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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 04:38 GMT
#241
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 29 2017 04:40 GMT
#242
Waxangel doing the news bar at the bottom explains a lot.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 29 2017 04:41 GMT
#243
The Wax fanfic is great. Apart from Tasteless actually tuning in to watch SC2 it's very believable.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 29 2017 04:43 GMT
#244
On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though


There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge.
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
July 29 2017 04:43 GMT
#245
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:24 geokilla wrote:
Damn that was a great game by herO. Did everything perfectly. The defense, the attacks, the harass, wow.

I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid


Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes?

I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag.
But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units).
Oh well


It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that?


Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point?
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 04:44:41
July 29 2017 04:44 GMT
#246
On July 29 2017 13:43 LTCM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:24 geokilla wrote:
Damn that was a great game by herO. Did everything perfectly. The defense, the attacks, the harass, wow.

I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid


Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes?

I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag.
But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units).
Oh well


It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that?


Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point?


People will always hate Protoss. They jelly.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 29 2017 04:44 GMT
#247
On July 29 2017 13:43 LTCM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:24 geokilla wrote:
Damn that was a great game by herO. Did everything perfectly. The defense, the attacks, the harass, wow.

I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid


Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes?

I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag.
But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units).
Oh well


It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that?


Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point?


It's a design thing not a balance thing.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
July 29 2017 04:44 GMT
#248
sc2 in china isn't censored right ? Everything just blow up in your face ,nothing was cutted.
Dota 2 is no the case lol........
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 29 2017 04:45 GMT
#249
On July 29 2017 13:44 seemsgood wrote:
sc2 in china isn't censored right ? Everything just blow up in your face ,nothing was cutted.
Dota 2 is no the case lol........


Sc2 doesn't have as many skeletons to trigger the censors.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 04:46 GMT
#250
On July 29 2017 13:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though


There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge.

Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 29 2017 04:46 GMT
#251
"I love this match up" Rotterdam 2017
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 29 2017 04:47 GMT
#252
On July 29 2017 13:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though


There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge.

Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it


That sounds like the same explanation Olli gives for why HotS PvP is the best match-up.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 29 2017 04:47 GMT
#253
On July 29 2017 13:44 seemsgood wrote:
sc2 in china isn't censored right ? Everything just blow up in your face ,nothing was cutted.
Dota 2 is no the case lol........

It is censored, similar to the Korean version you can see on some of the Korean tournament stream. Mostly just removed death animation and blood. And some cutscenes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 04:48 GMT
#254
On July 29 2017 13:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:43 LTCM wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:24 geokilla wrote:
Damn that was a great game by herO. Did everything perfectly. The defense, the attacks, the harass, wow.

I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid


Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes?

I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag.
But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units).
Oh well


It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that?


Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point?


It's a design thing not a balance thing.


People in the sc2 community never wanna discuss design
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
proortoss
Profile Joined October 2016
China14 Posts
July 29 2017 04:48 GMT
#255
In the first game of the match, IA seemed to have a major lead over TY. There was a moment that I thought TY was in danger, but TY laughed to the end.
nut cracker
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 29 2017 04:48 GMT
#256
It's because Rogue hasn't been very good for some time Rotti.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
July 29 2017 04:48 GMT
#257
you can see his tears

i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
July 29 2017 04:48 GMT
#258
So Dark will beat Rogue, and then Rogue will lose in the Ro4 right? Rogue curse?
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 04:49:37
July 29 2017 04:49 GMT
#259
On July 29 2017 13:48 Brutaxilos wrote:
So Dark will beat Rogue, and then Rogue will lose in the Ro4 right? Rogue curse?


I'm no expert but that sounds unlikely.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
July 29 2017 04:50 GMT
#260
On July 29 2017 13:48 Topin wrote:
you can see his tears

https://twitter.com/MaynardeSC2/status/891158068670615552

What is dat ??
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