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On August 05 2017 19:24 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:23 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:22 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:
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It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans foreigners who could occasionally beat koreans, sure. But in 2014/15 every time a foreigner beat a good korean was a miracle. A miracle that didn't happen this tourney so far sOs no longer Korean 
good
korean
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This was a great tournament, but lost its flavor when all foreigners lost. Does anyone know, when will we see another foreigners vs Koreans tournament? BlizzCon or sooner?
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On August 05 2017 19:25 Diabolique wrote:
This was a great tournament, but lost its flavor when all foreigners lost. Does anyone know, when will we see another foreigners vs Koreans tournament? BlizzCon or sooner?
Blizzcon
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On August 05 2017 19:24 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:24 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:23 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:22 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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ok !
should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans foreigners who could occasionally beat koreans, sure. But in 2014/15 every time a foreigner beat a good korean was a miracle. A miracle that didn't happen this tourney so far sOs no longer Korean "good"
He should also not have won the vote, but he is still a good Korean, just not top 8 or so, although he did make top4 in the GSL this year already.
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On August 05 2017 19:25 Diabolique wrote:
This was a great tournament, but lost its flavor when all foreigners lost. Does anyone know, when will we see another foreigners vs Koreans tournament? BlizzCon or sooner?
shoutcrafts, then Blizzcon, I think that's all
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On August 05 2017 19:23 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran  Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch. Unless you count TLO switching from Random to Zerg, I don't remember anyone else.
MorroW
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soO is giving Dark a taste of his own medicine
hopefully we can still see some mid-late game ZvZ
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On August 05 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:11 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Lilbow vs Life left its mark on people's minds Because of what Lilbow said, though. Dark took care of Neeb and Elazer at Blizzcon just as quickly, but it never had the same impact. i took a break from the scene, what was said and what happened. lilbow life
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On August 05 2017 19:26 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:23 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch. Unless you count TLO switching from Random to Zerg, I don't remember anyone else. MorroW
He won a more tournaments as terran though!
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On August 05 2017 19:26 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:23 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch. Unless you count TLO switching from Random to Zerg, I don't remember anyone else. MorroW
I forgot he even existed
Still, no really successful switch 
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On August 05 2017 19:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:25 Diabolique wrote:
This was a great tournament, but lost its flavor when all foreigners lost. Does anyone know, when will we see another foreigners vs Koreans tournament? BlizzCon or sooner? Blizzcon
I mean there is still the team match tomorrow.
Just a lot of mirrors :/
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On August 05 2017 19:23 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch. Unless you count TLO switching from Random to Zerg, I don't remember anyone else.
nerchio began as random aslo
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how close were Neeb and Major
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On August 05 2017 19:27 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Lilbow vs Life left its mark on people's minds Because of what Lilbow said, though. Dark took care of Neeb and Elazer at Blizzcon just as quickly, but it never had the same impact. i took a break from the scene, what was said and what happened. lilbow life
said he didn't practice for it because LotV beta was out and he focused on that.
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On August 05 2017 19:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:26 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:25 Diabolique wrote:
This was a great tournament, but lost its flavor when all foreigners lost. Does anyone know, when will we see another foreigners vs Koreans tournament? BlizzCon or sooner? Blizzcon I mean there is still the team match tomorrow. Just a lot of mirrors :/
what team match?
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On August 05 2017 19:28 Alchemik wrote:
how close were Neeb and Major
Neeb was very close. Didn't see Major series but apparently it was more Stats derping in g12 and then playing serious Starcraft
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On August 05 2017 19:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:27 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Lilbow vs Life left its mark on people's minds Because of what Lilbow said, though. Dark took care of Neeb and Elazer at Blizzcon just as quickly, but it never had the same impact. i took a break from the scene, what was said and what happened. lilbow life said he didn't practice for it because LotV beta was out and he focused on that.
but who won
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On August 05 2017 19:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:27 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Lilbow vs Life left its mark on people's minds Because of what Lilbow said, though. Dark took care of Neeb and Elazer at Blizzcon just as quickly, but it never had the same impact. i took a break from the scene, what was said and what happened. lilbow life said he didn't practice for it because LotV beta was out and he focused on that.
that has a lot more flavor when you know in retrospect how amazing he did in LotVOn August 05 2017 19:29 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:28 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:27 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:
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It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Lilbow vs Life left its mark on people's minds Because of what Lilbow said, though. Dark took care of Neeb and Elazer at Blizzcon just as quickly, but it never had the same impact. i took a break from the scene, what was said and what happened. lilbow life said he didn't practice for it because LotV beta was out and he focused on that. but who won
He who must not be named + Show Spoiler + ofc
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On August 05 2017 19:29 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:28 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:27 FataLe wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:
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It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Lilbow vs Life left its mark on people's minds Because of what Lilbow said, though. Dark took care of Neeb and Elazer at Blizzcon just as quickly, but it never had the same impact. i took a break from the scene, what was said and what happened. lilbow life said he didn't practice for it because LotV beta was out and he focused on that. but who won
Life 3-0 in under 30 minutes with just lings
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