seemsgood wrote: i think bo1 has no place in any esport game ;p Yeah, it might not have been the fairest format, but it was so nuts to watch at times (especially with tiebreakers) and I did like the idea of the top prospects advancing straight from ro24 while the more middle-of-the-pack players brawled it out for the last code S spots. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Did Tasteless just say "Solar's very good; he never fails to disappoint"? Lmao. because artosis s curse is too mainstream : ] | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:15 seemsgood wrote: i think bo1 has no place in any esport game ;p Tell that to the LCS, LEC, and some CS:GO tournaments. It is shocking how these players get paid millions to play so few matches. At least give us best of 2s. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:33 Lorning wrote: I hope someone makes a compilation of 10 years of Tastosis talking about random shit on GSL Trying to pare it down to only a few hours would be the hardest part. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:34 geokilla wrote: Tell that to the LCS, LEC, and some CS:GO tournaments. It is shocking how these players get paid millions to play so few matches. At least give us best of 2s. lol are you sure you've done the math? Cuz with 18 matches being played for the LCS/LEC regular season per split before playoffs, they often-times play more games than a Code S player. Look at Rogue -- he placed second in both ro24 and ro16, and he played a total of 15 matches to get to the quarterfinals. | ||
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raising and lowering doesn't make sense for the lore lol edit: Tasteless said it too lol | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:51 Waxangel wrote: nice, Trap losing to something ggemini complained about specifically on twitter now i know why people want supply depot for protoss ;ooo | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:34 geokilla wrote: Tell that to the LCS, LEC, and some CS:GO tournaments. It is shocking how these players get paid millions to play so few matches. At least give us best of 2s. No way those guys get paid millions to play such few games. bo1 doesn't exist at all in csgo outside of those weird swiss system groups they did for majors. In CSGO the pros play waaay more televised minutes than other esports as well. Sure the salaries are insane but they're playing and traveling to such a ridiculous degree that it's not comparable to franchised esports or things like sc2 that have big events every month or so. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:58 Waxangel wrote: Golden Wall truly the best map of the last X years More like Hole in the Wall | ||
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shit posting goat EJro even told me zerg is still in good spot if protoss loses too much adepts for 20 drones | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:01 seemsgood wrote: well dude was losing full anyway,you need to kill at least 20 drones with adepts to make it worth shit posting goat EJro even told me zerg is still in good spot if protoss loses too much adepts for 20 drones Yah he got a bit too excited at the potential of Adept harassing from both the frontdoor and backdoor, and did some overly greedy Adept dives he prolly wouldn't have done on a 'normal' map. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:02 Circumstance wrote: And Special specifically said he was less worried about Trap than Solar. SpeCial in an event like Code S is always great against toss because he'll have some funky build catered to whatever Trap likes to do. I'd even say SpeCial has similar chances against any protoss in the tournament regardless of how good they are. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:02 Circumstance wrote: And Special specifically said he was less worried about Trap than Solar. Trap has been a bit hit and miss with his PvT recently, but I think there's still a lot for Special to be worried about. Hopefully he has some cool builds prepped. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:03 Russano wrote: Traps build was fine. This was the disruptor drop build that he won several big PvZ matchups with. Definitely got too overaggressive with the adepts. I don't think that was overagression. He knew he needed to deal some damage, and he was forced to take what he could get. | ||
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On August 29 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I really love the idea of shield batteries lowering and raising. Not pylons because cannon rushes would be way too obnoxious. its a noice quality of life buff but one thing we all know for sure is situation like this will never go away : ] | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:06 seemsgood wrote: its a noice quality of life buff but one thing we all know for sure is situation like this will never go away : ] Of course. After all we see terrans miss the depot raises all the time. | ||
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People miss depot walls, and there would be missed pylon/battery walls if they did make that change, but what you won't see however, is missed walls 2 minutes into the game. The problem is you need/want to actually use your adepts for scouting and pressure, but you can't if you are scared of stupid ling runbys. Its very unlikely for pros to leave a wall down that early (for the simple reason that you aren't rallying units from inside your base like a terran would). Your first production ability is part of a wall so you'd never leave it down. You will probably see midgame runbys where the door is left open though. | ||
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It's just different for terran because they have rallied units and protoss doesn't. But at the same time protoss can afford to have the wall sealed off all the time past early game except for if immortals need to get out. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:13 Fango wrote: Yeah, regardless of being able to raise/lower depots no one has the 0.1 second reaction time to stop most ling counterattacks getting in, it just depends on if you have units there or not. It's just different for terran because they have rallied units and protoss doesn't. But at the same time protoss can afford to have the wall sealed off all the time past early game except for if immortals need to get out. There's also the really frustrating scenario where the zealot/adept is slightly misplaced and the lings can push through. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:33 StasisField wrote: Maybe it's because I jumped into the game late, but I felt like Spear had that game under his control for most of the time. Ahead in upgrades, aggressive sensor towers giving him good positioning, Special miscontrolling some small skirmishes, etc. Special made some cocky moves and Spear punished him hard for it. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There's also the really frustrating scenario where the zealot/adept is slightly misplaced and the lings can push through. It's not just units, you get it with buildings too. Zergs just get free wins every now and again because someone missbuilds their wall without realising. It's frustrating but sc2 is the kind of thing where one extremely minor or innocent mistake can overcome outplaying someone for 99% of the game. | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:39 Fango wrote: It's not just units, you get it with buildings too. Zergs just get free wins every now and again because someone missbuilds their wall without realising. It's frustrating but sc2 is the kind of thing where one extremely minor or innocent mistake can overcome outplaying someone for 99% of the game. Misplacing walling units is often completely non-obvious visually though which makes things way worse than mis-walling (and also way easier to do). | ||
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Congrats to trap on advancing I guess. After that s pear/trap initial series, I dont give spear a chance | ||
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On August 29 2020 15:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Wow. Spear really got the chance to show his stuff. The Trap vs Spear rematch will undoubtedly disappoint though. To be fair to Spear, Trap's Stargate off meta builds completely threw him off you could tell he was not prepared for that style at all. After getting his ass kicked by it once, he might adjust better if Trap goes for it again. | ||
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He outsmarted himself all day. You aren't TY dude. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:00 swarminfestor wrote: Wow, how come Special could lost to an amateur player? Maybe he felt down after losing to Solar. Spear isn't an amateur, he's an old school GSL player from back in the day and he's currently on a team. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:00 Vindicare605 wrote: To be fair to Spear, Trap's Stargate off meta builds completely threw him off you could tell he was not prepared for that style at all. After getting his ass kicked by it once, he might adjust better if Trap goes for it again. Triple oracle's a bit weird, but the phoenix stuff game 2 is very normal. It is quite good against the hellion/concussive marauder build Spear was going for I guess. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Triple oracle's a bit weird, but the phoenix stuff game 2 is very normal. It is quite good against the hellion/concussive marauder build Spear was going for I guess. Very good vs it is an understatement. If you try that build and they open Phoenix that's a build order loss. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:02 ZAWGURN wrote: I honestly hope spear royal roads this lol did you see his first series verse trap? | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:02 ZAWGURN wrote: I honestly hope spear royal roads this There's one player in the world who can royal road GSL and we all know who it is. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:13 Morbidius wrote: There's one player in the world who can royal road GSL and we all know who it is. But he had no intended to play GSL, so no excuse there. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:13 Morbidius wrote: There's one player in the world who can royal road GSL and we all know who it is. yeah but Artosis isn't gonna play in it any time soon | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:16 Vindicare605 wrote: For two guys that know Starcraft so well, and have been playing it for 20 years, these guys know NOTHING about the lore. It's kind of infuriating. Who cares. Do the Nerazim pilots of the oracles ever do anything remotely noteworthy in the lore? edit: Also how is Spear only at 45 workers (and down 20) at the 8 minute mark. He hasn't lost all that many... | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:16 Schelim wrote: yeah but Tasteless would cheese his way to the trophy | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Who cares. Do the Nerazim pilots of the oracles ever do anything remotely noteworthy in the lore? I have played the BW campaigns and followed sc2 ever since the beta and I have no clue wtf a Nerazim is  | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:16 Vindicare605 wrote: For two guys that know Starcraft so well, and have been playing it for 20 years, these guys know NOTHING about the lore. It's kind of infuriating. to them anything beyond brood war is non canon ;Ooo | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:25 seemsgood wrote: to them anything beyond brood war is non canon ;Ooo But Artosis doesn't even know that a Dragoon has a pilot. I mean for pete's sake Fenix was a Dragoon we had it explained to us in the campaign. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:26 Vindicare605 wrote: But Artosis doesn't even know that a Dragoon has a pilot. I mean for pete's sake Fenix was a Dragoon we had it explained to us in the campaign. If you're permanently stuck in the dragoon you're no longer a pilot, you're a cyborg. Also I somehow doubt they've played the campaign. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: If you're permanently stuck in the dragoon you're no longer a pilot, you're a cyborg. Also I somehow doubt they've played the campaign. mind=blown if a human lives in their car, and only gets food from drive-throughs... are they a cyborg? | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:29 SenorChang wrote: did tasteless just call spear, "special" twice? lol No. Tassles did. | ||
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what inspired the new name of Tassles? | ||
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Spear tried to drop around the disruptors and failed miserably due to Trap's map control and attention. | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: If you're permanently stuck in the dragoon you're no longer a pilot, you're a cyborg. Also I somehow doubt they've played the campaign. i for once did see artosis playing sc2 campaign tho ;O | ||
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On August 29 2020 16:31 Slydie wrote: What is terran even supposed to do once Protoss has 5+ disruptors with blinkstalkers supporting them? I have seen so many pros struggle vs that, and noone have a real answer. Spear tried to drop around the disruptors and failed miserably due to Trap's map control and attention. Go air. Liberators zone Disruptors out completely. | ||
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Slydie
1913 Posts
On August 29 2020 16:32 Vindicare605 wrote: Go air. Liberators zone Disruptors out completely. Heromarine tried that on stream, it did not work. It is not that hard to keep the disruptors out of the liberation zones, and it is very difficult to set up a threatening position. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 29 2020 16:35 Slydie wrote: Heromarine tried that on stream, it did not work. It is not that hard to keep the disruptors out of the liberation zones, and it is very difficult to set up a threatening position. Of course it works. People do go libs against disruptors all the time. The part that terrans find really tricky nowadays isn't the blink stalker/disruptor phase but the much later game where Protoss mass expands, builds a ton of workers, has a small main army anchored with disruptors to zone, and uses blink dts to snipe everything. | ||
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
On August 29 2020 16:31 Slydie wrote: What is terran even supposed to do once Protoss has 5+ disruptors with blinkstalkers supporting them? I have seen so many pros struggle vs that, and noone has a real answer. Spear tried to drop around the disruptors and failed miserably due to Trap's map control and attention. liberator, you already have starports making vikings for colossus, so perfect time to pump out libs | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On August 29 2020 16:35 Slydie wrote: Heromarine tried that on stream, it did not work. It is not that hard to keep the disruptors out of the liberation zones, and it is very difficult to set up a threatening position. end game liberators comp is quite good but it has no place in the meta right now ; ] uncle blizz buffed it for a smoother transition but sadly protoss immediately adapted and went for heavily gateways meta you cut down at least 2 pathways from protoss naruto runby in the next map pool and you will see liberators on the rise again | ||
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LHK
204 Posts
timebones is known by many names. | ||
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Elentos
55510 Posts
On August 29 2020 16:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Of course it works. People do go libs against disruptors all the time. At least in Korea it's really the opposite of all the time. Lib centric play has fallen almost completely out of favor over the years. Far more likely to see tanks or just mass bio ghost. | ||
Poopi
France12790 Posts
Predictable result but still a bit sad. As for HeroMarine, he said libs are shit in TvP iirc. He opts for certain timing vs Protoss in tournaments since normal macro games don’t work according to him. | ||
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Slydie
1913 Posts
On August 29 2020 18:07 Poopi wrote: Yeah what games are you referring to regarding lib use? Predictable result but still a bit sad. As for HeroMarine, he said libs are shit in TvP iirc. He opts for certain timing vs Protoss in tournaments since normal macro games don’t work according to him. Ye, even with liberator and siege tank support, bio armies just can't move close enough to shoot without being blown up by fiery balls if the disruptor count is too high. Protoss players are getting too good at using disruptors, and there is no answer in sight. God level 3000apm splits?? Disable?? Go BCs and Yamato them?? Unfortunately, the best solution seems to be to do crippling damage with harassment or a pull-the-boyz timing. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On August 29 2020 18:26 Slydie wrote: Ye, even with liberator and siege tank support, bio armies just can't move close enough to shoot without being blown up by fiery balls if the disruptor count is too high. Protoss players are getting too good at using disruptors, and there is no answer in sight. God level 3000apm splits?? Disable?? Go BCs and Yamato them?? Unfortunately, the best solution seems to be to do crippling damage with harassment or a pull-the-boyz timing. I mean ultimately, Disruptors are a siege unit, they can't attack air, and they're RELATIVELY immobile. If the count gets high enough you need to start attacking around them or away from them similar to Siege Tanks and Lurkers (at least in theory that's how Siege Units are meant to work). Or you can just say screw it and go for full on Air Compositions (extremely hard to transition to I know trust me) but if the meta keeps going in this direction of producing stupid numbers of Disruptors, then the meta is just gonna need to shift where Terrans stop fighting head on with Bio armies. There's other things I can theory craft like using more Ravens or some such, but the tricky thing right now is this transitionary period where the Disruptor count first starts to get up to like 4-6 and if Terran gets obliterated in a bad fight they just die before they can adjust to the Disruptor count. That's the period that is really going to be difficult for the meta to adjust around, and I have no answers right now for what Terrans can do better there except to mix in some Liberators into their army and stall the Protoss from just killing you right away. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Spear played some good games though, even though it wouldn't be enough against a top player. A shame he couldn't close it out against Trap on EE. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 29 2020 16:30 Die4Ever wrote: mind=blown if a human lives in their car, and only gets food from drive-throughs... are they a cyborg? The human can potentially leave the car Dragoons are cyborgs. Hence the cybernetic core needed to build them | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On August 29 2020 18:26 Slydie wrote: Ye, even with liberator and siege tank support, bio armies just can't move close enough to shoot without being blown up by fiery balls if the disruptor count is too high. Protoss players are getting too good at using disruptors, and there is no answer in sight. God level 3000apm splits?? Disable?? Go BCs and Yamato them?? Unfortunately, the best solution seems to be to do crippling damage with harassment or a pull-the-boyz timing. It's the same for toss, stalkers can't attack without being outranged by liberators/tanks. The MU is a position battle, and the faster usually win. And when Toss accumulates disruptors, you have to admit that they are kind of ahead and likely to win. But here, we have again some games where a Terran lost, and terran player who uses that as an opportunity to state "Terran is so weak, this Z/P strats is impossible to beat", even in games where the Protoss was a top Protoss star, and the Terran unknown. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On August 30 2020 00:40 BerserkSword wrote: The human can potentially leave the car Dragoons are cyborgs. Hence the cybernetic core needed to build them The protoss can leave the Dragoon, he's just too crippled to do much. I think of Dragoons more as wheelchairs, because the Dragoon is never an actual part of the protoss' body, in contrast to Stalkers, who actually are fused into their robotic bodies. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On August 30 2020 03:16 Tyrhanius wrote: It's the same for toss, stalkers can't attack without being outranged by liberators/tanks. The MU is a position battle, and the faster usually win. And when Toss accumulates disruptors, you have to admit that they are kind of ahead and likely to win. But here, we have again some games where a Terran lost, and terran player who uses that as an opportunity to state "Terran is so weak, this Z/P strats is impossible to beat", even in games where the Protoss was a top Protoss star, and the Terran unknown. Aren't you just admitting what OP is saying? He said that you need to hit early timings or harassment. If you have to admit that massing Disruptors means your opponent is ahead what other choice is there? It's not like they cost much or build slowly. It's not necessarily balance whine if someone says 'you have to kill them early.' At least in most cases, we accept that certain match-ups are unfavorable in no rush macro situations. | ||
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Chemist391
United States366 Posts
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Dabble
39 Posts
what if this is just... the meta now? | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 30 2020 08:44 Fanatic-Templar wrote: The protoss can leave the Dragoon, he's just too crippled to do much. I think of Dragoons more as wheelchairs, because the Dragoon is never an actual part of the protoss' body, in contrast to Stalkers, who actually are fused into their robotic bodies. Protoss stay inside the dragoon for life once inserted. In a Dragoon, the Protoss literally controls the exoskeleton with psionic powers. "The pilot's mind interfaced directly with the machine through mysterious essence translators with the use of the Khala.[6] The end result was that pilots controlled their exoskeletons as a natural extension of their bodies[2] using the walker's advanced hydraulic-psionic mobility systems. Once inside the core, the pilot would remain in the tank for the rest of their life" https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Dragoon That said, this wiki also describes them as pilots lol. | ||
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Slydie
1913 Posts
On August 30 2020 12:34 Chemist391 wrote: Heromarine is a notorious TvP balance whiner. I'd take anything he says about Protoss with a grain of salt. He is, but he is also a great player, in the conversation for best foreign Terran, especially now when Special seems to have fall off a bit lately. If you know a recent game a TvP on a good pro level where Terran shows off how to beat 5+ disruptors, I would love to watch it! | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1682 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On August 31 2020 14:45 ShowTheLights wrote: How were the games overall? Was this group a good group? Always like to know whether to skim the matches if they're shit (aka last seasons finals) or if theyre awesome groups Don't watch Trap vs Spear except for game 1 of the rematch. Trap vs Solar was alright. Special vs Solar was good. Special vs Spear was the best match of the night. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1682 Posts
On August 31 2020 14:57 Vindicare605 wrote: Don't watch Trap vs Spear except for game 1 of the rematch. Trap vs Solar was alright. Special vs Solar was good. Special vs Spear was the best match of the night. thanks man appreciate this | ||
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