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Pandemona
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Poll: Who Advances To BlizzCon? Dark & soO (55) SpeCial & DarK (42) ShoWTimE & Dark (19) SpeCial & ShoWTimE (6) soO & SpeCial (4) soO & ShoWTimE (3) 129 total votes Your vote: Who Advances To BlizzCon? (Vote): Dark & soO | ||
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TentativePanda
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Either way, SpeCial fighting!! EDIT: Decided to have some fun and predict the scores SoO 3-2 Special Dark 3-0 Showtime Dark 3-0 SoO Showtime 3-2 Special Showtime 3-2 SoO | ||
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sudete
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Dark and soO gogogogo | ||
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dbRic1203
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Special Soo 3-0 Soo Showtime 2-3 Dark Special 3-0 Special Showtime 2-3 | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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Or Dark and Special advances. | ||
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On October 23 2019 14:05 yht9657 wrote: Dark and soO, looking forward to all-Zerg semis so I can spend the time doing something else. Imagine somehow making soO and Dark beating MajOr and Showtime about Zerg being strong :[ | ||
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dbRic1203
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On October 23 2019 15:42 Die4Ever wrote: I'm really curious what kind of shape soO will be in, he could go 4-0 or 0-4 or anything in between lol As it s BO5, I gues both 6-0 and 0-6 are pretty unlikely. But even in Bo3, a 4-0 would be pretty unlikely I gues. I m expecting him to bomb out to Showtime and Special. That would also save Dark from revealing his hopefully sharpend ZvZ allready | ||
Poopi
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On October 23 2019 15:42 Ej_ wrote: Imagine somehow make soO and Dark beating MajOr and Showtime about Zerg being strong :[ I would call both ShoWTimE and SpeCial kinda favored against soO | ||
BisuDagger
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True_Spike
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Harris1st
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On October 23 2019 16:31 BisuDagger wrote: I just want to post that the real Starcraft 2 god is Pandemona who has been delivering on LR threads for almost a decade now. Let's all give a massive thanks to this timeless fan! Thanks Pandemona!!! All hail Pande!  The funniest thing is, when you call him out for not delivering a LR thread in time, he actually feels guilty about it Seriously though, you are awesome Pande! Dark 3:1 Showtime soO 2:3 Special Dark 3:1 Special soO 1:3 Showtime Special 1:3 Showtime Dark and Showtime advance | ||
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MarianoSC2
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Dark 3:0 Showtime soO 3:2 Special Dark 1:3 soO Special 3:2 Showtime Special 1:3 Dark soO and Dark advance | ||
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WombaT
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On October 23 2019 16:31 BisuDagger wrote: I just want to post that the real Starcraft 2 god is Pandemona who has been delivering on LR threads for almost a decade now. Let's all give a massive thanks to this timeless fan! Thanks Pandemona!!! Doing God’s work Pandemona! Anyone know if the first person streams that Afreeca host will be being used for these games? | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 23 2019 16:31 BisuDagger wrote: I just want to post that the real Starcraft 2 god is Pandemona who has been delivering on LR threads for almost a decade now. Let's all give a massive thanks to this timeless fan! Thanks Pandemona!!! Another star for Pandemona! | ||
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Pandemona
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True_Spike
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On October 23 2019 21:50 Wombat_NI wrote: Doing God’s work Pandemona! Anyone know if the first person streams that Afreeca host will be being used for these games? There are first person streams on Afreeca?! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On October 23 2019 22:51 True_Spike wrote: There are first person streams on Afreeca?! Yeah they’re great, think the IDs are afgsl3, 4 5 and 6. They had them for his season of GSL as well as GSL vs the World | ||
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Nakajin
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How much talkcraft do you think there will be? Because if it's a Blizzcon like situation I'm going to bed, but if it's a WCS style broadcast I might stay up the catch the first games. | ||
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Harris1st
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On October 23 2019 23:12 Nakajin wrote: Guys I need your advice, broadcast start at 23h00 for me, and IDK if I'm better staying up or getting up early. How much talkcraft do you think there will be? Because if it's a Blizzcon like situation I'm going to bed, but if it's a WCS style broadcast I might stay up the catch the first games. Well, I couldn't go to bed midgames so I would nap till 23 and then watch all night EDIT: I've done it countless times this way, Superbowl for example starts somewhere around 2 am in EU. So I take a (long) nap and then watch and then go to bed and start my day late  | ||
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FuRong
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Dark 3-0 Showtime SoO 1-3 Special SoO 3-1 Showtime Dark 3-0 Special SoO 1-3 Special | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
On October 23 2019 23:12 Nakajin wrote: Guys I need your advice, broadcast start at 23h00 for me, and IDK if I'm better staying up or getting up early. How much talkcraft do you think there will be? Because if it's a Blizzcon like situation I'm going to bed, but if it's a WCS style broadcast I might stay up the catch the first games. Normally in these situations I would nap a bit before (as long as I could), then load up on caffeine throughout the tournament. Worked fine during MLG era and there was quite a bit more downtime back then than nowadays  | ||
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Garnet
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Edit: Oops, was looking at Blizzcon schedule. | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 24 2019 02:31 Garnet wrote: Are the times wrong? Blizzard says tournament starts in 30 mins. The show start in 30 min, the games start in 9 and a half hour, see they need to give time for the caster to explain all the incredible story line of this tournament and building up the hype by reminding us that the level of play has never been higher and that this should be the best tournament off all time. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 03:39 Noonius wrote: what an amazing broadcast time for people here in EU Now you know what Americans have to go through to watch gsl lol | ||
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Pandemona
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Edit - Guess i will put a VOD link in OP actually for this purpose. | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 24 2019 05:39 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: 5AM is a bitch. Don't know how to manage this to be honest. 5AM is ok, just wake up at 6-6h30 you won't have miss much actual gameplay, I advise making your set up tonight and watching it in bed if you can, it make for the best kind of morning. Plus at like 8 or 9 it's over and you can go on with your productive day. Except if you're one of those who go to bed at 2-3 AM, then you're fucked. | ||
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Poopi
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Sorry SpeCial I won’t be able to watch you qualify live | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 06:39 Poopi wrote: Shit there are people in the house for some table games, can’t go to sleep yet. Sorry SpeCial I won’t be able to watch you qualify live choosing friends over starcraft....smh | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On October 24 2019 05:39 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: 5AM is a bitch. Don't know how to manage this to be honest. Welcome to NA's world | ||
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fgonzo
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Soo 1-2 Special Dark 2-0 Special Soo 2-1 Showtime Special 2-1 Soo Dark and Special advance | ||
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mierin
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On October 24 2019 06:01 Nakajin wrote: 5AM is ok, just wake up at 6-6h30 you won't have miss much actual gameplay, I advise making your set up tonight and watching it in bed if you can, it make for the best kind of morning. Plus at like 8 or 9 it's over and you can go on with your productive day. Except if you're one of those who go to bed at 2-3 AM, then you're fucked. It makes my heart glad that Europeans finally have to understand what watching GSL is like for NA. | ||
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Nakajin
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Super hype tho!!! | ||
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Noa Greenini
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On October 24 2019 11:51 mierin wrote: It makes my heart glad that Europeans finally have to understand what watching GSL is like for NA. EU and I'm used to waking up 5 in the morning for many years to watch SC2, which regularly begin early! Excited to be awake :-D | ||
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On October 24 2019 09:25 fgonzo wrote: Dark 2-0 Showtime Soo 1-2 Special Dark 2-0 Special Soo 2-1 Showtime Special 2-1 Soo Dark and Special advance Bo5 this time in all groups! | ||
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MoDiV
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On October 24 2019 12:25 Brutaxilos wrote: Are they seriously going to hype all 16 players up before the first game starts? Get ready for a whole lot of talking | ||
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Nakajin
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Wait, wait, wait did Kaelaris just said they aren't talking about group A right now cause this is the preshow? Are we still an hour away from a game? | ||
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Brutaxilos
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I wish they would tell us when the ACTUAL matches start. I don't need a recap of 2019, I've seen them all. Also why don't they just hype the players in this group today? Why do they have to hype the other 3 groups......... | ||
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geokilla
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On October 24 2019 12:27 Nakajin wrote: Artosis is giving Heromarine the Clive treatment. Wait, wait, wait did Kaelaris just said they aren't talking about group A right now cause this is the preshow? Are we still an hour away from a game? GSL games don't start till 1PM KST in Fridays so that would make sense... On October 24 2019 12:30 Brutaxilos wrote: I wish they would tell us when the ACTUAL matches start. I don't need a recap of 2019, I've seen them all. Also why don't they just hype the players in this group today? Why do they have to hype the other 3 groups......... A lot of people only watch the big things. Like I'm watching Worlds even though I don't really follow LoL during the year, just catching games here and there. The recap is useful for casuals. | ||
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Tamagoshi
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 Hope they start soon | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 12:30 geokilla wrote: GSL games don't start till 1PM KST in Fridays so that would make sense... A lot of people only watch the big things. Like I'm watching Worlds even though I don't really follow LoL during the year, just catching games here and there. The recap is useful for casuals. GSL groups aren't bo5 though. | ||
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fronkschnonk
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This group is really tough for me. I'd like to cheer for everyone. The coolest storyline would probably be soO winning the whole thing just like he did it in Katowice. | ||
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Topin
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On October 24 2019 12:38 geokilla wrote: 10 minute break. Looks like Blizzard wants the ad revenue by making this a minimum 8 hour stream. delicious battle chest points | ||
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Noocta
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Like I can't tell why it sounds weird. But it does | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Best Terran (Special) agree best Protoss???? NO, that title belongs to Neeb | ||
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Anc13nt
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On October 24 2019 12:49 Noocta wrote: That announcer is.. kind of weird. Like I can't tell why it sounds weird. But it does I know what you mean... they sound kind of robotic. | ||
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Solar424
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https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft_kr | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 13:06 Solar424 wrote: Korean stream is 3 minutes ahead btw https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft_kr Every stream except for the English one is. | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:08 BerserkSword wrote: inb4 xain0n makes us eat crow beat me to it lol | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:11 Rob-Zero wrote: That version of Showtime is what i want to see. Looked a lot like peak Showtime. peak showtime is just sick like the german stats | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:14 Nakajin wrote: Am I insane or does the observing doesn't seem like the GSL one? its WCS style | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 13:19 argonautdice wrote: That was pretty funny tbh idk how people play protoss tbh. one small error/bad stroke of luck and the game ends from what i can tell everything just collapses | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:20 Noocta wrote: The 1 hp thing is frustrating to see, but you have to think that you can prevent that by not losing the third oracle to begin with Agreed, he should've gg'ed right after losing that oracle. | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:20 BerserkSword wrote: idk how people play protoss tbh. one small error/bad stroke of luck and the game ends from what i can tell everything just collapses We just cry internally every time an error like this happens. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On October 24 2019 13:20 Tsubbi wrote: Shouldnt showtime have been much closer to storm when the first swarmhost attack arrived? Or does he skip it deliberately with this build? He didn't even research storm ever in game 1 so i'm gonna say no | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 24 2019 13:19 seemsgood wrote: ouch ...dude just ended the game with only one locusts wave Ya Showtime really crumble instantly, I get that nydus-SH is hard but he totally lost it when the first SH wave hit, didn't pull the probe, let all the ling into the main and wasn't ready back at the third for the second wave. It probably wasn't a winning position for anyone but still it wasn't a great response. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 13:22 OsaX Nymloth wrote: We just cry internally every time an error like this happens. i remember last year when stats lost a game to serral in the finals because his adept was 1 pixel off in the wall off so dumb | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 13:22 Nakajin wrote: Ya Showtime really crumble instantly, I get that nydus-SH is hard but he totally lost it when the first SH wave hit, didn't pull the probe, let all the ling into the main and wasn't ready back at the third for the second wave. It probably wasn't a winning position for anyone but still it wasn't a great response. what was wrong with his response protoss just struggles vs nydus and high dps free units | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 24 2019 13:24 BerserkSword wrote: what was wrong with his response protoss just struggles vs nydus and high dps free units He could have pulled the probes away at the third and deal with the lings better. It doesn't solve his problem of a thousand locus knocking at the doors, of course just his response to pressure that didn't seems the best to me. Could have last another 30-40 second  (Well it seemed like it to me I don't really know) See he almost made it all the way to dying to BL there | ||
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AzAlexZ
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just remove swarm hosts please, or nydus | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 13:32 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Swarm Hosts were a mistake to ever be made Nydus was a bigger one. | ||
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Topin
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i guess next game will be the same if it goes long enough | ||
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AzAlexZ
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nydus should only be able to spawn on areas with creep? then it's just like the ones in BW | ||
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BronzeKnee
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It's almost like someone should have warned Blizzard... Oh wait I did during the HOTS beta! Swarm Hosts are a disaster. I think that is it for me watching the Global Finals, I've seen enough. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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On October 24 2019 13:34 BronzeKnee wrote: Tasteless is right, Dark made the adjustment... he built Swarm Hosts. It's almost like someone should have warned Blizzard... Oh wait I did during the HOTS beta! Swarm Hosts are a disaster. I think that is it for me watching the Global Finals, I've seen enough. Somewhere Firecake wakes up in his bed, all tingly. | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:33 AzAlexZ wrote: nydus should only be able to spawn on areas with creep? then it's just like the ones in BW Or maybe add a cooldown on nydus spawn like recall..? | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:34 blooblooblahblah wrote: I love how we used to think this build was allin, meanwhile Dark has a greater spire building. Well zerg can do literally everything behind this. Even spelling "GG" with hatcheries in the middle of the map. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 13:29 Nakajin wrote: He could have pulled the probes away at the third and deal with the lings better. It doesn't solve his problem of a thousand locus knocking at the doors, of course just his response to pressure that didn't seems the best to me. Could have last another 30-40 second (Well it seemed like it to me I don't really know) idk man showtime seemed to have phenomenal response to me. maybe not stats or trap level but he did everything he could imo. it just sucks to watch protoss vs nydus. wtf are they supposed to do? | ||
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emperorofwild
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a successful multi task-much more powerful than a nuclear missile a unsuccessful one-lost 50/50，all unit are safe that's nydus | ||
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emperorofwild
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On October 24 2019 13:35 sudete wrote: Really want to see an all-zerg ro4 just to see how viewership holds up that too far man！I guess 3 of 4！ XD | ||
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Brutaxilos
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On October 24 2019 13:35 yht9657 wrote: Or maybe add a cooldown on nydus spawn like recall..? Why not just make each pair of locusts cost like 5 minerals? 20 Swarm Hosts would still only cost 100 minerals to spawn a fleet of locusts. They'd still only need to kill like a Zealot or 2 probes to justify the cost. | ||
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On October 24 2019 13:35 FuRong wrote: Showtime seems scared to attack. There was a decent window before the SH came out where Dark had overdroned and had basically nothing, but Showtime just postured around without actually attacking. I think he wanted to attack when Dark was in the middle of getting his fourth up and then turned around. Maybe he wanted to force some units or maybe he didn't think it was safe to attack up that ramp. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On October 24 2019 13:35 FuRong wrote: Showtime seems scared to attack. There was a decent window before the SH came out where Dark had overdroned and had basically nothing, but Showtime just postured around without actually attacking. There's no such thing as attack timings with 3 oracle unless you have prepared a timing (aka. the stats attack). You can't just attack in this matchup, and if it gets held then you absolutely lose to the SH nydus. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On October 24 2019 13:35 yht9657 wrote: Or maybe add a cooldown on nydus spawn like recall..? and also make it a require hive | ||
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sudete
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Void rays are so bad. | ||
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Musicus
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gotta go sadly | ||
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Topin
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On October 24 2019 13:59 F1rstAssau1t wrote: So how do i claim the XP that is being given in the stream? Do i have to link my account or something? to your bnet acc | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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And it's SH Nydus combo wombo again. Why ShowTime. | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:05 Andi_Goldberger wrote: dark made a bad choice losing 16 drones to oracles for no reason Well its not really no reason, you won't have spores for it given hwo the early game went. edit : seems like showtime let Dark breathe just enough for him to transition into hydra lurker now, so probably over. | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
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Seem like i got it now, thx. Btw, does the warchest comes included with the blizzcon virtual ticket? O those are 2 completely separate buys? | ||
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edit: ok nvm | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:07 RiZu wrote: Fuck these map pools...so many spots for SH. God this is just disgusting to watch Winter's Gate isn't even good for swarmhosts (unlike say Thunderbird). But with the flight range that locusts have, there's no such thing as a map that's truly bad for swarmhosts. | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:12 Noocta wrote: I really hate the fact they had to create Adaptive Talon to make Lurkers good in this game. They really didn't have to. Lurkers were fine before (apart from the time to get a lurker den upgraded from the hydra den). Whether you see them or not is just entirely dependent on if hydras are popular. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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But hey that was entertaining actually. | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote: They really didn't have to. Lurkers were fine before (apart from the time to get a lurker den upgraded from the hydra den). Whether you see them or not is just entirely dependent on if hydras are popular. It's still silly a siege long range aoe unit can move and reposition 4 times as fast as a siege tank. | ||
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Pandain
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You just have to make timings | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 14:15 Noocta wrote: It's still silly a siege long range aoe unit can move and reposition 4 times as fast as a siege tank. Preaching to the choir. Tell that to Blizzard not me (and maybe also tell them that 10 range lurkers are a silly idea). | ||
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NotSoHappy
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also fuck sh lol | ||
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AzAlexZ
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god this is fuking bullshit, Blizzard man the fuk up and nerf Zerg please User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:19 AzAlexZ wrote: 'practiced hard' stfu Dark your race is broken don't even try Okay you should calm down | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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On October 24 2019 14:18 AzAlexZ wrote: Dark played so bad but luckily his race has FUKING BROKEN UNITS god this is fuking bullshit, Blizzard man the fuk up and nerf Zerg please I salute your valiant effort and I will shed a single tear when moderation comes in. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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I would but watching this is making me so mad, like Blizzard should have nerfed zerg after GSL ST but like????? broken race man | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:25 HeroSandro wrote: GG Showtime! I hope the whole global finals won't be all about how IMBA zerg is. People complaining all the time takes some enjoyment out of the finals... It's only going to get worse when Serral wins. | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 24 2019 14:24 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Also worth noting, outside of cannon rush in last game, every other game was basically same build order. Go stargate or die. Wonderful world of PvZ for years now. Go stargate | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:25 blooblooblahblah wrote: LR threads become r/starcraft quality whenever Blizzcon comes around. ^ this | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 14:24 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Also worth noting, outside of cannon rush in last game, every other game was basically same build order. Go stargate or die. Wonderful world of PvZ for years now. Eh I'll disagree there. There are definitely a bunch of other openers in PvZ nowadays--Showtime just didn't go for them. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 24 2019 14:21 Rob-Zero wrote: Really felt sad for Showtime here, i think he should have won that game. Swarmhosts are just disgusting in my eyes, they rarely produce great games and in combination with Nydus they are absolutely broken. On October 24 2019 14:21 Monochromatic wrote: It is incredibly stupid how the turtling player can have complete map control. On October 24 2019 14:24 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Also worth noting, outside of cannon rush in last game, every other game was basically same build order. Go stargate or die. Wonderful world of PvZ for years now. Welcome to SC2, a game where balance is everywhere it shouldn't be. 'oh Zerg won 3 tournaments in a row?' 'Let's nerf Protoss and Terran..... and buff Zerg' 'Hmm, Terran and Protoss won one tournament?' 'Let's nerf Protoss and Terran..... and buff Zerg' | ||
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like not even big nerfs--> Nydus goes to hive, and so do swarm hosts. Everything else is fine, these two units are broken, before it was Infestors and now it's nydus/SH. Like PLEASE, Blizzard SH free units? FINE. Nydus no CD? FINE. PUT THEM ON HIVE, so when Zerg gets to it, they'd actually have to do something in the game to cripple the Terran or Protoss or make them super behind to fight. that's good game-play. But Zergs don't have to do anything, Dark NEVER crippled Showtime before the Locusts came out, then one wave, and Showtime is DEAD. Like????? How is this good game-play??? I'm sorry mods, warn me all you want, but this is just disgusting. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
why don't they let the GSL production crew take over? | ||
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Tamagoshi
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On October 24 2019 14:36 Die4Ever wrote: what's with this downtime? long interview after just the first match in a group, then a 10 minute break, now more talking... why don't they let the GSL production crew take over? Yeah, I think spending more time discussing the previous games may be acceptable before the winners matches since the guy who just played would have more time to rest and prepare, but for the second match is just too much... | ||
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Poaktree
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I'm sure in the next super secret meeting that Blizzard CEO has with TL mods, they will discuss your concerns and come up with proper nerfs. You can stop posting now. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On October 24 2019 14:39 Tamagoshi wrote: Yeah, I think spending more time discussing the previous games may be acceptable before the winners matches since the guy who just played would have more time to rest and prepare, but for the second match is just too much... we're literally almost at 30 minutes between games, and these are fresh players so they shouldn't need a break if they keep this pace up, they'll never do Blizzcon top 8 in just 1 day lol | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:35 AzAlexZ wrote: I apologize for ruining anyones viewing experiences, but there are some things that do not deserve to have words minced, and currently this iteration of Zerg is both bs and disgusting, and nerfs on one or two things might make it better. like not even big nerfs--> Nydus goes to hive, and so do swarm hosts. Everything else is fine, these two units are broken, before it was Infestors and now it's nydus/SH. Like PLEASE, Blizzard SH free units? FINE. Nydus no CD? FINE. PUT THEM ON HIVE, so when Zerg gets to it, they'd actually have to do something in the game to cripple the Terran or Protoss or make them super behind to fight. that's good game-play. But Zergs don't have to do anything, Dark NEVER crippled Showtime before the Locusts came out, then one wave, and Showtime is DEAD. Like????? How is this good game-play??? I'm sorry mods, warn me all you want, but this is just disgusting. we get it dude! jeezzzzz... | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:43 Monochromatic wrote: My god it's nearly 2 I'm waking up in 5 hours just get the games on already. Seriously 3 hours of broadcast for a single bo5 i kinda absurd. I hope they show soO soon, I got to go to bed too | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:41 Die4Ever wrote: we're literally almost at 30 minutes between games, and these are fresh players so they shouldn't need a break if they keep this pace up, they'll never do Blizzcon top 8 in just 1 day lol And to be completely honest, even though I don't hate these discussions, most of the time they are kinda boring and I just mute and do something else. | ||
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FataLe
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On October 24 2019 14:45 darklycid wrote: I love how pig Said you Just have to be aggressive without mentioning the 15 Defensive lurkers You know what means. Showtime just had to play like Maru obviously. | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:44 Nakajin wrote: Seriously 3 hours of broadcast for a single bo5 i kinda absurd. I hope they show soO soon, I got to go to bed too Not just absurd, bizzare by now. Like what is even going on? xD | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 14:47 sudete wrote: Hopefully this series will not be a balance fest TvZ is noticeably more balanced than PvZ (though that isn't saying much). | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:47 Noa Greenini wrote: Not just absurd, bizzare by now. Like what is even going on? xD To be fair, it was a really long series. They just had a long preshow as well and like half hour in breaks | ||
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Die4Ever
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edit: over 30 minutes, nearly 35 | ||
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On October 24 2019 14:51 Die4Ever wrote: did anyone time that break? lol edit: over 30 minutes, nearly 35 I think the worst part is that they showed a countdown until SpeCial vs soO but we then went to post game talk of the previous game. Could have at least made a seperate countdown for that since it will probably happen after each game. | ||
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Monochromatic
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I'm surprised he didn't focus down the lair, that would really prevent any corruptors for a while. | ||
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am i missing something? | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:00 Andi_Goldberger wrote: he keeps losing bcs... major is trading efficiently so far | ||
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Who is major? | ||
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Princess | ||
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major is special's old username | ||
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Windy | ||
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CuteAngel | ||
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fgonzo
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Jesus how many names does this guy have? | ||
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Special On October 24 2019 15:14 blooblooblahblah wrote: Special gave away his tricky build and failed to win the game so he's gonna be kicking himself. good build but need better execution | ||
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Britney | ||
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he just threw this game away | ||
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Day 1,443 Mutas are still bad. | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 15:31 Nakajin wrote: soO realized that he couldn't just play mass roaches, so he evolved in going mass air roaches cookies to soO for not knowing he can mass infestors | ||
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Die4Ever
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On October 24 2019 15:34 sudete wrote: soO made an infestor, the world is ending Blizzard, plz fix! | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 15:34 sudete wrote: soO made an infestor, the world is ending I think he built one or two at one point. Admittedly I think he had roughly 60 supply against 200 at that point. But yeah they were actually useful this time. Maybe it is actually a new soO. | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:37 yht9657 wrote: Can someone tell soO already infestors have a third ability that needs to be upgraded? Now we know why Blizz is removing the neural upgrade. It's to help soO. | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:40 Waxangel wrote: Ahh... looks like StarCraft :o game is only fun to watch when all top players are gone | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:44 sudete wrote: Between solar and soo, who has better late game? Is there any top zerg that has a worse late game than soO? | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is there any top zerg that has a worse late game than soO? I don't think so That was a horrendous fight | ||
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Ej_
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Highest skill era. | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 15:46 digmouse wrote: One of the shittiest game I've ever seen. its soO bad,its gud | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 15:49 Ej_ wrote: Well, can anyome brief me how Dark lost 2 games to ST? Was it the dreaded cannon rush? Not even. Too many ling/bane/roach attacks. He won the other games with Nydus/Swarmhosts ofc. | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Not even. Too many ling/bane/roach attacks. He won the other games with Nydus/Swarmhosts ofc. Ah, I'm having flashbacks to Dark vs Stats on Eastwatch | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On October 24 2019 15:51 sudete wrote: Game of the year right there Maybe if you've seen like 5 games this year | ||
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sudete
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On October 24 2019 15:52 blooblooblahblah wrote: Maybe if you've seen like 5 games this year I feel like even for a person who has only seen 5 games this year, this would be one to forget | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On October 24 2019 15:52 Ej_ wrote: Ah, I'm having flashbacks to Dark vs Stats on Eastwatch He arguably should have lost the series too but got a sneaky nydus in the last game | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 15:49 Ej_ wrote: Well, can anyome brief me how Dark lost 2 games to ST? Was it the dreaded cannon rush? no. showtime played like a god. in fact i think ST outplayed dark overall showtime lost a game because a nydus was left with 1hp because an oracle ran out of energy and then the nydus swarm host damage just snowballed from then the one game st cannon rushed he lost. and that game lasted like 30 minutes showtime played like a beast | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
On October 24 2019 15:49 Ej_ wrote: Well, can anyome brief me how Dark lost 2 games to ST? Was it the dreaded cannon rush? Dark did stupid builds (not SH/Nydus) in two games. ST played super well, absolutely deserved to win game 5 and nearly did. | ||
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On October 24 2019 15:52 blooblooblahblah wrote: Maybe if you've seen like 5 games this year Awesome game checklist: It's super long The map splits in half You see awesome lategame units like BC There's an awesome 200 vs 200 fight in the middle The foreigner wins CHECKS OUT TO ME | ||
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sudete
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On October 24 2019 15:54 Ej_ wrote: Awesome game checklist: It's super long The map splits in half You see awesome lategame units like BC There's an awesome 200 vs 200 fight in the middle The foreigner wins CHECKS OUT TO ME Don't forget 30 pointless nukes that kill about half a dozen creep tumours | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On October 24 2019 15:54 Ej_ wrote: Awesome game checklist: It's super long The map splits in half You see awesome lategame units like BC There's an awesome 200 vs 200 fight in the middle The foreigner wins CHECKS OUT TO ME Ok you got me, the terran won too which automatically puts it in hall of fame | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 24 2019 15:54 Ej_ wrote: Awesome game checklist: It's super long The map splits in half You see awesome lategame units like BC There's an awesome 200 vs 200 fight in the middle The foreigner wins CHECKS OUT TO ME So second best game this year after Scarlett vs Maru then. | ||
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yht9657
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On October 24 2019 15:56 Ej_ wrote: Oh it's the hellbat marauder, the shitty ravager build of Terran Except it's actually pretty good. | ||
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Ej_
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The mapmakers ruined Starcraft again! | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 15:56 Ej_ wrote: Oh it's the hellbat marauder, the shitty ravager build of Terran still worked tho my man major got a good start again | ||
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U A N I T OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! | ||
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Ej_
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On October 24 2019 15:58 Monochromatic wrote: I went to the bathroom after that 40 minute game and missed game 3, what happened? soO lost to a scouted marauder/hellbat | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 15:58 blooblooblahblah wrote: soO is really good at losing to builds that literally no-one else in the world loses to not even nitro boost ovies could save soO a better early game at this rate...A instant global creep spread may be | ||
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RealityTheGreat
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On October 24 2019 15:54 Ej_ wrote: Awesome game checklist: It's super long The map splits in half You see awesome lategame units like BC There's an awesome 200 vs 200 fight in the middle The foreigner wins CHECKS OUT TO ME Stats vs Serral Assembly Summer 2019 Game 2 Very long Map splits in half and stick on Stats' front line All kinds of lategame units such as Carrier Mothership Tempest but they couldn't beat infestors 200 vs over 200 army(spore infested terrans) Serral won. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 16:01 pzlama333 wrote: Btw, Raven's AAM has a bug that does not affect splash damage at all. Liberator would suffer the most against corruptor. Strictly speaking only some types of splash damage are bugged (including libs and tanks, but not hellions). | ||
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RealityTheGreat
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Please not play lategame | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 16:01 pzlama333 wrote: Btw, Raven's AAM has a bug that does not affect splash damage at all. Liberator would suffer the most against corruptor. 99.99% players dont know about this fact i bet! | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:06 seemsgood wrote: 99.99% players dont know about this fact i bet! I sure didn't. | ||
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sudete
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On October 24 2019 16:07 Durnuu wrote: How the fuck do you manage do finish only one and a half bo5 in 4 hours, wtf Have to pay a price to watch the game of the year and 2 hours of breaks | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 16:07 Durnuu wrote: How the fuck do you manage do finish only one and a half bo5 in 4 hours, wtf By adding 50 minutes of talking at the start, a half hour of downtime between series, and some extra downtime between games. | ||
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Poopi
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Trying to have the perfect waking hour for tomorrow games, how long was first bo5 and how much downtime was there? | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: By adding 50 minutes of talking at the start, a half hour of downtime between series, and some extra downtime between games. WCS lel | ||
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Nakajin
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On October 24 2019 16:09 Poopi wrote: How come we are only there after 4hours? Trying to have the perfect waking hour for tomorrow games, how long was first bo5 and how much downtime was there? About an hour of gameplay, like 3 hours of downtime | ||
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BerserkSword
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On October 24 2019 16:05 RealityTheGreat wrote: Stats vs Serral Assembly Summer 2019 Game 2 Very long Map splits in half and stick on Stats' front line All kinds of lategame units such as Carrier Mothership Tempest but they couldn't beat infestors 200 vs over 200 army(spore infested terrans) Serral won. lategame zerg beating lategame cucktoss doesnt count | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
It was recently mentioned on the TL how raven is bugged. Need to read them bug reports in general. If you won't read it how can you expect Blizzard reading it? | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:12 deacon.frost wrote: It was recently mentioned on the TL how raven is bugged. Need to read them bug reports in general. If you won't read it how can you expect Blizzard reading it? I don't expect anything from Blizzard nowadays | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 24 2019 16:12 deacon.frost wrote: It was recently mentioned on the TL how raven is bugged. Need to read them bug reports in general. If you won't read it how can you expect Blizzard reading it? Blizz knows because someone reported it on the battle.net forums. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
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On October 24 2019 16:12 Ej_ wrote: Maybe Dark and soO agreed to go 3-2 to max the despair out So why Blizzard change group match into BO5? I don't understand. | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:12 deacon.frost wrote: It was recently mentioned on the TL how raven is bugged. Need to read them bug reports in general. If you won't read it how can you expect Blizzard reading it? You're making a really big assumption that I care 1 bit about what Blizzard does to Starcraft 2. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4526 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:08 sudete wrote: Have to pay a price to watch the game of the year and 2 hours of breaks which was game of the year | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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It was only ironically the game of the year, so don't worry about it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:14 Ej_ wrote: You're making a really big assumption that I care 1 bit about what Blizzard does to Starcraft 2. Need moar smilies the next time then xD | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:17 Ej_ wrote: Wow awful banshee defense vs terrible hellion control, truly a suspenful series. Nah dude zerg players have gotten so good at defending banshees and hellions over the years | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 16:13 Durnuu wrote: I don't expect anything from Blizzard nowadays On October 24 2019 16:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Blizz knows because someone reported it on the battle.net forums. the best way to gain s.o s attention is not giving a fuck | ||
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Cricketer12
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On October 24 2019 16:07 Durnuu wrote: How the fuck do you manage do finish only one and a half bo5 in 4 hours, wtf WCS PRODUCTION HYPE! | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:17 BerserkSword wrote: how does nathanias not know that mines are more effective against protoss than against zerg...wtf?? They deal extra to shields, but I wouldn't call mines more effective when comparing the match-ups. | ||
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pzlama333
United States282 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:12 deacon.frost wrote: It was recently mentioned on the TL how raven is bugged. Need to read them bug reports in general. If you won't read it how can you expect Blizzard reading it? I made 2 post on Bug Report section of the official forum along with a few other bugs, some of them from the new balance test mod: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/6-bugs-including-carrier-hydralisk-zealot-raven-and-beam-type-weapon-units https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/sc2/t/bugs-of-the-new-test-balance-patch They surely read it and fixed the hydralisk attack speed bug, which is also the easiest to fix. | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 24 2019 16:18 Ej_ wrote: Well soO is like 17 workers up bow so I'm gonna say the foreigner dies. idk man he made mutas | ||
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FataLe
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peak sc2 | ||
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seemsgood
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On October 24 2019 16:20 Ej_ wrote: It's because his 4th hatchery was late. SoO looks like crap. but i still think soO wont shoO himself this time because major didnt mech it happen | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On October 24 2019 16:20 FataLe wrote: both players supply blocked and panic build 3x supply peak sc2 yeah that never happened at the highest level before in BW or SC2, before october 2019 | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: They deal extra to shields, but I wouldn't call mines more effective when comparing the match-ups. my bad. i meant in mine drops on mineral lines, which is what nathanias was talking about mine drops on probe lines are so much more effective than against drone lines | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4526 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:22 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah that never happened at the highest level before in BW or SC2, before october 2019 never ever mate | ||
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deacon.frost
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Only Zest! | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4526 Posts
never forget dropping 8 gates to deplete bank. run out of money to make units out of gates. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:26 FataLe wrote: never forget dropping 8 gates to deplete bank. run out of money to make units out of gates. Zest macro is famous for a reason! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
And now I can go to bed, go me! | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
I'm going to sleep now (3 hours of sleep, yay!) but I'm hoping for rogue/showtime advancing. If showtime plays as well as he did vs rogue, I don't see how soO wins. | ||
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MarthTV
Germany387 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:28 Monochromatic wrote: I think the better player won in that series. Special had plenty of opportunities to win. I'm going to sleep now (3 hours of sleep, yay!) but I'm hoping for rogue/showtime advancing. If showtime plays as well as he did vs rogue, I don't see how soO wins. Rogue? Maybe you really should get some sleep :D | ||
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Ej_
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On October 24 2019 16:28 seemsgood wrote: imagine letting soO win with 2 shittest units in zerg s arsenal ... I think both are still better than the lurker, which finds use only against Zerg itself | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:28 Monochromatic wrote: I think the better player won in that series. Special had plenty of opportunities to win. I'm going to sleep now (3 hours of sleep, yay!) but I'm hoping for rogue/showtime advancing. If showtime plays as well as he did vs rogue, I don't see how soO wins. dark is playing not rogue | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:29 Ej_ wrote: I think both are still better than the lurker, which finds use only against Zerg itself wait until you see g5 showtime vs dark | ||
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seemsgood
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wait until you see zest outdoing himself at throwing game | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:29 Ej_ wrote: I think both are still better than the lurker, which finds use only against Zerg itself Lurkers are pretty good when they get built (as seen on Winter's Gate between Showtime and Dark). | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:32 Fango wrote: Just woke up anything spicy so far? showtime vs dark and soo vs special were sick the whole way through | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:29 Ej_ wrote: I think both are still better than the lurker, which finds use only against Zerg itself Lurker is the unit for lower leaguers. Get hive, get insta-burrow, create mucho lurkers, do heroic run under the enemy army, burrow, lose to flying units (on the more serious side - in lower leagues the insta burrow decimates army really well) | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I read there was a lot of downtime, when did Dark vs Showtime actually start? Showtime playing well and bringing Dark to g5 is a pleasant surprise, Special losing to soO in one apparently sloppy series is not. I hope Dark's ZvZ is good enough to bring down soO(not much more, to be completely honest). | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On October 24 2019 16:36 Xain0n wrote: Hello everyone! I read there was a lot of downtime, when did Dark vs Showtime actually start? Showtime playing well and bringing Dark to g5 is a pleasant surprise, Special losing to soO in one apparently sloppy series is not. I hope Dark's ZvZ is good enough to bring down soO(not much more, to be completely honest). about 4 hours ago, it was a long series | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:44 Ej_ wrote: Of course g2 was Maynarde's favorite cant go wrong with metal rock and mech combo | ||
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On October 24 2019 16:49 am0k wrote: Showtime should have won the first series, he played better than Dark. This is music to my ears. | ||
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Durnuu
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E: Korean ZvZ lul | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 16:57 Durnuu wrote: Imagine being a progamer and dying to the most standard ZvZ pressure E: Korean ZvZ lul i mean that korean's zvz took 150k usd from serral | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:04 BerserkSword wrote: i mean that korean's zvz took 150k usd from serral He only shares his ID with that soO. He took from Serral way less than that, Serral wasn't playing that well and he might have lost anyway. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:06 Xain0n wrote: He only shares his ID with that soO. He took from Serral way less than that, Serral wasn't playing that well and he might have lost anyway. u might have me eating crow with how showtime played vs dark | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3127 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3127 Posts
Edit: whoops double post. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:12 BerserkSword wrote: u might have me eating crow with how showtime played vs dark Hahah just believe in DIE MAUER! | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:35 NoS-Craig wrote: The first three games go to game 5. I wasn't expecting that. I've gotten used to seeing 3-0 so often. imagine all series goes to game 5 on blizzcon it will fxxk up that lame 1-day schedule so bad. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On October 24 2019 17:48 BerserkSword wrote: 6 hrs in and we are only 3/5 of the series are over.... Certainly wasn't expecting this. Sure, there are breaks and ads, however with clean 3-0's I'm sure this would be over already. | ||
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swarminfestor
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
I’m not sure if I should wake up early tomorrow trying to catch Serral vs Maru or if 8h is gonna be the perfect hour. I don’t expect TIME - Maru to last long so this is tricky. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
it's tough staying awaka after boring ass zvz tho... | ||
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JoeCool
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HolydaKing
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On October 24 2019 17:51 Poopi wrote: I’m not sure if I should wake up early tomorrow trying to catch Serral vs Maru or if 8h is gonna be the perfect hour. I don’t expect TIME - Maru to last long so this is tricky. Are you even sure it happens? Still very possible for Maru to get #1 and Serral lose the first match against Stats. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:54 HolydaKing wrote: Are you even sure it happens? Still very possible for Maru to get #1 and Serral lose the first match against Stats. since everyone is wiating for it, it wont happen | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:51 Poopi wrote: I’m not sure if I should wake up early tomorrow trying to catch Serral vs Maru or if 8h is gonna be the perfect hour. I don’t expect TIME - Maru to last long so this is tricky. The last man on TL.net who still believes we're getting a Serral v Maru Bo5 | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On October 24 2019 17:54 HolydaKing wrote: Are you even sure it happens? Still very possible for Maru to get #1 and Serral lose the first match against Stats. Well in that case I'm happy either way. I just want to see Maru qualify (if possible in first place) so there is hope for a terran win at BlizzCon! | ||
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BerserkSword
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Durnuu
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On October 24 2019 18:06 BerserkSword wrote: i might pass out if i sit here and here anything more about zvz ffs You don't enjoy Maynarde's high level analysis? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 24 2019 18:15 Poopi wrote: Do you guys see the winner of SpeCial / ShoWTimE beat soO? It's not that unlikely. | ||
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France12909 Posts
I expect it to happen but they might be tired from playing each other. The good thing is that they know it's vZ next, whereas soO is unsure about the match-up he is gonna play Hoping for my boy SpeCIal to make it | ||
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MarthTV
Germany387 Posts
Fight for that German final :D | ||
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HolydaKing
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On October 24 2019 18:44 NoS-Craig wrote: I always think Protoss has a chance to win when I see Disruptors. It's not wrong, but it depends on the micro of the terran. They can be shut down brutally OR lead to insane comebacks. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 24 2019 19:18 blooblooblahblah wrote: Tough group for Special, I really think he could've 3-0'd soO but execution just wasn't quite there today. As always, he brought some sick builds. Yeah, I realy expected him to beat soO. In my eyes soO is by far the weakest player in this group, due to his bad form in the last couple of month | ||
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MajiN1
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Sad to see Major loosing like that he didn't play bad but he had better time for sur Now gogo showtime kick some koreans to show to the entire world that Europe is in the place ! | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 24 2019 19:30 MajiN1 wrote: The foreign terran dream lays on Gabe's shoulders now but his group is not easy for terran... Sad to see Major loosing like that he didn't play bad but he had better time for sur Now gogo showtime kick some koreans to show to the entire world that Europe is in the place ! Technically there s still Time, but yeah.. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 24 2019 19:35 dbRic1203 wrote: Technically there s still Time, but yeah.. No Heromarine? | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On October 24 2019 19:35 dbRic1203 wrote: Technically there s still Time, but yeah.. That does seem very technically with that group from hell, but yes.. | ||
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Forge is the best PvZ opening. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On October 24 2019 20:04 digmouse wrote: Roach based army against immortals goes down exactly as everyone expected. At first it looked sorta close because the immortals were targeting the many queens, which is terrible. | ||
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On October 24 2019 20:21 sudete wrote: soO and Dark aren't even abusing it perfectly. Wait till we see Serral vs Stats tomorrow I can't wait | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 24 2019 20:21 sudete wrote: soO and Dark aren't even abusing it perfectly. Wait till we see Serral vs Stats tomorrow unless he is drunk,my boiii stats is better at defending dat nydus nonsense strat better than anyone because the strat itself aint invincible but if you fail to defend the 1st wave ? prepare for the worst | ||
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darklycid
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User was warned for this post | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
Last place in the group? I don't think so!! | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4965 Posts
On October 24 2019 20:36 darklycid wrote: Pvz is in the worst state since 2012. Noup, worst was +2 blink stalker forcefield in 2015 | ||
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Germany387 Posts
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Ej_
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On October 24 2019 20:36 darklycid wrote: Pvz is in the worst state since 2012. Yeah, Showtime goes 2-3 vs adark and 1-3 vs soO, because PvZ is brolen :/ The 12pool is just too strong! | ||
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Singapore3054 Posts
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deacon.frost
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darklycid
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On October 24 2019 20:37 Ej_ wrote: Yeah, Showtime goes 2-3 vs adark and 1-3 vs soO, because PvZ is brolen :/ The 12pool is just too strong! I agree nerf zerglings! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 24 2019 20:36 swarminfestor wrote: Korean Zergs will dominate the scene again. *Zerg. Why do they have to be korean? Swarmcon is coming. | ||
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Penev
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anyway 2/2 bets | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On October 24 2019 20:41 Penev wrote: this was more about gap than zerg me thinks anyway 2/2 bets agree. | ||
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Penev
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On October 24 2019 20:41 DieuCure wrote: Voting for Korean players is 8/8 guaranteed. I mixed in one serral | ||
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darklycid
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1. be insanely active around the map and defend all nydus(es?) or 2. go for a push and be aggressive. This leads to the zerg being able to do fake nydus as soO did game 1 or just do the nydus sh like they normally did or a roach nydus (which doesnt work that much acutally). That means if you try defend zerg has free roam and probably better lategame. And if you attack the moment zerg holds your push, they can instantly counter with the nydus while toss tries to rebuild expensive units. It's just way too much of a strategic limitation brought upon the matchup. AH yes and it's completely unfun to watch nydus sh but that's just an imo. edit: not to say it's unbeatable but it's just beyond me that one (unit/building) is allowed to dominate the meta in a matchup like that. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On October 24 2019 13:39 Mlord wrote: Welcome to the most imbalanced blizzcon we've had since the release of heart of the swarm, great fun incoming Would Protoss win if Charge did 30 damage upon impact again? | ||
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HeroSandro
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 Edit: This is all sarcasm. Not sure if it would be obvious in the current climate.... | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Showtime and Special did not have a chance today, lets be real here guys. Only EU Zergs could beat Korean Zergs in this day and age of SC2... | ||
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United Kingdom158 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On October 24 2019 21:49 MarianoSC2 wrote: soO lost to Dark? For me that is the most surprising result from today... I guess soO ZvZ is not what is used to be huh, because Dark is seriously terrible at it. Terrible? Dark's ZvZ rating is 2nd highest in Korea, and is 120 points above soO's. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 24 2019 22:48 tigon_ridge wrote: Terrible? Dark's ZvZ rating is 2nd highest in Korea, and is 120 points above soO's. Dark's ZvZ rating on Aligulac is carried hard by his overall rating(and, especially, by his ZvT). soO hasn't been winning many ZvZ in this patch, too. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On October 24 2019 22:59 Xain0n wrote: Dark's ZvZ rating on Aligulac is carried hard by his overall rating(and, especially, by his ZvT). soO hasn't been winning many ZvZ in this patch, too. Aren't vP / vZ / vT ratings independant of each other? Especially considering global rating is just the mean of vP/vT/vZ ratings. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On October 24 2019 22:59 Xain0n wrote: Dark's ZvZ rating on Aligulac is carried hard by his overall rating I don't understand what this statement means. Moreover, Dark went 3-0 against soO recently. A 3-2 score is hardly surprising. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On October 24 2019 21:49 MarianoSC2 wrote: soO lost to Dark? For me that is the most surprising result from today... I guess soO ZvZ is not what is used to be huh, because Dark is seriously terrible at it. Showtime and Special did not have a chance today, lets be real here guys. Only EU Zergs could beat Korean Zergs in this day and age of SC2... I don't know why you say Dark is terrible at it. Some of the best ZvZ I can ever recall seeing was Dark vs soO. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 24 2019 23:01 Poopi wrote: Aren't vP / vZ / vT ratings independant of each other? Especially considering global rating is just the mean of vP/vT/vZ ratings. They are not completely independant, no. If only one of two matchups are played in a certain period, the other(s)' rating will vary; look at Serral's rating history, for example: in the last period, he played only vsP and vsZ but his vsT rating increased as much as his overall rating(the average between his vsP and vsZ increase). Alternatively, check his list 234: Serral went 4-0 in ZvZ and all of his ratings increased by the amount his vsZ did. Edit: Now that I think of it, this just doesn't feel right. This way racial specific ratings can influence each other, and I believe this is happening on a regular basis. Specifically, on Serral's list 234, why would all of his rating increase by 15 if his vZ did? His vP and vT should stay the same while his overall rating should increase by 1/3 of the amount. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 24 2019 23:25 Xain0n wrote: They are not completely independant, no. If only one of two matchups are played in a certain period, the other(s)' rating will vary; look at Serral's rating history, for example: in the last period, he played only vsP and vsZ but his vsT rating increased as much as his overall rating(the average between his vsP and vsZ increase). Alternatively, check his list 234: Serral went 4-0 in ZvZ and all of his ratings increased by the amount his vsZ did. Edit: Now that I think of it, this just doesn't feel right. This way racial specific ratings can influence each other, and I believe this is happening on a regular basis. Specifically, on Serral's list 234, why would all of his rating increase by 15 if his vZ did? His vP and vT should stay the same while his overall rating should increase by 1/3 of the amount. I Think, the guys behind Alligulac desidet to programm it this way, because if someone becomes an better played over all, but didn t Play all matchups equally, the Ratings would also be strong. For example, if an EU Zerg gets way better over like 1 year,because je goes full time, but plays way more vs Z than vs P and bearly any vsT, his Rating now reflects that he s stronger over all. With your method, the vsT Rating would be much worse and the vs Z Rating much better than his over all Rating. But that would be strong, as the Player just got better over all, no matter the match up. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7088 Posts
SH + Nydus is just disgusting to watch in general I rather watch ZvZ all day than another ZvP with SH/ Nydus at this point. And we just started | ||
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Northern Ireland26265 Posts
Good to see soO isn’t a total busted flush too | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
I don’t think he can make it a lot further though. | ||
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Anc13nt
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On October 25 2019 00:42 Harris1st wrote: Just catched up with the games today. Damn I feel Showtime could (should?) have won that game 5 vs Dark. What a shame. SH + Nydus is just disgusting to watch in general I rather watch ZvZ all day than another ZvP with SH/ Nydus at this point. And we just started yeah I was surprised they thought Showtime was doomed for a short while. I thought Dark was in a poor position when his nydus attack began to fizzle out. | ||
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Anc13nt
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On October 25 2019 01:14 Poopi wrote: Yeah soO proved worthy of his IEM spot today. I don’t think he can make it a lot further though. yeah I can't see him winning lategame against other top players. He approaches lategame too much like the midgame, trying to surround/outmaneuver the enemy with a lot of mobile units instead of taking advantage of zerg's really strong spellcasters. | ||
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United States6565 Posts
On October 25 2019 09:59 travis wrote: Well this will probably make some korean elitists gasp, but I thought that Showtime looked like he played the best overall of anyone in the group. Sure, he made some bad mistakes in a couple games, but so did they all. In general, he was having to work way harder because of the maps and matchup, but looked more impressive while doing it. i wholeheartedly agree | ||
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