• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:33
CEST 01:33
KST 08:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies18Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12
Community News
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League2Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !18
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ VPN experiences 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 vespene.gg — BW replays in browser (Spoiler) ASL21 Winner's Interview
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Organizations: Raisi…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1453 users

DreamHack Masters: Fall - Regionals - Page 60

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 58 59 60 61 62 68 Next
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1181
On September 14 2020 07:10 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:09 Morbidius wrote:
People aren't complaining about Zerg because Zerg won one game in eternal empire, they're complaining about Zerg because Zerg has 100% tournament winrate outside of Korea for 3 years.


Serral and Reynor do. Not Zerg. Or was Terran imbalanced because Terran won all the GSL's in 2018?

Truth right here. Take away Serral and Reynor, suddenly you have a completely different picture. Elazer and Lambo are great, but nowhere near Serral and Reynor.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1182
After those comments I'm really hoping Rogue shows up to the season finals and just dominates Reynor. His ZvZ has looked top notch lately so I feel fairly good about it. I just wish the prize pool was higher since Rogue seems to lack motivation for these smaller events.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2955 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1183
On September 14 2020 07:10 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:09 Morbidius wrote:
People aren't complaining about Zerg because Zerg won one game in eternal empire, they're complaining about Zerg because Zerg has 100% tournament winrate outside of Korea for 3 years.


Winrate in Korea not too shabby either


40% vs. Terran this season?
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1937 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1184
I would not really blame for this loss, even though it is a lot harder to cheer for a Zerg favourite than a Terran underdog.

Clem seemed a bit one-dimentional. No proxy rax, no mech, little early timings, no BC openers, relying too much on liberator harass and ultimately his downfall: no answer for Reynor's lurker play. His multitasking and bio play is obviously amazing, but Innovation seemed to have even better MMMM pushes, adding marauders earlier and using them to tank in blings in front.

To take down someone like Reynor in 2 long series, you will have to be complete and keep him guessing.
Buff the siegetank
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1185
On September 14 2020 07:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:04 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, i might have missed something given how different pacing is, but i am fairly positive that something is off with meta when standard 2-2 push hits when Zerg is taking his 5th on 80+ drones, given that even in HotS it would be auto loss to Zerg on such economy.

SC2 wasn't designed for 12 worker start and it's pretty clear.

Nah, i am still of opinion that maps enable it more than quick start.


I wonder what would happen if we increase the distance between bases by, like, 20%. That would make it harder to connect them with creep (require more tumors to do so, which would then not be placed out on the map), and would make it harder for zerg to defend the early game. Could be an easy alternative to fixing the economy problem?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1186
On September 14 2020 07:12 JJH777 wrote:
After those comments I'm really hoping Rogue shows up to the season finals and just dominates Reynor. His ZvZ has looked top notch lately so I feel fairly good about it. I just wish the prize pool was higher since Rogue seems to lack motivation for these smaller events.

Nobody will take finals seriously because :"Cross-continental ping lol". Sadly.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
September 13 2020 22:12 GMT
#1187
On September 14 2020 07:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:10 Lexender wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:08 HolydaKing wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:02 Lexender wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 Calliope wrote:
So still 2017 last time? Feeling really sorry for clem, such a multitasker. I wonder where he'd been had he chosen Z instead.


Clem and Reynor are the same age and started playing at the same time, so people saying "he's still improving" act like Reynor isn't exactly like him but with the better race.

Maybe, just possibly, we are blessed with two individuals in Reynor and Serral that are just better players. Them being same age doesn't mean they're supposed to be at the same skill level at all.

In KR I don't think Terran is getting severely outmatched by Zergs in the last 3 years, are they? And those guys were, pre Serrals appearence, dominating everything.

Z and T both are incredibly hard races to play at high level, just look how many Zergs there are that get owned by Gabe and Clem all the time and the same thing other way around.


The 3 players that have dominated the most since LotVs release have been Serral, Reynor and Rogue.

No correlation there besides pure casuality.

I like how player that won 4 GSLs back to back does not qualify for your list.


He will if his wrist haven't imploded by the next GSL considering in his last stream he said he was having severe problems and having to cut practice.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
September 13 2020 22:13 GMT
#1188
On September 14 2020 07:10 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:08 Zzzapper wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:02 Lexender wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 Calliope wrote:
So still 2017 last time? Feeling really sorry for clem, such a multitasker. I wonder where he'd been had he chosen Z instead.


Clem and Reynor are the same age and started playing at the same time, so people saying "he's still improving" act like Reynor isn't exactly like him but with the better race.

That's ridiculous, Reynor was always better than Clem. Or has zerg just been overpowered for all of LotV?

You got it ;;

I'm tired of pretending that a race winning everything for 3 years is normal tbh.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 22:14:00
September 13 2020 22:13 GMT
#1189
Reynor is much more personable than Serral, who has that cold aloofness - the two of them have a nice contrast in personality, which is nice
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 13 2020 22:14 GMT
#1190
On September 14 2020 07:13 Bagration wrote:
Reynor is much more personable than Serral, who has that cold aloofness - the two of them have a nice contrast in personality, which is nice

Apparently stereotypes about Italians and Finns are not stereotypes purely for laughs /s
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 13 2020 22:14 GMT
#1191
On September 14 2020 07:12 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:04 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, i might have missed something given how different pacing is, but i am fairly positive that something is off with meta when standard 2-2 push hits when Zerg is taking his 5th on 80+ drones, given that even in HotS it would be auto loss to Zerg on such economy.

SC2 wasn't designed for 12 worker start and it's pretty clear.

Nah, i am still of opinion that maps enable it more than quick start.


I wonder what would happen if we increase the distance between bases by, like, 20%. That would make it harder to connect them with creep (require more tumors to do so, which would then not be placed out on the map), and would make it harder for zerg to defend the early game. Could be an easy alternative to fixing the economy problem?


Protoss's winrate in PvZ drops even further since they can't hold a third. Zerg has the fastest units, so adding more distance doesn't really hamper them that much.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
September 13 2020 22:15 GMT
#1192
Disappointing, I think I'd honestly prefer if SC2 did just have one race. Or if all players switched to zerg. Really depressing following the foreigner scene with 3 races but only one wins.
Clément 화이팅
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 22:17:05
September 13 2020 22:16 GMT
#1193
On September 14 2020 07:13 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:10 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:08 Zzzapper wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:02 Lexender wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 Calliope wrote:
So still 2017 last time? Feeling really sorry for clem, such a multitasker. I wonder where he'd been had he chosen Z instead.


Clem and Reynor are the same age and started playing at the same time, so people saying "he's still improving" act like Reynor isn't exactly like him but with the better race.

That's ridiculous, Reynor was always better than Clem. Or has zerg just been overpowered for all of LotV?

You got it ;;

I'm tired of pretending that a race winning everything for 3 years is normal tbh.


You're making your life too easy by reducing this entire streak on a race, considering most Zerg (aka everyone but Serral and Reynor) are as far away from winning a tournament as all the other players.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 22:16 GMT
#1194
On September 14 2020 07:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:12 JJH777 wrote:
After those comments I'm really hoping Rogue shows up to the season finals and just dominates Reynor. His ZvZ has looked top notch lately so I feel fairly good about it. I just wish the prize pool was higher since Rogue seems to lack motivation for these smaller events.

Nobody will take finals seriously because :"Cross-continental ping lol". Sadly.


Why is that sad? Can it be otherwise?

We just saw a series played on 16ms ping. Cross finals will be 140-200ms for Korea-EU matches. I have no idea why anyone would consider that insignificant.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
September 13 2020 22:16 GMT
#1195
Now let's go to North Aiur
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55578 Posts
September 13 2020 22:17 GMT
#1196
On September 14 2020 07:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:12 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:04 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, i might have missed something given how different pacing is, but i am fairly positive that something is off with meta when standard 2-2 push hits when Zerg is taking his 5th on 80+ drones, given that even in HotS it would be auto loss to Zerg on such economy.

SC2 wasn't designed for 12 worker start and it's pretty clear.

Nah, i am still of opinion that maps enable it more than quick start.


I wonder what would happen if we increase the distance between bases by, like, 20%. That would make it harder to connect them with creep (require more tumors to do so, which would then not be placed out on the map), and would make it harder for zerg to defend the early game. Could be an easy alternative to fixing the economy problem?


Protoss's winrate in PvZ drops even further since they can't hold a third. Zerg has the fastest units, so adding more distance doesn't really hamper them that much.

What could hamper Zerg is maps where taking 3 bases is safe and easy for every race. That is, 3 base behind one choke with a backdoor style like Dusk Towers.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 13 2020 22:17 GMT
#1197
On September 14 2020 07:15 Calliope wrote:
Disappointing, I think I'd honestly prefer if SC2 did just have one race. Or if all players switched to zerg. Really depressing following the foreigner scene with 3 races but only one wins.

Keep watching the NA finals, I'm pretty sure we'll see a protoss champion unless Scarlett has practiced seriously and doesn't get tilted.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 22:19:06
September 13 2020 22:18 GMT
#1198
Some Terran players: Serral, Reynor and Rogue win most weekenders and therefore Zerg is OP!
Also some Terran players for entirety of LotV: Just because a few Korean Terrans win the lion's share of Code S trophies in LotV doesn't mean Terran is OP!
TL+ Member
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
September 13 2020 22:19 GMT
#1199
On September 14 2020 07:15 Calliope wrote:
Disappointing, I think I'd honestly prefer if SC2 did just have one race. Or if all players switched to zerg. Really depressing following the foreigner scene with 3 races but only one wins.

I think this is just a monumental idea.

Blizzard could essentially bring their balance team down to just making the game fun as they always wanted. Fantastic thought. Why even bother letting Clem try to take a championship or Astrea or Neeb when everyone can be Zerg. I can literally feel the ground opening beneath my feet this is so earth shattering. I think I am just going to stop typing and just enjoy life fully for the first ti
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 13 2020 22:19 GMT
#1200
On September 14 2020 07:17 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 07:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:12 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:04 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 07:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
Anyways, i might have missed something given how different pacing is, but i am fairly positive that something is off with meta when standard 2-2 push hits when Zerg is taking his 5th on 80+ drones, given that even in HotS it would be auto loss to Zerg on such economy.

SC2 wasn't designed for 12 worker start and it's pretty clear.

Nah, i am still of opinion that maps enable it more than quick start.


I wonder what would happen if we increase the distance between bases by, like, 20%. That would make it harder to connect them with creep (require more tumors to do so, which would then not be placed out on the map), and would make it harder for zerg to defend the early game. Could be an easy alternative to fixing the economy problem?


Protoss's winrate in PvZ drops even further since they can't hold a third. Zerg has the fastest units, so adding more distance doesn't really hamper them that much.

What could hamper Zerg is maps where taking 3 bases is safe and easy for every race. That is, 3 base behind one choke with a backdoor style like Dusk Towers.

Or alternatively the maps with 5th on the other corner of the map instead of 3 seconds away from 3rd/4th.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Prev 1 58 59 60 61 62 68 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft338
SpeCial 132
ProTech67
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 551
Movie 81
NaDa 16
Dota 2
monkeys_forever550
NeuroSwarm110
League of Legends
Doublelift5782
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_43
Other Games
shahzam800
C9.Mang0268
uThermal259
Trikslyr45
JuggernautJason21
Maynarde3
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL401
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta117
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21834
Other Games
• imaqtpie1910
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
27m
Kung Fu Cup
11h 27m
GSL
1d 9h
herO vs Classic
Cure vs Clem
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
WardiTV Spring Champion…
2 days
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
4 days
IPSL
4 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.