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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
August 09 2017 13:03 GMT
#61
I don't get it, how do people complain about it? Kings is probably the most compelling event out there out there simply because of the format, you don't know who's coming next, you don't know who's going to be "on" that day and who might have a great run?

Stephano, iAsonu, Bunny, The story is about the underdogs and the David vs Goliath battles, sure there's always going to be a great story as well when Innovation goes on one of his runs, or the excitement when Nerchio did it. Also there's the rivalries built up through the storytelling.

And yet some people still think that it shouldn't be funded? Weird.
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droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
August 09 2017 14:00 GMT
#62
I really feel the prize format could be made a lot more exciting.
For example, I think that winner should get $400, with $100 pooled on the side until the king is defeated.

This would mean that if you beat someone on a 6 win streak, you'd get $400 + $600 from the pool, a decent bonus for knocking out a tough player.

Right now, if you manage to take down someone with 10 win streak, you get the same as taking down someone with 1 win.
$400 for a single game is still a decent amount for one win.

What's the possibility of doing something like this? I tune into this all the time and have always had this idea, but now that Blizzard is sponsoring it for a good amount, it would make things more interesting when we've got someone on a really hot streak.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 09 2017 14:04 GMT
#63
On August 09 2017 23:00 droppanda wrote:
I really feel the prize format could be made a lot more exciting.
For example, I think that winner should get $400, with $100 pooled on the side until the king is defeated.

This would mean that if you beat someone on a 6 win streak, you'd get $400 + $600 from the pool, a decent bonus for knocking out a tough player.

Right now, if you manage to take down someone with 10 win streak, you get the same as taking down someone with 1 win.
$400 for a single game is still a decent amount for one win.

What's the possibility of doing something like this? I tune into this all the time and have always had this idea, but now that Blizzard is sponsoring it for a good amount, it would make things more interesting when we've got someone on a really hot streak.

They previously did something like that but stopped for whatever reason. (I assume the loss of the Ting sponsorship)
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 09 2017 15:14 GMT
#64
On August 09 2017 23:04 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 23:00 droppanda wrote:
I really feel the prize format could be made a lot more exciting.
For example, I think that winner should get $400, with $100 pooled on the side until the king is defeated.

This would mean that if you beat someone on a 6 win streak, you'd get $400 + $600 from the pool, a decent bonus for knocking out a tough player.

Right now, if you manage to take down someone with 10 win streak, you get the same as taking down someone with 1 win.
$400 for a single game is still a decent amount for one win.

What's the possibility of doing something like this? I tune into this all the time and have always had this idea, but now that Blizzard is sponsoring it for a good amount, it would make things more interesting when we've got someone on a really hot streak.

They previously did something like that but stopped for whatever reason. (I assume the loss of the Ting sponsorship)


Yeah I think TB said very recently (maybe last night's podcast?) that the bounty system was scrapped because it was confusing for viewers.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16719 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 15:41:44
August 09 2017 15:38 GMT
#65
On August 09 2017 08:40 ClanWars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 08:34 blunderfulguy wrote:
To me, where the crux of the question lies is the method in which players are chosen to play. The volatile Bo1 format along with the seemingly random or fabricated matchmaking with an unknown pool of players are what I see as the vexing aspects of this tournament getting more money over other weekly, daily, etc. tournaments.

There's a sort of if-by-whiskey situation here. Blizzard using funds from War Chest sales to reinforce tournaments outside of Blizzcon and WCS seems like a very healthy idea. However, if only the best of the best players are taking that money home every month, then this tournament will no longer be a fun, challenging "pay players' rent tourney" and would become an unhealthy "rich get richer tourney" and defeat a lot of the purpose of the War Chest and ShoutCraft Kings.

I would love to know how players (of any and all 'tiers' and origins) feel about this tournament getting more support but I also think, as with many things, it's too early and there is too little information to say exactly what's "best" over other things that haven't been explored much, if at all. Personally, if I had to choose whether to reinforce an existing, successful event or to create something new or reinvigorate something else/something smaller, I would favor the latter options, as I believe (much more than some) that investing in smaller or newer things has a bigger impact in the long term than investing in something that is already successful and will thrive on its own. But, again, so far the tournament has been good, a good challenge and good opportunity for players of moderate-high skill level, it's fun for the community, and it's still unique within esports, so I'll still support Blizzard pumping this up more. For now, at least.


Well thankfully we know for certain that the "Best of the best" are not the only ones taking home money from this event and thats been shown in previous breakdowns in this thread of where the prizemoney went.

regarding the guys winning money...
where is the "previous breakdowns in this thread" ?
i don't see it and Boggyb provided no source.
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ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
August 09 2017 15:48 GMT
#66
We did that exact same system before, all it did was cOnfuse viewers and added nothing to the overall experience
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maikacat
Profile Joined March 2017
22 Posts
August 09 2017 16:15 GMT
#67
I love this
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
August 09 2017 16:29 GMT
#68
I think we all agree that Shoutcraft Kings provides exceptional value, it is a great tournament, a strong brand and a fun event. Should it be funded - yes of course it should. On the other hand it is already well funded, it probably has better funding than all other online tournaments globally combined with 5k $ in any given month - all Basetrade TV events, Wardi, OSC Go4Sc2, Olimoligue etc. It is a pity that Shoutcraft organizer cannot devote more time to Sc2 but that is fully understandable. It may not be a bad idea to increase the prizepool in Shoutcraft Kings to 10k, but I think the community should throw in a bunch of proposals for additional tournaments that could be organized with such funds - for example I think TakeTv + Dennis could think of some fun online event if they got there hands on 5k ;-)
JWD[9]
Profile Blog Joined November 2015
364 Posts
August 09 2017 18:11 GMT
#69
I like incontrol, usually. The timeslot just seems terrible for him, always so low energy, killing the hype. I wish they'd move the timeslot or get another cocaster, sry geoff :<
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 23:00:45
August 09 2017 21:48 GMT
#70
For example, what would you think of an online tournament in DH format open to all, played over 1-2 months or standard 3-4 days. All players would have to provide live camera feed from how they are playing (not the game itself), be available for interviews etc. volunteers would provide live translations. Community casters would cast the games and lets say Basetrade and Taketv would coordinate streams and interviews. The community has a lot of power and 5.000$ prize pool can go a long way in terms of organizing an online party.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 09 2017 22:01 GMT
#71
If anything i really want a well ran teamleague again. This wouldn't even need to be "official teams" (cause let's be real we lost some of those), it could also be simply 4-5 players forming one for the tournament (or maybe nationality based)
Proleague format to see your favorite player each match, camera feed to make it more fun and for interviews, stuff like that.

In general i think team events in general are more fun, maybe one day we will get another great one
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Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
August 09 2017 22:52 GMT
#72
All casters would do interviews on their own twitch channels. Say Incontrol, Tod, Apollo, Ravi, Wardi, Rotterdam could interview players winners/losers on their own or jointly. Lets say Nerchio wins a game they could all interview him separately and we could rate the interviews. We would just have to jump between channels.
kobe00
Profile Joined July 2015
United States4 Posts
August 10 2017 01:45 GMT
#73
Anything that puts more money in pro players pockets is good for the scene, period.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 10 2017 02:17 GMT
#74
On August 10 2017 07:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If anything i really want a well ran teamleague again. This wouldn't even need to be "official teams" (cause let's be real we lost some of those), it could also be simply 4-5 players forming one for the tournament (or maybe nationality based)
Proleague format to see your favorite player each match, camera feed to make it more fun and for interviews, stuff like that.

In general i think team events in general are more fun, maybe one day we will get another great one


Team-leagues have kinda crashed and burned a lot in the past due to scheduling concerns, how time consuming they are, no-shows and so on, so it's not surprising that tournament organizers have mostly steered clear of them and held tournaments with easier to run formats. Wardi's teamleague is the only recent example I can think of (VSL doesn't really count). And since team-leagues take so long they often fall under the radar for most of the audience. There is a small sector of the audience that really likes team-leagues a lot, but a lot of that has to do with being a fan of specific teams, which there aren't a ton of around. Impromptu teams wouldn't garner the same attention. Unfortunately I just don't see it being a smart decision for a tournament organizer to organize a team league over other events the way things are now.
ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 17:14:04
August 10 2017 09:34 GMT
#75
On August 10 2017 01:29 Kafka777 wrote:
I think we all agree that Shoutcraft Kings provides exceptional value, it is a great tournament, a strong brand and a fun event. Should it be funded - yes of course it should. On the other hand it is already well funded, it probably has better funding than all other online tournaments globally combined with 5k $ in any given month - all Basetrade TV events, Wardi, OSC Go4Sc2, Olimoligue etc. It is a pity that Shoutcraft organizer cannot devote more time to Sc2 but that is fully understandable. It may not be a bad idea to increase the prizepool in Shoutcraft Kings to 10k, but I think the community should throw in a bunch of proposals for additional tournaments that could be organized with such funds - for example I think TakeTv + Dennis could think of some fun online event if they got there hands on 5k ;-)


We also get more viewers than all the events you just listed combined, so.

The community has no say in what events get made. If an organizer wants to make an event and get it funded they should submit a convincing proposal to a sponsor or Blizzard to get it done. That's how everything we've done up until now, including the Blizzcon event, the voicepack, the upcoming unaccounced events and everything else happened.

Show some initiative and convince someone with the money to fund your thing because you're worth it. Nobody ever accomplished anything by complaining on a forum about it, go out and do it.

I remember when the community organized and made events happen. I remember when Reddit made a great tournament because they organized it and made it happen. If you want something, do like they did. Show initiative and put in the work. Go to Blizzard or another sponsor and convince them you are worth the money, that's how things happen.

If Take wants 5k, he can get 5k. No problem at all. He crowdfunds a lot of HSC these days and sponsors pay the rest. He is more than capable of that, one of the Best in SC2 at it. He gets things done. Be like Take, be the change you wanna see, don't post passive aggressive crap like 'ooooh this other person should get money'. If they want money, they can ask for it and they will.

If we pave the way for that by taking that initiative first that's good. The only reason there are caster voice packs right now is because I proposed the first one and hammered out the contract and agreement for it. It wasn't going to happen otherwise. If it sounds like I'm bragging I'm not I'm trying to encourage all of you to go out and DO, not just post
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
August 10 2017 09:54 GMT
#76
Some people will complain about anything. I bought the full warchest and I am absolutely delighted to know that some of my money will go to Shoutcraft, because it is the best online tournament there is and nobody else deserves it more, plain and simple. People insinuating that money would be better used going to Basetrade TV, Wardi etc should get a reality check, no disrespect to those guys and their valuable work for the scene, but entertainement wise, they are The Big Bang Theory reruns when Shoutcraft Kings is fucking prime time season 7 Game Of Thrones, and that's why everyone is tuning in.

I can't wait for the August event and the other projects, and I'm sure the silent majority does.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16719 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 12:07:09
August 10 2017 12:06 GMT
#77
On August 10 2017 18:54 fastr wrote:People insinuating that money would be better used going to Basetrade TV, Wardi etc should get a reality check,

how do you know that $0 is getting directed in places other than Shoutcraft? maybe it is and the orgs receiving the cash are not talking about it. BTTV rarely posts here.
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Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
August 10 2017 12:35 GMT
#78
We also get more viewers than all the events you just listed combined, so.

The community has no say in what events get made. If an organizer wants to make an event and get it funded they should submit a convincing proposal to a sponsor or Blizzard to get it done. That's how everything we've done up until now, including the Blizzcon event, the voicepack, the upcoming unaccounced events and everything else happened.

Show some initiative and convince someone with the money to fund your thing because you're worth it. Nobody ever accomplished anything by complaining on a forum about it, go out and do it.

I remember when the community organized and made events happen. I remember when Reddit made a great tournament because they organized it and made it happen. If you want something, do like they did. Show initiative and put in the work. Go to Blizzard or another sponsor and convince them you are worth the money, that's how things happen.

If Take wants 5k, he can get 5k. No problem at all. He crowdfunds a lot of HSC these days and sponsors pay the rest. He is more than capable of that, one of the SC2 at it. He gets things done. Be like Take, be the change you wanna see, don't post passive aggressive crap like 'ooooh this other person should get money'. If they want money, they can ask for it and they will.

If we pave the way for that by taking that initiative first that's good. The only reason there are faster voice packs right now is because I proposed the first one and hammered out the contract and agreement for it. It wasn't going to happen otherwise. If it sounds like I'm bragging I'm not I'm trying to encourage all of you to go out and DO, not just post



Do not take this personally, I am not saying funds assigned to your project has to be used for anything else. There are probably more funds available. I am just asking people for opinions and suggestions. I truly appreciate your work and input and the funds you managed to organize are well deserved.
ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
August 10 2017 21:16 GMT
#79
I am just asking people for opinions and suggestions.


Why though? That does nothing.

If people want to make a tournament, they should go and make a tournament. Posting about it is useless. Go do it. We weren't soliciting suggestions for this event and no sponsor is soliciting suggestions for things. It's just a pointless waste of time.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 21:56:03
August 10 2017 21:55 GMT
#80
I simply fail to understand how any fan of SC2 can think Shoutcraft getting more money is a bad thing.

There are a great many bad things about the current state of SC2, but this is definitely not one of them.
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