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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 23 2017 11:31 GMT
#41
to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.

the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
September 23 2017 14:35 GMT
#42
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote:
to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.

the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.

The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 23 2017 15:14 GMT
#43
On September 23 2017 23:35 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote:
to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.

the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.

The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?

he said it was smaller than the gap between a low GM and a top foreigner, not that it was small
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
September 24 2017 13:14 GMT
#44
On September 24 2017 00:14 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2017 23:35 geokilla wrote:
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote:
to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.

the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.

The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?

he said it was smaller than the gap between a low GM and a top foreigner, not that it was small


But that's false. I mean, both gaps are large, but KW is clearly exaggerating.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
September 24 2017 20:35 GMT
#45
On September 24 2017 22:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 00:14 Ej_ wrote:
On September 23 2017 23:35 geokilla wrote:
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote:
to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.

the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.

The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?

he said it was smaller than the gap between a low GM and a top foreigner, not that it was small


But that's false. I mean, both gaps are large, but KW is clearly exaggerating.

no he's right
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PengWin_SC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Switzerland433 Posts
September 25 2017 09:03 GMT
#46
I'd say the gap is more similar to like, Plat 3 --> ~130 GM and ~130 GM --> top foreigner being about the same. Obviously Bronze is an overexaggeration, but it's a massive skill gap regardless
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
September 25 2017 10:02 GMT
#47
Agreed ^^ That seems a lot more fair.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 25 2017 10:04 GMT
#48
There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the skill gaps in the low levels. Obviously, it's difficult for me to compare with the "GM to pros" gap, but the idea of Bronze - GM gap being somehow "small" is absurd. I am low Diamond and I am pretty sure a "genuinely" Bronze player (that is someone who has not tanked their MMR on purpose, not is Bronze just after placement and ready to climb quickly) would never take a game off me. I even think I can win almost 100% games against a common Gold player, if I am told in advance I am playing a Gold player, allowing me to play super safe and thus avoid any cheeses - against a fellow diamond, such play would leave me too vulnerable to macro builds, but that doesn't matter against a Gold player. Between 130 GM and Bronze, you can probably fit 4-8 levels of "A will always beat B will always beat C ...", so the gap is really immense.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-25 10:23:49
September 25 2017 10:23 GMT
#49
On September 25 2017 19:04 opisska wrote:
There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the skill gaps in the low levels. Obviously, it's difficult for me to compare with the "GM to pros" gap, but the idea of Bronze - GM gap being somehow "small" is absurd. I am low Diamond and I am pretty sure a "genuinely" Bronze player (that is someone who has not tanked their MMR on purpose, not is Bronze just after placement and ready to climb quickly) would never take a game off me. I even think I can win almost 100% games against a common Gold player, if I am told in advance I am playing a Gold player, allowing me to play super safe and thus avoid any cheeses - against a fellow diamond, such play would leave me too vulnerable to macro builds, but that doesn't matter against a Gold player. Between 130 GM and Bronze, you can probably fit 4-8 levels of "A will always beat B will always beat C ...", so the gap is really immense.

They are talking about skill gap, not who can beat who in head to head gap.

The learning curve (in term of time spent playing) of starcraft 2 is logarithmic I would say, so you don't need much time to go from bronze to top master / low GM, but it takes A LOT of time and dedication to go from low GM to being a threat for other pros in competitions.
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dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
October 16 2017 02:18 GMT
#50
how did this go yall?
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
October 16 2017 03:34 GMT
#51
On October 16 2017 11:18 joon wrote:
how did this go yall?


It was a while back, but Major wipe the floor with him, playing all three races.
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