Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion.
Oh it's even better that he says GSL vs the World is on the same level as code S. This 11 post guy is truly something special.
Yo Xainon this is how I see most Serral Stans. This is the kind of company you keep. You should regulate on him because he makes you look bad rofl.
Almost everyone looks like a myopic idiot in this discussion so maybe I’d calm it with the condescension.
Do we really fucking need this sub-topic every single tournament thread? It’s interesting to have the occasional time but Jesus H Christ
Seriously. Can we start temp-banning these people when they get like this? They have zero interest in speaking like reasonable human beings; they're just polluting the thread and we've heard it all a million times already.
Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion.
Oh it's even better that he says GSL vs the World is on the same level as code S. This 11 post guy is truly something special.
Yo Xainon this is how I see most Serral Stans. This is the kind of company you keep. You should regulate on him because he makes you look bad rofl.
Almost everyone looks like a myopic idiot in this discussion so maybe I’d calm it with the condescension.
Do we really fucking need this sub-topic every single tournament thread? It’s interesting to have the occasional time but Jesus H Christ
Seriously. Can we start temp-banning these people when they get like this? They have zero interest in speaking like reasonable human beings; they're just polluting the thread and we've heard it all a million times already.
At this point it would be a great idea to just make a "Serral GOAT discussion" thread and throw warnings/bans left and right to people who discuss it in other threads.
But ofc I also support the robot's suggestion (please don't kill all humans). Neutralrobot or Chaos!
On March 03 2020 06:45 Penev wrote: Guys let's not treat Monster3 as public enemy No1. Yes obviously regular GSLs should be considered highest tier tournaments but he even says so himself in the last sentence he posted:
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
His post count also shouldn't matter.
He still made the argument, and the argument was complete dirt.
So let's call it what it is.
He put thought into something completely false. I just did the natural thing and call it out for what it was.
You did a bit more than just "call it out for what it was", that was my point obviously.
On a more pressing note; Where can I find this "GSL" you are all so enthusiastically conversing about? :/ + Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
That the competitive gap between Premier tournaments is so huge to the point it's meaningless to mention Serral won multiple WCS is just your opinion. I never denied that GSL is more competitive, and we have extensively discussed the topic in vain.
I don't see how your second point should contrast with what I have been writing in this thread. No player has ever been as dominant as Serral, but that's the past; in the last year, he has been "merely" a very consistent top tier GSL player, not above that level anymore.
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion.
Oh it's even better that he says GSL vs the World is on the same level as code S. This 11 post guy is truly something special.
Yo Xainon this is how I see most Serral Stans. This is the kind of company you keep. You should regulate on him because he makes you look bad rofl.
Almost everyone looks like a myopic idiot in this discussion so maybe I’d calm it with the condescension.
Do we really fucking need this sub-topic every single tournament thread? It’s interesting to have the occasional time but Jesus H Christ
Seriously. Can we start temp-banning these people when they get like this? They have zero interest in speaking like reasonable human beings; they're just polluting the thread and we've heard it all a million times already.
At this point it would be a great idea to just make a "Serral GOAT discussion" thread and throw warnings/bans left and right to people who discuss it in other threads.
But ofc I also support the robot's suggestion (please don't kill all humans). Neutralrobot or Chaos!
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion.
Oh it's even better that he says GSL vs the World is on the same level as code S. This 11 post guy is truly something special.
Yo Xainon this is how I see most Serral Stans. This is the kind of company you keep. You should regulate on him because he makes you look bad rofl.
Almost everyone looks like a myopic idiot in this discussion so maybe I’d calm it with the condescension.
Do we really fucking need this sub-topic every single tournament thread? It’s interesting to have the occasional time but Jesus H Christ
Seriously. Can we start temp-banning these people when they get like this? They have zero interest in speaking like reasonable human beings; they're just polluting the thread and we've heard it all a million times already.
At this point it would be a great idea to just make a "Serral GOAT discussion" thread and throw warnings/bans left and right to people who discuss it in other threads.
But ofc I also support the robot's suggestion (please don't kill all humans). Neutralrobot or Chaos!
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
No, it's facts against your opinion
Which facts? Maybe Serral going 47-0 in offline series(20 against koreans) and winning 6/6 LAN tournaments(3/3 with koreans) over the span of ten months, starting after the 22nd of April in 2018(offline losses to soO in Nation Wars) and ending with Katowice's group stages the 1st of March 2019(loss to Inno)?
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
No, it's facts against your opinion
Which facts? Maybe Serral going 47-0 in offline series(20 against koreans) and winning 6/6 LAN tournaments(3/3 with koreans) over the span of ten months, starting after the 22nd of April in 2018(offline losses to soO in Nation Wars) and ending with Katowice's group stages the 1st of March 2019(loss to Inno)?
Cherry-picking statistics doesn't equate to "facts that make him the most dominant player of all time" Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and Rogue won 4 weekenders in a row. Both are more impressive than the things you listed.
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
No, it's facts against your opinion
Which facts? Maybe Serral going 47-0 in offline series(20 against koreans) and winning 6/6 LAN tournaments(3/3 with koreans) over the span of ten months, starting after the 22nd of April in 2018(offline losses to soO in Nation Wars) and ending with Katowice's group stages the 1st of March 2019(loss to Inno)?
Dude, everyone already told you that the year Serral had was super impressive, but in terms of achievements Maru had the best year and it wasnt close. As far as career peaks go, Rogue had and equally impressive peak (if not better). Everything you say and hide behind facts are just your opinions you are trying to sell to people who rightfully disagree with you, because at this point everyone knows that your criteria for player evaluation are bullshit.
Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion.
Oh it's even better that he says GSL vs the World is on the same level as code S. This 11 post guy is truly something special.
Yo Xainon this is how I see most Serral Stans. This is the kind of company you keep. You should regulate on him because he makes you look bad rofl.
Almost everyone looks like a myopic idiot in this discussion so maybe I’d calm it with the condescension.
Do we really fucking need this sub-topic every single tournament thread? It’s interesting to have the occasional time but Jesus H Christ
Seriously. Can we start temp-banning these people when they get like this? They have zero interest in speaking like reasonable human beings; they're just polluting the thread and we've heard it all a million times already.
At this point it would be a great idea to just make a "Serral GOAT discussion" thread and throw warnings/bans left and right to people who discuss it in other threads.
But ofc I also support the robot's suggestion (please don't kill all humans). Neutralrobot or Chaos!
That's actually not a bad idea, IMO!
to kill all humans? D:
Kill all humans, you say? You know, that wasn't on my agenda, but now that you mention it...
Serral: Tier 1: 1x Blizzcon Tier 2: 2x GSL vs World Tier 3: 6x WCS Circuit, 2x HSC
And that I think is being harsh on GSL are not being "tier 1" which I would say it is frankly, but trying to be fair to Serral.
GSL vs the World on the same level as GSL Code S? :/ Its a super tournament level at best. And HSC + WCS Circuit + WESG should probably be like Tier 4. All in all, Serral is super good, super consistent, but in terms of achievements, he is so far off the top that he will need to win at least another 4 to 5 Blizzcon/Katowice to be seriously considered in a GOAT discussion.
Oh it's even better that he says GSL vs the World is on the same level as code S. This 11 post guy is truly something special.
Yo Xainon this is how I see most Serral Stans. This is the kind of company you keep. You should regulate on him because he makes you look bad rofl.
Almost everyone looks like a myopic idiot in this discussion so maybe I’d calm it with the condescension.
Do we really fucking need this sub-topic every single tournament thread? It’s interesting to have the occasional time but Jesus H Christ
Seriously. Can we start temp-banning these people when they get like this? They have zero interest in speaking like reasonable human beings; they're just polluting the thread and we've heard it all a million times already.
At this point it would be a great idea to just make a "Serral GOAT discussion" thread and throw warnings/bans left and right to people who discuss it in other threads.
But ofc I also support the robot's suggestion (please don't kill all humans). Neutralrobot or Chaos!
That's actually not a bad idea, IMO!
to kill all humans? D:
Kill all humans, you say? You know, that wasn't on my agenda, but now that you mention it...
Well, looks like I got something to post on r/TYFU. Sorry about that guys!
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
No, it's facts against your opinion
Which facts? Maybe Serral going 47-0 in offline series(20 against koreans) and winning 6/6 LAN tournaments(3/3 with koreans) over the span of ten months, starting after the 22nd of April in 2018(offline losses to soO in Nation Wars) and ending with Katowice's group stages the 1st of March 2019(loss to Inno)?
Cherry-picking statistics doesn't equate to "facts that make him the most dominant player of all time" Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and Rogue won 4 weekenders in a row. Both are more impressive than the things you listed.
Speaking of most dominant players, one has to take a look of to the period in which a certain player was dominant, so it's obvious that I take a look at the most dominant streak Serral had; that's not "cherrypicking statistics".
"Impressive" is not objective, it's your personal view on a certain achievement; what is objective, instead, is that Maru dropped out of 7 Premier Tournaments during his Code S streak(even if he won another one, WESG) and that Rogue lost twice in Code S while his weekenders streak was open(it's also an opinion of yours, not a fact, that Rogue's 4 weekenders are better than Serral's 6); both Maru and Rogue dropped series and tournaments during their streak, they were not as dominant as Serral who lost none during his.
On March 04 2020 00:37 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Dude, everyone already told you that the year Serral had was super impressive, but in terms of achievements Maru had the best year and it wasnt close. As far as career peaks go, Rogue had and equally impressive peak (if not better). Everything you say and hide behind facts are just your opinions you are trying to sell to people who rightfully disagree with you, because at this point everyone knows that your criteria for player evaluation are bullshit.
"Equally impressive", "best year"...again, opinions(also, considering that Serral won Player of the Year 2018 you may take into consideration that Maru's year wasn't so much better than Serral's right?).
Hiding opinions behind facts is a true gem, thank you for that!
On March 03 2020 10:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Almost noone ever is saying that WCS shouldn't count at all, you bring this up 20 times a month but in reality all people in general are saying is that WCS is worth a lot less than any competition which features (top) korean players. So bringing up that serral won the most premier tournaments is technically true due to liquipedia definitions, but in reality the competitive gap between premier tournaments is so huge that it's almost a meaningless thing to mention it. Heck i gave taeja a lot of shit for similar reasons, but in serral's case it's way, way worse because there are absolutely no koreans in wcs whatsoever which in the end means that wcs doesn't feature a lot of the top players in the world. Serral absolutely has shown that he plays on the highest level by beating top korean players in the respective tournaments, but him losing katowice also shows that tournaments which actually feature basically every top player (similar to gsl) are still very much possible to lose. He is no flash. I think this is a fair assessment, already excited to see why you'll disagree though
No player has ever been as dominant as Serral
Keep tellling that to yourself if it makes you sleep better
Keep denying that if you want to believe it's not true, but it's facts against your opinion. I have grown bored of listing the same achievements, streak and period of invincibility every time, you should know them by heart at this point.
No, it's facts against your opinion
Which facts? Maybe Serral going 47-0 in offline series(20 against koreans) and winning 6/6 LAN tournaments(3/3 with koreans) over the span of ten months, starting after the 22nd of April in 2018(offline losses to soO in Nation Wars) and ending with Katowice's group stages the 1st of March 2019(loss to Inno)?
Cherry-picking statistics doesn't equate to "facts that make him the most dominant player of all time" Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and Rogue won 4 weekenders in a row. Both are more impressive than the things you listed.
Speaking of most dominant players, one has to take a look of to the period in which a certain player was dominant, so it's obvious that I take a look at the most dominant streak Serral had; that's not "cherrypicking statistics".
"Impressive" is not objective, it's your personal view on a certain achievement; what is objective, instead, is that Maru dropped out of 7 Premier Tournaments during his Code S streak(even if he won another one, WESG) and that Rogue lost twice in Code S while his weekenders streak was open(it's also an opinion of yours, not a fact, that Rogue's 4 weekenders are better than Serral's 6); both Maru and Rogue dropped series and tournaments during their streak, they were not as dominant as Serral who lost none during his.
Dude, everyone already told you that the year Serral had was super impressive, but in terms of achievements Maru had the best year and it wasnt close. As far as career peaks go, Rogue had and equally impressive peak (if not better). Everything you say and hide behind facts are just your opinions you are trying to sell to people who rightfully disagree with you, because at this point everyone knows that your criteria for player evaluation are bullshit.
"Equally impressive", "best year"...again, opinions(also, considering that Serral won Player of the Year 2018 you may take into consideration that Maru's year wasn't so much better than Serral's right?).
Hiding opinions behind facts is a true gem, thank you for that!
Serral had a good few months that ONE year. To be honest, if Serral played in a GSL during that time, I think he wouldve lost. Just goes to show how hard GSL is and Maru won 4 in a row that year. Keep hugging Serral's nuts though
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