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Harris1st
Germany7410 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On April 24 2019 23:17 Nakajin wrote: I mean it's whoever on TL voting for who they think are the greatest player ever. I think the title is pretty representative of that, it's also the very definition of a popularity contest. I mean the Oscar are a popularity contest (between a limited number of people) for what is the greatest film in the last year, but they don't call it :"the academy most popular film" they call it: The academy best film choice" Indeed, you are right. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
popular but nowhere-near-GOAT status players like scarlett and special are included, but Life isnt lol | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On April 23 2019 20:33 Acrofales wrote: Hard to say. Depends on what greatness means to you. Which line is greater? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/bXIMw1W.png) Blue line is obviously greater Peak = most important aspect there's a reason Michael Jordan, who would be the blue line, is considered the GOAT basketball player, and not Karl Malone, who would be the red line | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27404 Posts
On April 25 2019 06:01 BerserkSword wrote: this is why i never bothered participating in this thread. popular but nowhere-near-GOAT status players like scarlett and special are included, but Life isnt lol It’s ‘He who should not be named’ I’m torn in separating the greatness of his play vs what he did, and I’m sure many aren’t even torn at all. He did the worst thing you can do in eSports, especially in a game which isn’t as big as it was at his peak. I think it’s a fair omission. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On April 25 2019 06:51 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s ‘He who should not be named’ I’m torn in separating the greatness of his play vs what he did, and I’m sure many aren’t even torn at all. He did the worst thing you can do in eSports, especially in a game which isn’t as big as it was at his peak. I think it’s a fair omission. I mean the only thing that matters to me is skill/talent/ability What he did obviously warranted the consequences he faced, but it does not take away from his talent and ability as a player. He rigged the games he lost, not the games he won. His dominance is undeniable. It's the same reason savior is still a bonjwa i just dont undestand how you can ignore a pinnacle of the game for the simple fact that he was unethical in a way that has nothing to do with his mastery of SC2 | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On April 25 2019 06:06 BerserkSword wrote: Blue line is obviously greater Peak = most important aspect there's a reason Michael Jordan, who would be the blue line, is considered the GOAT basketball player, and not Karl Malone, who would be the red line Jordan didn't just have nothing then a short lived peak, he was the best for a long time. That is not an apt comparison at all. And I'm a huge Jazz fan. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On April 25 2019 15:19 Phredxor wrote: Jordan didn't just have nothing then a short lived peak, he was the best for a long time. That is not an apt comparison at all. And I'm a huge Jazz fan. Plus if we're talking Basketball Both Kobe and Lebron are renowned for just how long they dominated (or have been dominating) aren't they? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7410 Posts
On April 25 2019 09:26 BerserkSword wrote: I mean the only thing that matters to me is skill/talent/ability This sentence is what this thread is about. This is what matters to you specifically. To me for example it is not just about that. It's about more. It's about what they have done for this game. For esports. And that is why I would never vote for Life in anything but "who is the greatest matchfixer of all time" The Jordan analogy is really bad and not accurate at all btw | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27404 Posts
On April 25 2019 16:40 Harris1st wrote: This sentence is what this thread is about. This is what matters to you specifically. To me for example it is not just about that. It's about more. It's about what they have done for this game. For esports. And that is why I would never vote for Life in anything but "who is the greatest matchfixer of all time" The Jordan analogy is really bad and not accurate at all btw eSports aren’t the NFL, or the English Premier League etc either. Unless it was a matchfixing scandal of insane proportions those are giant institutions culturally and monetarily, the whole leagues aren’t really under threat if some scandal happens. eSports, not so much, and SC2 isn’t even the top dog there. A few big sponsor pullouts would have a real huge impact on the entire professional scene. Made much more disappointing because Life was a great player. Pro gaming even now is exceptionally hard, requires a lot of sacrifice of other things and many full-time players don’t exactly make much money. While I wouldn’t give those folks a pass by any means, it’s that much worse when a leading light of a scene that he’s earned decent money from does such a thing. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On April 25 2019 15:19 Phredxor wrote: Jordan didn't just have nothing then a short lived peak, he was the best for a long time. That is not an apt comparison at all. And I'm a huge Jazz fan. I just used Jordan vs Malone as a general example. Obviously it isnt as exaggerated as the red vs blue lines in the chart posted. But Jordan was the best player for only about a third of his career. Malone's peak never reached jordan's but he had an almost 20 year career with almost all of them being at least above average with many being MVP caliber and you can count jordan's rookie year and his stint with the wizards as "nothing" the bottom line is that peak is so important. If you dont want to use jordan then use hakeem - peak hakeem is what keeps him higher on the all time list than a guy like malone who was consistent but never peaked that high On April 25 2019 16:40 Harris1st wrote: The Jordan analogy is really bad and not accurate at all btw no it's not | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
On April 24 2019 07:50 Nakajin wrote: New matches! ... Match 11: Former CJ  herO vs  Scarlett herO: 3 IEM, 1 Kespa Cup, 1 GSL, 1 ST, the smiling assassin came to the forefront of the scene with stellar IEM performance, master of all in and timing as well as macro play with heavy harass and multitask, ace of the CJ Entus proleague time for almost all their seasons, the only shadow on his resume is his lack of results in GSL, well that and the shadow in the corner of his main where 2 gateway are. Scarlett: 1 IEM, Northcon and HSC finalist, and 2 time ATC winner, the women with more fans than perhaps anyone in the scene as her games almost never disappoint to be entertaining, she has stayed one of the best foreign player for almost half a decade.Just a heads up that TLPD link for herO actually leads to Liquid HerO :p Just sayin' in case someone would think they're voting for another player. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On April 25 2019 21:10 AlgeriaT wrote: Just a heads up that TLPD link for herO actually leads to Liquid HerO :p Just sayin' in case someone would think they're voting for another player. Damn I've be had, someone actually click it.  Couldn't make to liquipedize as CJ herO and was to lazy to look for another post to copy paste his code, gonna fix it when I get home lol. But thanks for looking out for others. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7410 Posts
On April 25 2019 22:17 Nakajin wrote: Damn I've be had, someone actually click it. Couldn't make to liquipedize as CJ herO and was to lazy to look for another post to copy paste his code, gonna fix it when I get home lol. But thanks for looking out for others. I demand a revote! + Show Spoiler + Scarlett can't lose  | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
herO[jOin], that always works for having the correct TLPD for herO. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
To be honest though, if people actually thought that was liquid hero and we now redid it Scarlett would probably be oven more outclassed =P | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On April 26 2019 03:51 Shuffleblade wrote: To be honest though, if people actually thought that was liquid hero and we now redid it Scarlett would probably be oven more outclassed =P HOW DARE YOU!? + Show Spoiler + Naw, you’re probably right. Still rooting for Scarlett though. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 25 2019 09:26 BerserkSword wrote: I mean the only thing that matters to me is skill/talent/ability What he did obviously warranted the consequences he faced, but it does not take away from his talent and ability as a player. He rigged the games he lost, not the games he won. His dominance is undeniable. It's the same reason savior is still a bonjwa i just dont undestand how you can ignore a pinnacle of the game for the simple fact that he was unethical in a way that has nothing to do with his mastery of SC2 And judging by skill/talent/ability you don't think that Scarlett or Special are among the 128 best players to touch the game? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 26 2019 03:51 Shuffleblade wrote: To be honest though, if people actually thought that was liquid hero and we now redid it Scarlett would probably be oven more outclassed =P yeah I think liquid HerO was a more popular player than herO, I still think herO was overall the better player | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On April 26 2019 02:27 HolydaKing wrote: Simply use herO[jOin], that always works for having the correct TLPD for herO.Oh thanks! | ||
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