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lolfail9001
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sneakyfox
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On September 14 2020 07:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote: If only there were areas on ladder maps with: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/zOy5kpO.png) It could be a solution to simply make it impossible to spread creep past the middle of the map. But still it is (was?) a great feature of Zerg matchups that there is a constant battle for the extent of the creep. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, seriously, given the overkill capabilities of SC2 editor, you'd think balance team (guy?) does not even have to do anything, they can just greenlight maps absolutely terrifying for whatever race is favored in present map pool. They source maps through a once a year TLMC with player judges (who only like standard maps), and the map QA work seems to take them weeks if not months, so that doesn't make the balance team particularly reactive to balance maps wise. ESL could do that though if they wanted to. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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lcms
Netherlands27 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:26 Calliope wrote: I am guessing that you're joking but honestly this sounds like an interesting idea. Prize money and results standardized to you race. You will strive to be the best of your race and will be duly celebrated for performing better than your companions, but will not be punished for not playing the race favoured by the meta. It would put away the emphasis to beat the other races once you're the best of your race. Also it would kind of imply that the game isn't balanced. Maybe having both a prize for being number one and a prize for being the best of your race could be interesting. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: They source maps through a once a year TLMC with player judges (who only like standard maps), and the map QA work seems to take them weeks if not months, so that doesn't make the balance team particularly reactive to balance maps wise. ESL could do that though if they wanted to. Blizzard is also apparently okay with using 1 TLMC to have maps for the entire year (since like no high finishers from last TLMC made ladder so far I assume they'll come next season). Disregarding ofc the fact that maps are generally made with a certain meta and patch in mind. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:39 Elentos wrote: Blizzard is also apparently okay with using 1 TLMC to have maps for the entire year (since like no high finishers from last TLMC made ladder so far I assume they'll come next season). Disregarding ofc the fact that maps are generally made with a certain meta and patch in mind. Quite a few of the finalists looked quite bad in the map test tournament, but I guess they'll end up on ladder anyways since that's basically necessary if you want to get four map pools out of one contest (unless you use non-finalists which Blizz did do once). | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:28 Swisslink wrote: Yeah, I forgot about the Scarlett run. That was - however - just a few months later than the Neeb victory in late 2017 (last non-Korean tournament 2017 vs. 2nd non-Korean tournament 2018). And since that tournament, Showtime was in a final once and lost to Serral, Mana was in a final once and lost to Serral, Has was in a final once and lost to Serral, Special was in a final once and lost to Serral, Elazer was in a final once and lost to Serral. No other Zerg ever reached te finals. And yes, I'm excluding the Korean tournaments, because there are definitely some non-Zerg winners in Korean tournaments. Probably even more Terran winners than Zerg winners in the comparable timespan (beginning of 2018 to today). edit: it's actually completely even in terms of Korean championships between Zerg and Terran. Is that only counting GSL events? If you count blizzcon, IEM, and WESG there's no way that's accurate. Also I'd be curious how often Elazer, Lambo, Scarlett etc were eliminated in bracket vs each other and Serral/Reynor I'd guess it was a lot. If you really think it's just Serral and Reynor tell me what do you think would happen if we removed the top 2 foreign players of each race from consideration do you really think Zerg would have had the worst results? Take out Serral, Reynor, Clem (Heromarine before this year), Special, Neeb, Showtime. You really don't think Elazer, Lambo, Scarlett don't start winning the majority of foreign only events? I'll admit I don't believe they'd dominate the way Serral and Reynor have or even close but I still do believe they would have won more than 1/3 of the events by a fairly significant percent. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Quite a few of the finalists looked quite bad in the map test tournament, but I guess they'll end up on ladder anyways since that's basically necessary if you want to get four map pools out of one contest (unless you use non-finalists which Blizz did do once). True but it's quite uncommon for them to not use high placing maps at all, let alone skip the winner. So I assume we'll see some of those come October. | ||
Waxangel
United States33701 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:44 lolfail9001 wrote: 2 base carrier? Is it full NA i am watching? I'll have you know sOs lost doing this in the GSL as well  | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:45 Waxangel wrote: I'll have you know sOs lost doing this in the GSL as well Yeah, but that's sOs, the guy who went tempest against bio once. On Neo Planet S. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote: True but it's quite uncommon for them to not use high placing maps at all, let alone skip the winner. So I assume we'll see some of those come October. Yeah we'll see them in October (or even in the season afterwards). | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:46 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, but that's sOs, the guy who went tempest against bio once. On Neo Planet S. sOs with the double stargate flux vane triple cancel void rays into 1/1 stalkers | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:46 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, but that's sOs, the guy who went tempest against bio once. On Neo Planet S. He also went carriers when carriers were at their absolute worst, and lost horribly on Frost (don't remember who the opponent was). Two base carrier right now is at least kinda legit if still fringe. | ||
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Kuchikikun
Italy560 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:48 Elentos wrote: sOs with the double stargate flux vane triple cancel void rays into 1/1 stalkers That was so awful... | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 14 2020 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He also went carriers when carriers were at their absolute worst, and lost horribly on Frost (don't remember who the opponent was). Point is: copying strats from sOs is generally a dangerous idea. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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what's the best case scenario there? zerg completely misplays and doesn't put their queens together? don't you always just kill a few queens but then also lose a bunch of money you spent on interceptors anyways? maybe it'd make sense if he actually sent something with them like catz suggested | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On September 14 2020 07:52 travis wrote: neeb moves across the map with his carriers and what do you know, he runs into a ton of queens, like zerg literally always has every single game against every race what's the best case scenario there? zerg completely misplays and doesn't put their queens together? don't you always just kill a few queens but then also lose a bunch of money you spent on interceptors anyways? maybe it'd make sense if he actually sent something with them like catz suggested You play it like a bc opening and get some drones before getting out. | ||
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sneakyfox
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