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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:09 sudete wrote: people say neeb could be the best foreigner, and strangely this loss convinces me more of that than any of his tournament wins... even kespa cup. Agree.And other foreigners did show good result against koreans in bo5 too. Everyone keep practicing hard and blizzcon is gonna be sick. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote: We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. that was basically the only time a foreigner beat a top korean that year (hence why it was so praised) Remember Polt and Hydra were just crushing WCS but compared to the players in korea they were average at best. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24235 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote: We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. that was a really outstanding performance and I don't think we saw a lot of similar feats, especially at the time. I think the gap was rather huge back then. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote: We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Still could't win a single premier. | ||
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raff100
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JackONeill
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:11 Elentos wrote: We also saw Snute beat the GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015. I do think we like to overstate the gap. Yeah, but it's 2017 and we still mention that because he hasn't really done anything more notable against Korea. I do agree that the gap is much closer for foreigners now. The WCS Region lock has really done a ton for the foreign scene with players like Neeb, Special, Serral, Showtime, Nerchio, and Elazer compared to Snute and Scarlett maybe being the only real ones that competed at all, and they still dropped out early most the times | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24591 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24235 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote: Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players honestly I can't wait for Blizzcon this year. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
That's definitely a very good showing | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:14 Heartland wrote: I think definitely the gap has become smaller, but that is not because foreigners got better but because the Kespa infrastructure collapsed and Koreans play worse today. This is the highest skilled era, your argument is invalid. (I agree tho) | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:10 Charoisaur wrote: nah 2014-15 the gap was so giant we saw players like Keen who were trash in korea come over and rek every foreigner. Pigbaby is your WCS NA champ. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:13 raff100 wrote: Showtime\Neeb\Seeral\Special did more than decently in this tournament. Foreignland can be proud of its players Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24235 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:14 Heartland wrote: I think definitely the gap has become smaller, but that is not because foreigners got better but because the Kespa infrastructure collapsed and Koreans play worse today. I tend to think the top foreigners did get better (by training in Korea mostly), the level of play they can show is really impressive sometimes. The point about the Korean scene is of course right though, even if players like INno are still playing out of their minds. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:14 Heartland wrote: I think definitely the gap has become smaller, but that is not because foreigners got better but because the Kespa infrastructure collapsed and Koreans play worse today. I think it's both. Just looking at the games players like Neeb, Nerchio or Elazer are playing much cleaner than previous top foreigners. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:15 Elentos wrote: Nerchio played well too. And given who iA and Scarlett played against, I don't think anyone has to be ashamed of their performance. iA was way better than the score would tell for sure | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:13 Penev wrote: that's true, foreigners lost all hope (and money) that period but this 2 foreigners doing well but drop out anyway is nothing new Not nearly this close with this many players. Two years ago Nerchio would have been wrecked early game 4 vs Dark and not go toe to toe multitasking, and he would have thrown game 3 later on in full foreigner style. A foreign performance like this would have been historical a couple years ago, but now it's great, but not entirely unexpected | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24235 Posts
On August 05 2017 19:17 Charoisaur wrote: I think it's both. Just looking at the games players like Neeb, Nerchio or Elazer are playing much cleaner than previous top foreigners. agree | ||
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