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jarodtou
Profile Joined July 2016
167 Posts
July 13 2018 11:00 GMT
#121
On July 13 2018 19:57 darklycid wrote:
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On July 13 2018 19:57 QzYSc2 wrote:
insert zerg balance rant

Fucking Bugs man.

=)) best comment so far.


Rly currious how special/reynor will do against serral
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
July 13 2018 11:01 GMT
#122
That was the most depressing game I've ever watched. It's so demoralising to know that you can kill 8 bases while taking zero damage and still be behind when going into the lategame.
coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
July 13 2018 11:02 GMT
#123
Wait, WHAT? I had to brb. Reynor won that shit? Was it an amove where we vastly underestimated him, or a huge comeback? This just started so it must have gone on for much longer - must have been an epic comeback, right?
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:02 GMT
#124
On July 13 2018 20:01 RaZorwire wrote:
That was the most depressing game I've ever watched. It's so demoralising to know that you can kill 8 bases while taking zero damage and still be behind when going into the lategame.


Hatcheries are cheap. The drones always lived. He never did that much damage. He was never really ahead. He went into the late game on even footing because he had a good eco, but then he kept making marine marauder instead of ghosts. You don't kill broods without ghosts.
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:03 GMT
#125
On July 13 2018 20:00 Elentos wrote:
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On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote:
On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote:
On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:
On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote:
I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special...

SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't.


Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead

Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran.

It's a good spot if you're playing defensive and amassing ghosts. It's not as good if you make marauders against brood lords though.


Thank you
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
July 13 2018 11:03 GMT
#126
On July 13 2018 19:59 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 19:54 HsDLTitich wrote:
On July 13 2018 19:53 Fango wrote:
On July 13 2018 19:51 HsDLTitich wrote:
I have the impression that Reynor has been ahead all game long, despite Special harrassments. Casters maybe underestimated his defending or overestimated the damage dealt by Special...

SpeCial was certainly doing well in the early/midgame. But if zerg survives to hive units it's a different story. TY and Maru can manage it, SpeCial can't.


Despite Special attacks, Reynor have always had more workers, until the late game (at one point they were 91-81 workers for Reynor). Economically he's been way ahead in the early game, despite the harrassments. And now he's enjoying that economical lead

Not quite true, they were both on 75-80 workers for a good portion of it, and SpeCial was keeping up on expansions with the zerg. That's generally a good spot for terran.


I meant, before the late game and during all the early and mid game Reynor has always been economically ahead, with more workers and despite the harrassment. I just mean that Special didn't deal enough damage with his early attacks, or Reynor just managed to keep his cool and got a better macro anyway.
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Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:03 GMT
#127
On July 13 2018 20:02 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
Wait, WHAT? I had to brb. Reynor won that shit? Was it an amove where we vastly underestimated him, or a huge comeback? This just started so it must have gone on for much longer - must have been an epic comeback, right?


He was never really behind, no need for an epic comeback
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:06 GMT
#128
That was awful CC placement by special.
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
July 13 2018 11:07 GMT
#129
On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote:
He was never really ahead.


I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map.

This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
July 13 2018 11:08 GMT
#130
Watching the mini-map when Reynor bounces back and fourth his ling harass on the third is a thing of beauty.
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MarthTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany387 Posts
July 13 2018 11:10 GMT
#131
Reynor is so relentless with his agression. Its amazing to watch
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8252 Posts
July 13 2018 11:10 GMT
#132
Reymor reminds me so much of Life omg
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 13 2018 11:10 GMT
#133
lol Game over man, game over!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 13 2018 11:11 GMT
#134
On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote:
He was never really ahead.


I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map.

This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.


As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs?
mammuluk
Profile Joined February 2016
Italy94 Posts
July 13 2018 11:11 GMT
#135
Not so bad Reynor...
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raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
July 13 2018 11:12 GMT
#136
Game 1 was really overhyped by the casters, but Special didn't ever outplay Reynor who was always high on minerals\gas
Game 2 was just a stomp
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
July 13 2018 11:12 GMT
#137
On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote:
He was never really ahead.


I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map.

This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.


Lol, Reynor had a solid worker lead until he hit 80 drones. Just because the terran attacks in several locations doesn't entitle them to the lead. Special did put himself in a spot to win that game though, but he never went above 3-4 ghosts. He kept making marine marauder, so of course he lost to broods. The matchup is fine, the only disgusting thing right now is your bias
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
July 13 2018 11:12 GMT
#138
On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:


As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs?


"It's ok that the game is imbalanced, because it was previously imbalanced in a different direction".

God, I hate that logic.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 13 2018 11:13 GMT
#139
On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:07 RaZorwire wrote:
On July 13 2018 20:02 Vedeynevin wrote:
He was never really ahead.


I know. That's what I'm saying. That's the depressing part. Killing bases doesn't do anything. Trading better doesn't do anything. Killing drones (which he did, plenty of them) doesn't do anything. Reynor still had a better army AND a better bank, despite taking damage for 20 minutes straight without setting foot on Special's side of the map.

This matchup is fucking disgusting right now.


As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs?

Super lategame being (damn near) unbeatable for one race is just as disgusting as it is for the other.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 13 2018 11:13 GMT
#140
On July 13 2018 20:12 RaZorwire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:11 Kommander wrote:


As disgusting as it was back then when Terrans just massed Ravens and AA missiled the shit out of Zergs?


"It's ok that the game is imbalanced, because it was previously imbalanced in a different direction".

God, I hate that logic.


See the thing with your logic is, back then it was imbalanced, but now it's not.
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