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darklycid
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 02 2020 19:33 Xain0n wrote: You have received reasonable answers and statistics and you have kept spewing your opinions like they were facts. Serral is still undoubtly among the best players in the world, he is the most consistent for sure. Not recognizing Serral has been THE best is just delusion. He was without any doubt in the second half of 2018 and around August/September last year. In reality, you cannot accept it because Serral is not korean. Dude, just to be clear, I think you're also responding in obnoxious and goading ways. People can disagree with you and you can respect them and act like it. Why basically call him delusional and accuse him of some kind of racism? This strikes me as childish, disrespectful, and totally unnecessary. | ||
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Penev
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25539 Posts
On March 02 2020 20:27 Penev wrote: Haha I love the fact we have someone named "neutralrobot" trying to moderate the discussion. <3 Hahaha that’s well pointed-out. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
It's the part I was manufactured to play! Beep boop beep. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 02 2020 20:16 neutralrobot wrote: Dude, just to be clear, I think you're also responding in obnoxious and goading ways. People can disagree with you and you can respect them and act like it. Why basically call him delusional and accuse him of some kind of racism? This strikes me as childish, disrespectful, and totally unnecessary. I called him delusional because he is refusing to acknowledge a truth suffragated by facts, statistics and even general consesus: Serral has been the strongest player in Sc2 in the past. I was not the one speaking of nationalities, but since Vindicare says people are glorifying Serral merely because he is not korean, and that's false, it must be Vindicare himself who's an elitist. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 02 2020 20:27 Penev wrote: Haha I love the fact we have someone named "neutralrobot" trying to moderate the discussion. <3 lmao | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25539 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 02 2020 21:23 Xain0n wrote: I called him delusional because he is refusing to acknowledge a truth suffragated by facts, statistics and even general consesus: Serral has been the strongest player in Sc2 in the past. I was not the one speaking of nationalities, but since Vindicare says people are glorifying Serral merely because he is not korean, and that's false, it must be Vindicare himself who's an elitist. You're using a psychological defense called deflection. This is a way of shifting attention away from you and your actions and on to something else (https://www.learning-mind.com/psychological-deflection/). I am not interested in playing along. If you're denying that you're playing a role in escalating the flame factor in this discussion, respectfully, I think you're not examining yourself honestly enough. The fact that others have also made missteps does not excuse you from looking at your own missteps and trying to improve upon them. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Penev
28482 Posts
On March 02 2020 23:12 sneakyfox wrote: neutralrobot programming 10/10 I just hope neutralrobot doesn't get "tired" of moderating some day and decides to kill all humans | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 02 2020 22:43 neutralrobot wrote: You're using a psychological defense called deflection. This is a way of shifting attention away from you and your actions and on to something else (https://www.learning-mind.com/psychological-deflection/). I am not interested in playing along. If you're denying that you're playing a role in escalating the flame factor in this discussion, respectfully, I think you're not examining yourself honestly enough. The fact that others have also made missteps does not excuse you from looking at your own missteps and trying to improve upon them. I am not contributing in escalating the tones of this discussion, Vindicare is; I am reacting with a tone very similar to his, so you might say I am not trying to extinguish the flame . If I wanted to peacefully ignore the boasts and the provocations the very vocal anti-Serral faction here on TL can't stop screaming every time Serral does not win a certain tournament, I would have stayed in the shadows like a silent majority of users who just don't want to get involved in this kind of quarreling. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 03 2020 00:01 Xain0n wrote: I am not contributing in escalating the tones of this discussion, Vindicare is; I am reacting with a tone very similar to his, so you might say I am not trying to extinguish the flame . If I wanted to peacefully ignore the boasts and the provocations the very vocal anti-Serral faction here on TL can't stop screaming every time Serral does not win a certain tournament, I would have stayed in the shadows like a silent majority of users who just don't want to get involved in this kind of quarreling. You are contributing to it. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 02 2020 23:55 Penev wrote: I just hope neutralrobot doesn't get "tired" of moderating some day and decides to kill all humans Well there's obviously no escaping that, it's only a matter of time. The only question is how long we can postpone it. I heard booze and cigars keeps them happy and running smoothly? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 02 2020 19:33 Xain0n wrote: You have received reasonable answers and statistics and you have kept spewing your opinions like they were facts. Serral is still undoubtly among the best players in the world, he is the most consistent for sure. Not recognizing Serral has been THE best is just delusion. He was without any doubt in the second half of 2018 and around August/September last year. In reality, you cannot accept it because Serral is not korean. I've never once said that Serral isn't a top level player. I've said as much in numerous comments. If you're gonna change your opinion from "Serral is the best" to "Serral is a top level player" then I've done my job. Serral gets treated differently than other top level players, people consider him a GOAT when he's barely at the top level in his own era let alone across every era. He gets that special treatment for two reasons. He's a foreigner and benefits from recency bias. If the conversation shifts to that he's simply a top level talent, among the best rather than THE best, I'll have done my job and I'll stop complaining. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 03 2020 03:46 Vindicare605 wrote: I've never once said that Serral isn't a top level player. I've said as much in numerous comments. If you're gonna change your opinion from "Serral is the best" to "Serral is a top level player" then I've done my job. Serral gets treated differently than other top level players, people consider him a GOAT when he's barely at the top level in his own era let alone across every era. He gets that special treatment for two reasons. He's a foreigner and benefits from recency bias. If the conversation shifts to that he's simply a top level talent, among the best rather than THE best, I'll have done my job and I'll stop complaining. I already said, more than once, that right now Serral is the most consistent of the top player but he is not above that level like it was the case in 2018. Serral is not GOAT level yet, he needs at least another big tournament/World Championship; however, if you look at Serral's results you will find he's certainly not getting this special treatment because he's non korean or because of recency bias. No player in Sc2 has won so much in so little time and the fact he has reached at worst a ro8 in two years is unprecedent; you may not like Serral, but he is extemely notable in many ways. The fact that he might not be the absolute best player right now or that there are a handful of players in the history of Sc2 who achieved more than him can't diminish Serral's stature. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 03 2020 05:36 Xain0n wrote: will find he's certainly not getting this special treatment No player in Sc2 has won so much in so little time and the fact he has reached at worst a ro8 in two years is unprecedent; There you go again. WCS is by itself a fucking welfare title. It's rigged to be more important than it should be. Serral wins WCS titles, he wins vs foreigners NOT top Koreans. He's the only one that gets put in GOAT conversations without winning vs top Koreans. He does that because he's European. No Korean player would get that kind of love. Serral is protected by region locking, I've said it again and again and I'll say it some more. The longer Region Locking exists, the more Serral benefits. I will counter that shit, for as long as I can. | ||
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Monster3
16 Posts
Tier 1 - 1x Blizzcon, 2x IEM Katowice Tier 2 - 1x GSL Tier 3 - 1x GSL ST, 1x IEM Maru: Tier 1: None Tier 2: 6x GSL (including OSL and SSL here) Tier 3:1x WESG Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 03 2020 05:59 Monster3 wrote: Rogue: Tier 1 - 1x Blizzcon, 2x IEM Katowice Tier 2 - 1x GSL Tier 3 - 1x GSL ST, 1x IEM Maru: Tier 1: None Tier 2: 6x GSL (including OSL and SSL here) Tier 3:1x WESG Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral. LMAO! GSL is a Tier 2 tournament? Get the F out of here. Blizzcon is a tier 1 tournament when half of its seeds come from WCS?! LOL. Yea ok, STUPENDOUS, FLAWLESS logic here. /s | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 03 2020 05:59 Monster3 wrote: Rogue: Tier 1 - 1x Blizzcon, 2x IEM Katowice Tier 2 - 1x GSL Tier 3 - 1x GSL ST, 1x IEM Maru: Tier 1: None Tier 2: 6x GSL (including OSL and SSL here) Tier 3:1x WESG Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral. GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion. | ||
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