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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain880 Posts
November 03 2018 22:39 GMT
#781
Serral looking like the better player here, I hope Rogue brings his AAA game next or this is over for him.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 03 2018 22:39 GMT
#782
Why cant we watch a single bo5 without a fucking break in between?
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany459 Posts
November 03 2018 22:39 GMT
#783
On November 04 2018 07:37 TheDougler wrote:
Lol, I don't know if I've ever seen a Korean Idra GG timing. (I mean, it was over anyway, not one of "those" Idra GGs, but still a, "oh there's the army. GG" sort of GG.


Haha, that made me laugh :D
Dark Age of Camelot - I miss you
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
November 03 2018 22:39 GMT
#784
On November 04 2018 07:36 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Have you ever seen someone defend against Zerglings while having more Zerglings himself?! He must have a third hand!!


cmon guys if you can't see why and how this kind of multitask is impressive I dont know if you even like starcraft.

Serral comes out ahead out of every freaking ling bane war while macroing more cleanly than his opponents. He still the awareness to set up single baneling traps in commonly used paths of the map.

But yeah, he is just defending lings with more lings...
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
November 03 2018 22:39 GMT
#785
On November 04 2018 07:39 Paljas wrote:
Why cant we watch a single bo5 without a fucking break in between?


Players need a break too.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 03 2018 22:39 GMT
#786
On November 04 2018 07:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Write an article about it. Artosis will probably call you a piece of shit but it's worth it I think


Blizzard will issue a statement that Life's great ling/bane plays have been vacated.


what is a life
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Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#787
On November 04 2018 07:36 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:29 Arvendilin wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:27 Arvendilin wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:21 mierin wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:20 nojok wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:19 mierin wrote:
Serral is truly a god at ZvZ. It's at JvZ levels at this point I feel.

Lol calm down.


You're entitled to your opinion, but I remember the JvZ days and can't remember a time where someone was more ridiculous in that matchup.

JvZ was named JvZ not because he won a buch of time or because he was dominant (although that ofcourse is a necessary factor), but because he was so dominant in a match up tha lots of people before that point thought was a 50/50 toss up more or less.

It was considered the matchup where personal skill matters the least, and where basically everything is decided by which build you randomly chose without any information about your opponent at the start of the game.

This is the important factor, because naming it JvZ is so special, eventhough Protosses for a while were failing horribly against Zerg and then Bisu gets like insane winrates against them it wasn't called (usually) BvZ instead of PvZ, because everyone agreed that in PvZ skill is a factor and Bisu is just that good.

Whereas in ZvZ people agreed that skill is largely irrelevant and then suddenly JaeDong dominates it and what most people think about the MU was completely flipped on its head when he plays, it played by different rules than normal ZvZs which is why it got that name.


Bingo. In SCII there are people that are good at ZvZ, and Serral is just a better version of that. Whereas BW ZvZ was pure RNG for anyone that wasn't Jaedong.

I mean tbh I think people overstate how RNG BW ZvZ is, especially how RNG it is now, like sure its more RNG than other MU probably but it isn't AS bad as most people think it is.


Isn't Jaedong the only player with a significant amount of games to be > 70% in the match-up? Whereas all the other match-ups have a handful of players above 70%.

This has been a while now but iirc I saw someone arguing convincingly against the ZvZ is just pure luck stuff, first by analyzing winrates of different builds against eachother and then secondly by looking at Sponmatch results (which admittedly is post-KeSPA era).

And even in KeSPA there have been years where other great Zergs have had around 70% winrates.

What is important here is not that I am not saying ZvZ isn't the MOST RNG of all of them, but sometimes people overstate just how RNG it is, pretending it is literally 100% luck based while in a bo5 or bo3 the better player still generally tends to win, in bo1 tho ZvZ is an absolute nightmare.


Thing with Broodwar ZvZ though is if ur doing a different opening than the opponent (like overpool vs 12 pool for example), the disadvantage is like as big as going overpool against 14 nexus.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4009 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#788
On November 04 2018 07:39 Paljas wrote:
Why cant we watch a single bo5 without a fucking break in between?

because players need breaks
Drone is a way of living
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#789
On November 04 2018 07:39 Paljas wrote:
Why cant we watch a single bo5 without a fucking break in between?

A short break before matchpoint is perfectly fine. I remember 40 minute long breaks at matchpoints in Soulkey vs Innovation final.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#790
On November 04 2018 07:38 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Write an article about it. Artosis will probably call you a piece of shit but it's worth it I think


I've understood that gushing about Life is no longer an acceptable pastime but I'm glad casters are still full of shit so I can direct my anger at someone


life lmao
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#791
On November 04 2018 07:38 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:36 Shathe wrote:
100k watching a ZvZ xD


That's how good Serral is. His mere presence alone makes ZvZ a watchable MU


Won't it jump up more when the other streams start hosting the finals?
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#792
I may be in the minority here, but it feels bad when they're just praising Serrals hold of that last game and didn't give Rogue too much credit in game two when he held off a similar build :O
troi oi thang map nai!!!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 03 2018 22:40 GMT
#793
On November 04 2018 07:39 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Write an article about it. Artosis will probably call you a piece of shit but it's worth it I think


Blizzard will issue a statement that Life's great ling/bane plays have been vacated.


what is a life


Something that accidentally gets included in Blizzcon handbooks apparently.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#794
On November 04 2018 07:39 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:36 DBooN wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Have you ever seen someone defend against Zerglings while having more Zerglings himself?! He must have a third hand!!


cmon guys if you can't see why and how this kind of multitask is impressive I dont know if you even like starcraft.

Serral comes out ahead out of every freaking ling bane war while macroing more cleanly than his opponents. He still the awareness to set up single baneling traps in commonly used paths of the map.

But yeah, he is just defending lings with more lings...

From the thread I understand that Rogue defended with a big micro some all-in with a single queen. was this overhyped the same way? I bet it wasnt
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#795
On November 04 2018 07:39 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:36 DBooN wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Have you ever seen someone defend against Zerglings while having more Zerglings himself?! He must have a third hand!!


cmon guys if you can't see why and how this kind of multitask is impressive I dont know if you even like starcraft.

Serral comes out ahead out of every freaking ling bane war while macroing more cleanly than his opponents. He still the awareness to set up single baneling traps in commonly used paths of the map.

But yeah, he is just defending lings with more lings...


It's not that Serral isn't really good at ling-bane micro and small-scale engagements, it's that it's ridiculous and a little disrespectful to a half-dozen (+) other players to say he's somehow above and beyond anything ever seen in the history of Starcraft lol
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#796
On November 04 2018 07:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Write an article about it. Artosis will probably call you a piece of shit but it's worth it I think


Blizzard will issue a statement that Life's great ling/bane plays have been vacated.


I thought they had forgot his name...
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#797
On November 04 2018 07:34 ShAd_1337 wrote:
serral play GSL pls


Why? He is steamrolling the rest of the WCS, taking the money like taking candy from a kid.

Go to GSL and he won’t nearly have the same chances. He is perfectly taking advantage of region lock crushing non Koreans left and right getting that sweet money.
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#798
Chinese fans are input infi
Infi GG quickly on Master Collesions
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
Steroidbrucie
Profile Joined July 2018
56 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#799
has anyone ever seen a more dominant and ruthless player like serral?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 03 2018 22:41 GMT
#800
On November 04 2018 07:40 OhThatDang wrote:
I may be in the minority here, but it feels bad when they're just praising Serrals hold of that last game and didn't give Rogue too much credit in game two when he held off a similar build :O

Everyone praised ling bane wars, not actual hold.
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