During Montreal, PengWin got into an argument saying matches played from the Korean server to US West are entirely invalid because
Even I could beat someone like MajOr when they were playing from Korea.
I challenged PengWin saying he wouldn't even be able to take 5 games off of MajOr in a Bo39. He happily accepted the challenge, believing strongly in the power of cross server lag. MajOr heard about this and thought there was no way in hell PengWin would take that many games off of him in a Bo39, much less a Bo69.
Do cross server games hold any value or can PengWin prove his point that even he can knock out a top level player like MajOr when he plays cross server? Whose ego will be battered and bruised? Find out on the grudgematch!
Major will win easily, I don't even think I could win 20% be major. USW ping from KR is usually only like 120ish, maybe 150 max. 150 is annoying but it doesn't destroy your play.
On September 18 2017 06:23 intotheheart wrote: PengWin might be able to take a game with some really hilarious cheese though, you never really know. Although statistically he's gonna get thrashed.
I intend to get absolutely thrashed by an exact scoreline of 5-19
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On September 23 2017 12:54 geokilla wrote: Shouldn't the games be held in US Central or US East since PengWin is in US East? I live in Toronto and the ping to US West is around 100ms.
Ravi's kinda just going with the "latency" thing as a storytelling mechanism, which is fine. Major and I both agreed to West. I do have about a 60 ping advantage (90 to 150) so it's still kinda an advantage, if not so large
On September 23 2017 12:54 geokilla wrote: Shouldn't the games be held in US Central or US East since PengWin is in US East? I live in Toronto and the ping to US West is around 100ms.
Ravi's kinda just going with the "latency" thing as a storytelling mechanism, which is fine. Major and I both agreed to West. I do have about a 60 ping advantage (90 to 150) so it's still kinda an advantage, if not so large
Ahh. Well hope you can take a few games off of Special!
On September 23 2017 12:54 geokilla wrote: Shouldn't the games be held in US Central or US East since PengWin is in US East? I live in Toronto and the ping to US West is around 100ms.
Ravi's kinda just going with the "latency" thing as a storytelling mechanism, which is fine. Major and I both agreed to West. I do have about a 60 ping advantage (90 to 150) so it's still kinda an advantage, if not so large
Ahh. Well hope you can take a few games off of Special!
Haha, I'm doing my best! Juan's pretty decent at sc2 though
On September 23 2017 12:52 SidianTheBard wrote: what's score?
9-0
The most depressing thing is that Pengwin could do that to most of us so easily... The gap is just so freaking huge.
not depressing at all, it shows how much work and practice goes into advancing beyond the dia-master casual high level, which i think is pretty cool :D
kind of a reason for the rest of us to just relax and enjoy our rank without feeling like everyone has to think they're innovation
to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.
the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote: to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.
the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.
The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote: to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.
the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.
The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?
he said it was smaller than the gap between a low GM and a top foreigner, not that it was small
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote: to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.
the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.
The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?
he said it was smaller than the gap between a low GM and a top foreigner, not that it was small
But that's false. I mean, both gaps are large, but KW is clearly exaggerating.
On September 23 2017 20:31 KalWarkov wrote: to people saying "easy to win 5 games" - those ppl clearly dont understand level.
the step from bronze to low-mid gm is smaller then the step from low-mid gm to top 10 foreigner. to win 5 games out of 25 consistantly, you have to be a stable high gm player.
The skill gap between me playing at 4000MMR vs an opponent at 4800MMR is already huge... Why would you say bronze to low GM is a small skill gap?
he said it was smaller than the gap between a low GM and a top foreigner, not that it was small
But that's false. I mean, both gaps are large, but KW is clearly exaggerating.
I'd say the gap is more similar to like, Plat 3 --> ~130 GM and ~130 GM --> top foreigner being about the same. Obviously Bronze is an overexaggeration, but it's a massive skill gap regardless
There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the skill gaps in the low levels. Obviously, it's difficult for me to compare with the "GM to pros" gap, but the idea of Bronze - GM gap being somehow "small" is absurd. I am low Diamond and I am pretty sure a "genuinely" Bronze player (that is someone who has not tanked their MMR on purpose, not is Bronze just after placement and ready to climb quickly) would never take a game off me. I even think I can win almost 100% games against a common Gold player, if I am told in advance I am playing a Gold player, allowing me to play super safe and thus avoid any cheeses - against a fellow diamond, such play would leave me too vulnerable to macro builds, but that doesn't matter against a Gold player. Between 130 GM and Bronze, you can probably fit 4-8 levels of "A will always beat B will always beat C ...", so the gap is really immense.
On September 25 2017 19:04 opisska wrote: There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the skill gaps in the low levels. Obviously, it's difficult for me to compare with the "GM to pros" gap, but the idea of Bronze - GM gap being somehow "small" is absurd. I am low Diamond and I am pretty sure a "genuinely" Bronze player (that is someone who has not tanked their MMR on purpose, not is Bronze just after placement and ready to climb quickly) would never take a game off me. I even think I can win almost 100% games against a common Gold player, if I am told in advance I am playing a Gold player, allowing me to play super safe and thus avoid any cheeses - against a fellow diamond, such play would leave me too vulnerable to macro builds, but that doesn't matter against a Gold player. Between 130 GM and Bronze, you can probably fit 4-8 levels of "A will always beat B will always beat C ...", so the gap is really immense.
They are talking about skill gap, not who can beat who in head to head gap.
The learning curve (in term of time spent playing) of starcraft 2 is logarithmic I would say, so you don't need much time to go from bronze to top master / low GM, but it takes A LOT of time and dedication to go from low GM to being a threat for other pros in competitions.
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