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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#741
Omg this gg timing, it feels bad for rogue, antifantasy.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#742
quality gg timing
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MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#743
those banelings where epic
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#744
Anti-Fantasy GG Timing
Fezvezfez
Profile Joined October 2017
58 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#745
THAT LAST FIGHT WAS SO GOOD!
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#746
Rouge GG timing
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#747
then serral showed rogue his dick and rogue typed gg.
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#748
On November 04 2018 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:34 Mozdk wrote:
I don't...

I can't...

I've never...

ZvZ is fun?

I'm switching to Zerg.

playing ling bane is a whole different ballgame to watching ling bane


Yeah but I'll be starting out in around plat. Dw.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#749
On November 04 2018 07:33 HariSeldon wrote:
Serral is way way ahead isnt he?


In every conceivable way
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3405 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#750
TaeJa gg timing
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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#751
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Have you ever seen someone defend against Zerglings while having more Zerglings himself?! He must have a third hand!!
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#752
100k watching a ZvZ xD
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#753
On November 04 2018 07:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:29 Arvendilin wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:27 Arvendilin wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:21 mierin wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:20 nojok wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:19 mierin wrote:
Serral is truly a god at ZvZ. It's at JvZ levels at this point I feel.

Lol calm down.


You're entitled to your opinion, but I remember the JvZ days and can't remember a time where someone was more ridiculous in that matchup.

JvZ was named JvZ not because he won a buch of time or because he was dominant (although that ofcourse is a necessary factor), but because he was so dominant in a match up tha lots of people before that point thought was a 50/50 toss up more or less.

It was considered the matchup where personal skill matters the least, and where basically everything is decided by which build you randomly chose without any information about your opponent at the start of the game.

This is the important factor, because naming it JvZ is so special, eventhough Protosses for a while were failing horribly against Zerg and then Bisu gets like insane winrates against them it wasn't called (usually) BvZ instead of PvZ, because everyone agreed that in PvZ skill is a factor and Bisu is just that good.

Whereas in ZvZ people agreed that skill is largely irrelevant and then suddenly JaeDong dominates it and what most people think about the MU was completely flipped on its head when he plays, it played by different rules than normal ZvZs which is why it got that name.


Bingo. In SCII there are people that are good at ZvZ, and Serral is just a better version of that. Whereas BW ZvZ was pure RNG for anyone that wasn't Jaedong.

I mean tbh I think people overstate how RNG BW ZvZ is, especially how RNG it is now, like sure its more RNG than other MU probably but it isn't AS bad as most people think it is.


Isn't Jaedong the only player with a significant amount of games to be > 70% in the match-up? Whereas all the other match-ups have a handful of players above 70%.

This has been a while now but iirc I saw someone arguing convincingly against the ZvZ is just pure luck stuff, first by analyzing winrates of different builds against eachother and then secondly by looking at Sponmatch results (which admittedly is post-KeSPA era).

And even in KeSPA there have been years where other great Zergs have had around 70% winrates.

What is important here is not that I am not saying ZvZ isn't the MOST RNG of all of them, but sometimes people overstate just how RNG it is, pretending it is literally 100% luck based while in a bo5 or bo3 the better player still generally tends to win, in bo1 tho ZvZ is an absolute nightmare.
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#754
On November 04 2018 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 07:34 Mozdk wrote:
I don't...

I can't...

I've never...

ZvZ is fun?

I'm switching to Zerg.

playing ling bane is a whole different ballgame to watching ling bane

It's the ultimate adrenaline rush. Nothing beats a long ling/bling phase.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 22:37:17
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#755
On November 04 2018 07:35 Zealously wrote:
Serral is cool and really good but "We've never seen anything like this" about Zerg micro/defense pisses me off

Write an article about it. Artosis will probably call you a piece of shit but it's worth it I think
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
November 03 2018 22:36 GMT
#756
holy FUCk
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3414 Posts
November 03 2018 22:37 GMT
#757
Cannot even believe it. A master class.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 03 2018 22:37 GMT
#758
yay, a break.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 03 2018 22:37 GMT
#759
What was the gg timing? Imho Rogue should have ggd out when Serral had first roaches out. Instead he dragged for few more minutes.
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DubiousC2
Profile Joined June 2016
129 Posts
November 03 2018 22:37 GMT
#760
Breakcraft 2018
Manner MULE /dance
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