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On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans
foreigners who could occasionally beat koreans, sure.
But in 2014/15 every time a foreigner beat a good korean was a miracle.
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On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran  Notice how nobody switched to zerg
Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch.
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On August 05 2017 19:22 Musicus wrote:
how long was the game?
Artosis said 22 minutes for the series
4:27
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On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg
hardest race confirmed
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On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch.
TLO
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On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch.
Unless you count TLO switching from Random to Zerg, I don't remember anyone else.
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On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans
Not really. No foreigner has ever had the performances we've had in the past year. No foreigner could have ever won Kespa cup as Neeb did or showed half the level of play so consistently. Any bracket like this would have been 0-3 outside of maybe one or two series and this event we had like 5 close series between foreigners and truly some of the best Koreans
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On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch.
TLO
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On August 05 2017 19:22 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:22 Musicus wrote:
how long was the game?
Artosis said 22 minutes for the series 4:27
weow, so precise!
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On August 05 2017 19:22 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans foreigners who could occasionally beat koreans, sure. But in 2014/15 every time a foreigner beat a good korean was a miracle.
A miracle that didn't happen this tourney so far
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On August 05 2017 19:23 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:22 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:22 Musicus wrote:
how long was the game?
Artosis said 22 minutes for the series 4:27 weow, so precise!
I looked at the VOD 
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On August 05 2017 19:23 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote:
Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure I found Scarlett on the other hand mildly disappointing. Maybe 2018 is the right time to pull the Neeb/Classic move. or pull the ByuN move and switch to terran Notice how nobody switched to zerg Is that true ? There has to be at least one notable Z switch. Unless you count TLO switching from Random to Zerg, I don't remember anyone else.
he played terran first I think. switched to random and then to Zerg
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On August 05 2017 19:23 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:22 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans foreigners who could occasionally beat koreans, sure. But in 2014/15 every time a foreigner beat a good korean was a miracle. A miracle that didn't happen this tourney so far
sOs no longer Korean 
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SoO with slightly better micro than me on ladder.
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3 Hatch before pool after getting 13/12'd takes balls
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On August 05 2017 19:23 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:On August 05 2017 19:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
For you guys who saw 81,9% TY vs Stats, was it as close as here ? It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans Not really. No foreigner has ever had the performances we've had in the past year. No foreigner could have ever won Kespa cup as Neeb did or showed half the level of play so consistently. Any bracket like this would have been 0-3 outside of maybe one or two series and this event we had like 5 close series between foreigners and truly some of the best Koreans
except Naniwa/Stephano era ofc
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On August 05 2017 19:24 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 19:23 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:22 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:20 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:17 Parrek wrote:On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:On August 05 2017 19:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 05 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote:
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It was mostly Stats fucking up the storms in games 1 and 2 and then waking up for the rest of the games. It was close but it wasn't back and forth like here ok ! should we be allowed to think that the gap is sort of narrowing though ? In past days, you'd never get so many close 3-2 series (Special, ShoWTime, Neeb), not to mention Neeb vs sOs... Of course going full foreigner in the last game seems to still be a thing though. I think it always has been around the same the gap that is except in the very early Steph & Nani period nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected I watched the game from the beginning. There was a dip in foreigner performance, in part due to the WCS system but there have always been foreigners who could beat Koreans foreigners who could occasionally beat koreans, sure. But in 2014/15 every time a foreigner beat a good korean was a miracle. A miracle that didn't happen this tourney so far sOs no longer Korean
"good"
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On August 05 2017 19:24 Durnuu wrote:
3 Hatch before pool after getting 13/12'd takes balls
After defending 13/12 with hatch first though.
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EPT
