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Poll: TY vs iAsonu TY Wins (20) iAsonu Wins (8) 28 total votes Your vote: TY vs iAsonu Poll: Innovation vs herO Innovation Wins (17) herO Wins (11) 28 total votes Your vote: Innovation vs herO Poll: Rogue vs Dark Rogue Wins (14) Dark Wins (13) 27 total votes Your vote: Rogue vs Dark Poll: soO vs Byun soO Wins (16) Byun Wins (14) 30 total votes Your vote: soO vs Byun | ||
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TY is the clear favorite and this is a Bo5 so even if iA pulls some crazy stuff he's unlikely to take more than 2 games. Inno stomped herO 2-0 recently in SSL. Rogue's ZvZ is close to soO-level, and Dark always loses to soO. soO isn't in the finals. | ||
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 TY 3-0  iAsonuINnoVation 3-1  herO[jOin]Dark 3-2 RogueByuN 3-1 soO | ||
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best 2 terrans and best 2 zergs in the semis. | ||
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On July 29 2017 08:50 Charoisaur wrote: TY, Inno, Dark, soO best 2 terrans and best 2 zergs in the semis. Rogue > Dark fite me | ||
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Chinese audience are pretty mad about them yesterday. Edit: For those who don't know 1. No proper Chinese stream, ESL somehow provide a Chinese stream with English soundtrack. Streaming to the local website with VPN on, so the Chinese stream is very laggy. 2. No TIME's game was broadcast or staged yesterday, even the recap section in the English stream was cut into CMs in the Chinese stream. There are audience traveled thousand miles to watch these games, but result in learning their Chinese players get eliminated an hour later, on liquidpedia.... | ||
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SAVE FOREIGN STARCRAFT | ||
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On July 29 2017 10:49 usopsama wrote: Is it true that there are no Chinese casters, despite it being an event held in China? If that is true, that is pretty fucked up. no there's chinese casters and chinese audio for the crowd  | ||
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On July 29 2017 10:50 Waxangel wrote: no there's chinese casters and chinese audio for the crowd the crowd only | ||
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On July 29 2017 10:50 Waxangel wrote: no there's chinese casters and chinese audio for the crowd Hype man is more than enough. | ||
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cant even defend 2 hatches | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: how did iasonu make it to the ro8 lmao cant even defend 2 hatches By beating the last two GSL champions  | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: how did iasonu make it to the ro8 lmao cant even defend 2 hatches beating the two GSL winners | ||
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Too slow | ||
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the chinese meta seems pretty cool though | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:20 romson87 wrote: Woke up 4 am to watch this, let's hope the games are good! I have a ton of respect for your #passion man especially when you consider the quality of the production for this event. | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: still no Splyce flair gg I just checked, the liquidlegends site has a splyce flair: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-tournaments/523268-na-lcs-summer-2017?page=29#570 | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:23 Shellshock wrote: fpv is always impressive. i cant fathom playing that fast and doing things accurately the speed at which Solar GG'd was actually insane | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: I just checked, the liquidlegends site has a splyce flair: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-tournaments/523268-na-lcs-summer-2017?page=29#570 eww LoL the priority liquid site now | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:27 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: eww LoL the priority liquid site now If it helps their LoL team is a hot mess. | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:30 travis wrote: when did iasonu get this good?? I think I saw somewhere he as a student before and may have graduated now? might be improving his much as a full time player | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:33 Lexender wrote: That "oh shit" face from iAsonu iAsonu is getting outclassed. | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:32 Shellshock wrote: I think I saw somewhere he as a student before and may have graduated now? might be improving his much as a full time player Yeah, he graduated. One of the few progamers with a degree. | ||
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iA could have won that game | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:37 romson87 wrote: iA is good, but not clearly not anywhere close near TY's level, He is putting up a much better fight than expected, especially in the second game. If he defended his BL properly he could've tied it up 1-1. | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:40 pvsnp wrote: He is putting up a much better fight than expected, especially in the second game. If he defended his BL properly he could've tied it up 1-1. Agreed, keeping those b'lords alive was crucial at this point | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: TY's style is so boring, not enough reapers Last tournament that reapers are (as) OP. ByuN will hopefully end the era in style | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:45 Fango wrote: Last tournament that reapers are (as) OP. ByuN will hopefully end the era in style Yeah losing to soO would be nice indeed | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:55 Fango wrote: iAsonu is really good, but he's playing against the potential best TvZ in the world He played TY and not Innovation | ||
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But in truth, iA played really well especially for the first two games. He can hold his head high | ||
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chipmonklord17
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Next weekend | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the only way to truly hang with the best is to do what grrr did. move to korea and assimilate. He is playing at the SC:R event :O | ||
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SC:R event? | ||
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Poor guy | ||
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TY doesn't lose TvZs though :p | ||
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the year he was champ he was asked what his practice record was. he said he played 1500 games and lost more than he won. "if i won more than i lost in practise i'd be wasting my time." | ||
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Yeah sunday there will be an event in korea. https://imgur.com/a/2xfYk | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the year he was champ he was asked what his practice record was. he said he played 1500 games and lost more than he won. "if i won more than i lost in practise i'd be wasting my time." It's true to some extent for sure Well at least not this tournament | ||
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On July 29 2017 11:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the year he was champ he was asked what his practice record was. he said he played 1500 games and lost more than he won. "if i won more than i lost in practise i'd be wasting my time." I agree with the idea of lost games being better for improving. Though it's strange because it seems most of the koreans nowadays just grind out the ladder and get 30+ winstreaks quite easliy | ||
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In 2017, his only (significant) offline TvZ loss was 3-2 to soO in GSL. He was litterally 1 map of a perfect TvZ score for 2017 | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:04 Fango wrote: Though it's strange because it seems most of the koreans nowadays just grind out the ladder and get 30+ winstreaks quite easliy i bet you a structured team house would work better though. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:07 Waxangel wrote: The guy who always smiles vs the guy who never smiles THE FUN ENDS HERE! | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:06 Fango wrote: In 2017, his only (significant) offline TvZ loss was 3-2 to soO in GSL. He was litterally 1 map of a perfect TvZ score for 2017 TY played 11 offline TvZ matches this year with a win% of 81% (9-2). Inno played 27 with 89% (24-3) I mean cmon | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:07 Waxangel wrote: The guy who always smiles vs the guy who never smiles hahahaha~~ herO have a nickname "Smiling gigolo" in China | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: TY played 11 offline TvZ matches this year with a win% of 81% (9-2). Inno played 27 with 89% (24-3) I mean cmon The 0-1 loss to ByuL isn't a big deal imo as it was a bo1 and in a qualifer I think. Why said his only significant offline TvZ loss this year is to soO in GSL (where he was 2-0 up). Inno has actually lost TvZ matches recently (to solar and dark). 1TvZ loss > 2 TvZ losses | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:15 Fango wrote: The 0-1 loss to ByuL isn't a big deal imo as it was a bo1 and in a qualifer I think. Why said his only significant offline TvZ loss this year is to soO in GSL (where he was 2-0 up). Inno has actually lost TvZ matches recently (to solar and dark). 1TvZ loss > 2 TvZ losses Sample size. Inno has played more and won more. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:15 Fango wrote: The 0-1 loss to ByuL isn't a big deal imo as it was a bo1 and in a qualifer I think. Why said his only significant offline TvZ loss this year is to soO in GSL (where he was 2-0 up). Inno has actually lost TvZ matches recently (to solar and dark). 1TvZ loss > 2 TvZ losses I mean i know you aren't 100% serious here Let's just say that TY looked good in TvZ this tournament so far | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:17 pvsnp wrote: Sample size. Inno has played more and won more. True true. But TY hasn't lost a TvZ in over 5 months now, whereas we've seen that Inno recently can actually lose (solar, dark) | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:25 Fango wrote: True true. But TY hasn't lost a TvZ in over 5 months now, whereas we've seen that Inno recently can actually lose (solar, dark) There is not such a thing as "cannot lose". Inno has the best TvZ in the world, that doesn't mean he cannot lose some games and matches here and there against really good zerg players though. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:30 BronzeKnee wrote: Does 90% of China wear glasses? Certainly seems as if 90% of the people at this IEM do anyway. I noticed that too. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 29 2017 12:30 Phredxor wrote: Certainly seems as if 90% of the people at this IEM do anyway. I noticed that too. Contacts aren't popular there. | ||
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BronzeKnee
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Maybe I should start selling contact lenses in China, probably make a killing. Or not. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:30 Phredxor wrote: Certainly seems as if 90% of the people at this IEM do anyway. I noticed that too. Playing lots of starcraft is bad for the eyes | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: There is not such a thing as "cannot lose". Inno has the best TvZ in the world, that doesn't mean he cannot lose some games and matches here and there against really good zerg players though. Well reddit told me that ByuN has the best TvZ in the world so I guess Inno and TY need to sit down :p | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:31 BronzeKnee wrote: It's weird. Maybe I should start selling contact lenses in China, probably make a killing. Or not. A lot of people think they can cause eye dryness, infections, etc. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:30 BronzeKnee wrote: Does 90% of China wear glasses? NO, Its 99% F**k the educational system | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:34 Fango wrote: Well reddit told me that ByuN has the best TvZ in the world so I guess Inno and TY need to sit down :p Reddit obsesses over reapers, and ByuN, and ByuN reapers. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:34 Fango wrote: Well reddit told me that ByuN has the best TvZ in the world so I guess Inno and TY need to sit down :p reddit thinks a lot of stupid things | ||
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-Waxangel "MACHINES DON'T SWEAT" -More Wax | ||
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"but he's no.1 on aligulac" "and reapers aren't OP it's just byun has the best micro ever" | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: He eats those mine shots and still wins? warpgate good upgrade :o | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: He eats those mine shots and still wins? Friendly fire shot blowed up all 2 times stimmed marines. | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: zooming on people playing VR during downtime is great filler content You mean VR POWERED BY INTEL | ||
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MIND GAMES | ||
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On July 29 2017 12:56 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't understand it, take the third instead of the natural so inno will 100% scout the gold. The place where you proxy the stargate. OK It was a panic move. He had proxy nexus in mind and still went for it | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:12 Fango wrote: If herO wins here he probably 3-0s TY Yup | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:20 Zambrah wrote: has anyone considered that maybe herO's name isnt actually meant to be HERO, but like, her O, as in orgasm? No. Because a) that sounds dumb b) I doubt his English is good enough for dumb jokes like this. | ||
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Doubtfully but theres hoping. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: No. Because a) that sounds dumb b) I doubt his English is good enough for dumb jokes like this. dumb jokes transcend all language barriers | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:23 usopsama wrote: TY vs soO finals confirmed. Lol you think TY will beat herO. | ||
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TY will 3-0 herO. | ||
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Like Gumiho will lose GSL finals. | ||
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I can't tell if this is serious. herO 3-0s TY most times they play | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:24 geokilla wrote: Damn that was a great game by herO. Did everything perfectly. The defense, the attacks, the harass, wow. I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:25 seemsgood wrote: He hardly could 3-0 TY unless he is Myungsik. He's 3-0d TY twice this year | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes? | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: imo, ZvZ is the worst of the 3 mirrors by far. i hope i get proven wrong in this next series. Protoss seems to struggle against zerg recently.If terran playes all gone ZvZ is foreseenable. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:24 lolfail9001 wrote: Innovation is doomed to not win more than 2 notable tournaments a year. 2 tournaments a year is really good tho | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: imo, ZvZ is the worst of the 3 mirrors by far. i hope i get proven wrong in this next series. ZvZ has always been like ZvZ but personally I think it is still is better than ever in current meta. After the roach war stage. Once tier 2/3 units like lurkers/ultra/infestor comes in the late game is much more interesting than back in HotS. Occaionally muta games are fun as well. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes? I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag. But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units). Oh well | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:30 seemsgood wrote: Also Zvz is the only match up we could see lurkers in action.Not sure what's wrong with this unit in this years. Lurkers also pop up in PvZ though less often than a few months ago. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:33 romson87 wrote: herO to defeat TY and win in the finals against soO Cliche | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag. But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units). Oh well It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that? | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote: ZvZ is good sometimes D: At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS Or BW. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Lurkers also pop up in PvZ though less often than a few months ago. There was a time they are used in ZvT as well, back when people still experimenting with hydra after the buff. Who knows, if the hydra ling/baneling meta stays someone might figure out a use for it again in ZvT | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that? Good point about defending early stuff. I mean you kinda nerf it, but my problem is the design behind it really. One click and you can see the whole enemy army. That's kinda ridiculous and that doesn't really change with some small tweaks here and there. Even if it is technically worse. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:36 Yiome wrote: There was a time they are used in ZvT as well, back when people still experimenting with hydra after the buff. Who knows, if the hydra ling/baneling meta stays someone might figure out a use for it again in ZvT But i realized avilo's figured it out even in pre-3.8. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:36 Yiome wrote: There was a time they are used in ZvT as well, back when people still experimenting with hydra after the buff. Who knows, if the hydra ling/baneling meta stays someone might figure out a use for it again in ZvT Lurkers just look really bad against almost everything Terran could conceivably go for. And wow Wax is doing a great job with the news ticker. | ||
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I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck. You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck. You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that? Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point? | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:43 LTCM wrote: Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point? People will always hate Protoss. They jelly. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:43 LTCM wrote: Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point? It's a design thing not a balance thing. | ||
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Dota 2 is no the case lol........ | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:44 seemsgood wrote: sc2 in china isn't censored right ? Everything just blow up in your face ,nothing was cutted. Dota 2 is no the case lol........ Sc2 doesn't have as many skeletons to trigger the censors. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge. Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it That sounds like the same explanation Olli gives for why HotS PvP is the best match-up. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:44 seemsgood wrote: sc2 in china isn't censored right ? Everything just blow up in your face ,nothing was cutted. Dota 2 is no the case lol........ It is censored, similar to the Korean version you can see on some of the Korean tournament stream. Mostly just removed death animation and blood. And some cutscenes. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's a design thing not a balance thing. People in the sc2 community never wanna discuss design | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:48 Brutaxilos wrote: So Dark will beat Rogue, and then Rogue will lose in the Ro4 right? Rogue curse? I'm no expert but that sounds unlikely. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:48 Topin wrote: you can see his tears https://twitter.com/MaynardeSC2/status/891158068670615552 What is dat ?? | ||
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Dark to get DQ'd overnight for performance enhancing drugs. Rogue to get eliminated twice? | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That sounds like the same explanation Olli gives for why HotS PvP is the best match-up. If you wanna say that muta scourge micro is similar to colossus micro, sure Decent zvz example: | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it A ZvZ was also the only series EffOrt lost in SSL, with a swift 12hatch vs 9pool | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's a design thing not a balance thing. Ah. Ok. Medivacs are bad design, delete them. Libs too. Mines have no place in a RTS either. Queens should have no attack as they are micro units. Creep provides too much vision, double tumor cost. Etc etc. All in the name of design of course. (Hint: take balance whine to it's own thread please.) | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:52 Ej_ wrote: A ZvZ was also the only series EffOrt lost in SSL, with a swift 12hatch vs 9pool I mean yeah that happens as well^^ But there were quite a few pretty good zvzs iirc. Maybe it's just me though :D | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:57 Durnuu wrote: Inno pls Its still hard to become a bogus'fan in 2017.Oh wait...i already say that.... | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:58 seemsgood wrote: Its still hard to become a bogus'fan in 2017.Oh wait...i already say that.... fucking idiot cant win every tournament he plays | ||
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Yeah to be honest I'd rather see him win GSL/Blizzcon soO/Dark/TY can take IEM instead | ||
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Looking at his stats it's just disappointing tbh. Unreal win% but barely titles/really high finishes to make it matter. Still SSL/GSL/GSL vs the world to make up for it though | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:02 Waxangel wrote: hey this game is sorta good ZvZ is the best mirror past the first 4 minutes | ||
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Nah it's not | ||
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Yes it is | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:04 Topdoller wrote: People slag off ZvZ , but I think this is the first game i have seen where they actually expand past 2 bases You don't watch much starcraft, do you? | ||
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I don't really enjoy two people spamming biles all day tbh | ||
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It's really not though. | ||
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On July 29 2017 13:51 Phredxor wrote: Dark to get DQ'd overnight for performance enhancing drugs. Rogue to get eliminated twice? Hahahaha, sorry I'm an idiot. | ||
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Hard to focus when talking about sexy boy. I understand. | ||
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Not anymore, LotV and region locking has killed it for me | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:13 Phredxor wrote: Dark pls. FEAR NOT THE DARK MY FRIEND AND LET THE FEAST BEGIN. | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Jeeze Sexy Boy going in dirty this time This time | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:16 starkiller123 wrote: How was INno vs herO? Game 5 was really great. | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:33 Ej_ wrote: BM SPINE CRAWLERS Looks funny as fuck lol. | ||
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Dark..... pls But I don't see Rouge winning against byun or a semi-final soO | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:34 Charoisaur wrote: Rogue might win this tourney Rogue will not win a game against ByuN/herO/TY | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:34 Yiome wrote: 3-0 ... Dark..... pls But I don't see Rouge winning against byun or a semi-final soO he 3:0ed Byun in the qualifiers | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:35 Durnuu wrote: Rogue will not win a game against ByuN/herO/TY That statement is absurd, unless you think that soO wins against Byun and then beats Rogue | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Rogue's id also used to be "CliMax", which accurately describes... actually let's not go there. Savage. | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: That statement is absurd, unless you think that soO wins against Byun and then beats Rogue ByuN will beat soO and 3-0 Rogue easily. If you've seen SSL you'll know why I'm saying that. Rogue just couldn't deal with widow mines, it was sad to see | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:37 Durnuu wrote: ByuN will beat soO and 3-0 Rogue easily. If you've seen SSL you'll know why I'm saying that. Rogue just couldn't deal with widow mines, it was sad to see I mean 3-0 can happen but it's definitely not the most likely result if Rogue and Byun meet. | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:44 usopsama wrote: I don't see soO winning against TY. Of course you don't, he'd first have to win vs ByuN. | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:36 stuchiu wrote: I can tell wax wrote that tagline. Wax has been going full Wax this weekend with the taglines and ticker | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:37 Durnuu wrote: ByuN will beat soO and 3-0 Rogue easily. If you've seen SSL you'll know why I'm saying that. Rogue just couldn't deal with widow mines, it was sad to see I have seen Byun get destroyed like a little bitch by Zest, the worst player in the SSL. it was sad to see | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:48 Waxangel wrote: Weird that both soO and INnoVation use those expensive Bang and Olufsen earbuds. Maybe it's a former SKT thing? Or maybe they simply have style and respect themselves as human beings. *scoffs in upper middle class* | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: We finally found the NASL guy You can see him but you can't hear him | ||
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it's NEGA-KOREA | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:55 Waxangel wrote: so many girls not covering their faces it's NEGA-KOREA sluts! | ||
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rip | ||
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On July 29 2017 14:57 Durnuu wrote: soO is cursed by Artosis rip This is future sight curse. He will lose in final. | ||
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Heeeeeeere but now they're gone... | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:06 Ej_ wrote: soO is easy it was looking good right up until that mine explosion | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:08 Heartland wrote: Hydras? Is that a thing now? Ever since the thor buff. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:08 Heartland wrote: Hydras? Is that a thing now? ling/bane/hydra is the thing all the terrans say is too good these days | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:07 seemsgood wrote: I don't even know what did he wrong.Poor soO.... Well for starters he lost 14 drones to a mine drop | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:08 Heartland wrote: Hydras? Is that a thing now? yeah hydra bane is so good | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:10 Heartland wrote: Huh, I am not sure I ever saw hydras in tvz before. Cool! Don't worry, you will see only hydras for the next 4 months or so. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:11 Durnuu wrote: #Byunsplits shoutouts to the boy bomber | ||
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You don't need splits if you produce 14 new marines per cycle | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:14 Heartland wrote: You don't need splits if you produce 14 new marines per cycle INnoVation makes 15 and still splits, is that why he's nearing 80% winrate? | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:15 Ej_ wrote: INnoVation makes 15 and still splits, is that why he's nearing 80% winrate? That's just unnecessary showboating | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:15 Ej_ wrote: INnoVation makes 15 and still splits, is that why he's nearing 80% winrate? Today he's 0% vs Protoss. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:16 Topdoller wrote: Losing that swarmhost has cost soO the game should've made a 2nd one as backup. what a noobie | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:16 Ej_ wrote: When is soO getting his honorable USA citizenship? Because he's pretty fucking free. ouch | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:18 Ej_ wrote: Proxima is a good reaper map too! Call me when there's a bad reaper map | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:20 Charoisaur wrote: ByuN forgot the additional barracks? it's a reaper drop into 4rax reaper/medivac e: he's even getting stim for reapers | ||
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L U O L I S | ||
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ITS LUOLIS IN THE BOOTH | ||
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THORA THORA THORA | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:26 Ej_ wrote: 2nd fact double libs uh? Don't think ByuN knows it's mutas. Wouldn't that be ideal to deal with mutas though? Thors and lib support for bio. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:27 plogamer wrote: Wouldn't that be ideal to deal with mutas though? Thors and lib support for bio. he started mine production only after mutas killed off the first drop, libs actually blow vs mutas | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:28 Ej_ wrote: he started mine production only after mutas killed off the first drop, libs actually blow vs mutas Perhaps he had built the second factory to be ready for the mine/thor production. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: If Byun would split he might actually be decent not everyone can be on our level | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: If Byun would split he might actually be decent Doesn't even need to split in such a situation, just pre-spreading would be enough with how slow the push was. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:30 Ej_ wrote: hey look, soO bled out all mutalisks Can't split small units and micro other units at the same time? Sounds like Terran problems.  | ||
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Well obviously not On July 29 2017 15:30 Durnuu wrote: Doesn't even need to split in such a situation, just pre-spreading would be enough with how slow the push was. There was a pre split! Three blobs of bio instead of one! | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:36 Ej_ wrote: winfestors op :/ It was really well played by soO to flank with them, knowing terran will want to set up at the choke. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:38 Topdoller wrote: Decent game, but ByuN looks a mess in late game. The game was over before ByuN got to lategame. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:36 Isualin wrote: man i hate ultras with a passion :D because they destroy the game of football? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On July 29 2017 15:42 Waxangel wrote: u think the stakes are high enough here that ByuN will give us a good, emotional cry if he loses? He's 10th in WCS points so this means a ton to him, we'll get some tears | ||
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Mun_Su
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go soO for the final victory (it won't happen) | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:45 Charoisaur wrote: fast carapace upgrade? that's interesting It's standard in Korea vs 3rax now. Allows you to spend money without taking a 3rd, puts you far ahead in upgrades and lets you morph dropelords. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On July 29 2017 15:47 Ej_ wrote: It's standard in Korea vs 3rax now. Allows you to spend money without taking a 3rd, puts you far ahead in upgrades and lets you morph dropelords. A mix of dropoverlord and dope overlord? | ||
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Drops the bass right into your base. | ||
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On July 29 2017 15:51 Durnuu wrote: God, how many drones died this game ? 33 from mines and libs so far. | ||
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Heartland
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On July 29 2017 15:52 lolfail9001 wrote: And then soO just dies lol glad to see you back in the LRs! | ||
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Mun_Su
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On July 29 2017 15:53 Ej_ wrote: SoO's fights are pretty great tho. They'll make you lose your bet | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 29 2017 15:53 Ej_ wrote: SoO's fights are pretty great tho. That mine shot on 15 banes notwithstanding. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On July 29 2017 15:53 starkiller123 wrote: What happened to the FPOV on stream? These fpovs of the observer are highlights imo | ||
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Meepman
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Durnuu
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On July 29 2017 15:56 Ej_ wrote: It's over, soO has the high ground. Fuck, I missed the opportunity | ||
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Yiome
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Heartland
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On July 29 2017 15:56 Ej_ wrote: It's over, soO has the high ground. who has the high ground now?! | ||
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seemsgood
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Terran players just too abuse in the new siege tank and forget good ol marauders. | ||
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Durnuu
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On July 29 2017 16:02 Elentos wrote: soO choking before the finals? Weird This ain't GSL | ||
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Ej_
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On July 29 2017 16:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This is one of those games that will haunt soO for a long time if he loses this series now Like the one vs Taeja, the one vs Zest, the one vs GuMiho or the one vs Solar? | ||
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DJHelium
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This is one of those games that will haunt soO for a long time if he loses this series now I'm sure there are other series that soO has bigger regrets over... | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
Also of course 3 rax reapers | ||
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Ej_
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On July 29 2017 16:05 Mun_Su wrote: Isn't that map trash for ultras? It's so good for LBM that it doesn't matter. | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On July 29 2017 15:56 usopsama wrote: The one trick pony is getting rekted even after going mass reapers???????? You were saying? :D | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:05 Mun_Su wrote: Isn't that map trash for ultras? Good for muta ling baneling style and bast trade Zerg favored if soO can survive early game | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
True. Still those reapers... | ||
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usopsama
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What will happen after the reapers get nerfed? His tvz win-rate goes down to 0%? | ||
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On July 29 2017 16:09 usopsama wrote: What will happen after the reapers get nerfed? His tvz win-rate goes down to 0%? He will probably find a new way to beat 2nd rate ZvT players into submission. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:10 Heartland wrote: fear the reaper Even u don't u lose anyway | ||
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Durnuu
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#protip | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:12 romson87 wrote: One unit ruining the best match-up.. zvp is the new zvt tbh | ||
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rednusa
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On July 29 2017 16:12 romson87 wrote: One unit ruining the best match-up.. One player with one unit. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 29 2017 16:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, after this i would be for giving grenades 1 damage exactly. Nobody ever asked for reapers to have grenades in the first place | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 29 2017 16:13 Elentos wrote: Nobody ever asked for reapers to have grenades in the first place Did anyone ask for giving infestors burrow fungal? Or tankivacs? | ||
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Ej_
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TESAGIIIII | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:14 Yiome wrote: Can't blame Byun for 3 rax reaper on Sequencer but soO is really falling apart at the end When you attack 15 secs before 3/3 and lose a game and everybody talks about your shit mentality its pretty hard not to tilt | ||
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rednusa
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On July 29 2017 16:14 usopsama wrote: Nobody describes marines, with medivacs, liberators and widowmines and sometimes a few tanks as mass marines. Why should it be different for reapers? | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
3 rax reapers. Oh boy, I don't even want to get started. I hope soO won't feel too bad. He is still on his way to BlizzCon. Edit: I love Mal, the interviewer! Great question! Savage and spot-on. | ||
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Ej_
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On July 29 2017 16:17 rednusa wrote: Nobody describes marines, with medivacs, liberators and widowmines and sometimes a few tanks as mass marines. Why should it be different for reapers? because making 15 to 20 reapers before any other unit is massing reapers, probably | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:14 Ej_ wrote: TIMBA TESAGIIIII I shouldn't have sigbet | ||
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Ej_
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On July 29 2017 16:17 ParksonVN wrote: Byun depends too much on reaper, when this unit get patched, i wonder what he will become, because so far all of his achievement had been coming from mass reaper Remember when he massed reapers in his Zergless GSL bracket? Oh boy that was broken. | ||
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jackacea
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On July 29 2017 16:12 romson87 wrote: One unit ruining the best match-up.. So true, it went from beeing my favorite to least favorite | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:17 rednusa wrote: Nobody describes marines, with medivacs, liberators and widowmines and sometimes a few tanks as mass marines. Why should it be different for reapers? Because marine is a "core" unit Reaper is not Besides, the evolve of 3 rax reaper into techs is relative recent. For a long time it is just reapers | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2385 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:12 Ej_ wrote: SoO handled reapers expertly in 2 games this series, but somehow losing to them in the 3rd brings an outcry? and even when he handled them expertly he was still behind  | ||
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On July 29 2017 16:20 Scarlett` wrote: and even when he handled them expertly he was still behind Was it the reapers or was it 2 widow mine drops killing 14 drones every time?  | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:20 Tyrhanius wrote: 3 reapers openers - 1 non reaper opener. I still say the games were all pretty entertaining despite all the reapers | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:17 Ej_ wrote: because making 15 to 20 reapers before any other unit is massing reapers, probably Yes but you can open CC first with 3 gasless rax and produce 15-20 marines before any other tech is out. I agree that he is massing reapers at the beginning but I wouldn't describe his army composition as mass reapers (unless it was pretty much just reapers and medivacs) | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:18 jackacea wrote: So true, it went from beeing my favorite to least favorite PvT is the best matchup at present, but even that has issues. As to reapers they cant nerf it because of one player who is exceptional at early game micro imho | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:17 rednusa wrote: Nobody describes marines, with medivacs, liberators and widowmines and sometimes a few tanks as mass marines. Why should it be different for reapers? By your logic, there was nothing wrong with mass adepts, either. I guess we should unnerf adepts. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with your head? | ||
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Topin
Peru10077 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:23 usopsama wrote: By your logic, there was nothing wrong with mass adepts, either. I guess we should unnerf adepts. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with your head? when they 2 shot marines... omg x.x | ||
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Elentos
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On July 29 2017 16:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Did anyone ask for giving infestors burrow fungal? Or tankivacs? They removed tankivacs a year after LotV came out. Meanwhile reaper grenades are just getting toned down a bit. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:23 usopsama wrote: By your logic, there was nothing wrong with mass adepts, either. I guess we should unnerf adepts. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with your head? Some people just want to watch the world burn. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:24 Elentos wrote: They removed tankivacs a year after LotV came out. Meanwhile reaper grenades are just getting toned down a bit. I actually miss tankivacs | ||
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rednusa
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On July 29 2017 16:23 usopsama wrote: By your logic, there was nothing wrong with mass adepts, either. I guess we should unnerf adepts. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with your head? I wasn't arguing that Blizzard shouldn't nerf reapers. I was just taking exception to your description of ByuN's army composition. | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
On July 29 2017 09:20 Kaizor wrote: Guess my poll was spot on. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote: They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then. And permanent cloak | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary483 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. The reaper has many abilities other races must have researched first. All in the very early game. I don't even care if they nerf reapers into the grounds, but watching this mass reaper style every game is very boring to watch. Obviously it's not Byun's fault that the game design team made many bad choices, if we were in his place we would also use all tools at our disposal. In the end they all want to win games and earn money. | ||
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usopsama
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They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range. While they are at it, the Colossus and adepts also need 22 range. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote: They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range. While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well. Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense | ||
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usopsama
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On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote: Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:47 usopsama wrote: As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones. No argument here | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
110 Posts
I just don't get the hate on reapers, if you could just a move and cheese with em, it would make sense to me. If you nerf the reaper, whats the point of the unit anymore? Seriously, it kills nothing but lingsand drones. If this were a TvT complaint it would make much more sense to me. I couldn't stand invulnerable nydus all ins when they were all the rage..... you would see guys like TY cheeesed out by it all the time.... I think you guys should admit you just don't like BYUN, lol which is fine.... My thing is the players should be able to stop this. You know people KEEP saying it's not BYUN reapers that are OP. They banned me cause I made a lot of post illustrating how sOO destroyed Marus reapers in GSL. But here he struggles vs Byuns reapers, but people still wanna make it about the REAPER, AND not BYUN | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:10 Finch518 wrote: Well I think its safe to say Blizzard will go forward with Reaper changes. We said that every time they ruined a series for more than a year On July 29 2017 16:22 Topdoller wrote: As to reapers they cant nerf it because of one player who is exceptional at early game micro imho Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans. | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
110 Posts
People were crying about GSL vs the World, and gumiho gets knocked out by the Chinese zerg. Where was the unbeatable mech there? Yall still crying over Bullsshit man..... | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:57 DBooN wrote: Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans. Well Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur did win Blizzcon last year using the heavy reaper style and no other terrans did! | ||
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207aicila
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On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D But don't worry, at this rate we'll be getting yet another "rework" in about 18 months' time that will yet again ignore community suggestions in favour of some bizarre off-handed bandaid that still doesn't fix the fundamental problems. + Show Spoiler [Disclaimer] + By the way, I'm personally not that salty about Reapers as others are (though I obviously understand why they feel that way), it's just that I strongly agree with Elentos' post and this is easily one of SC2's biggest problems over the last 7 years, if not more if we're considering WoL's development as well. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote: blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly Ok? | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
This is my bad, i was watching the stream without noticing it was a rerun. Artosis said something like we might see TIME at blizzcon in 2-3 years | ||
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DocSchlakk
Austria172 Posts
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote: just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?.... is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl.. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary483 Posts
On July 29 2017 18:34 DocSchlakk wrote: this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?.... is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl.. Please don't forget the imba carriers, the imba teleporting battlecruisers, and the imba ravens with their seeker missiles. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote: just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba i was delighted even if beforehand i thought soO would make it | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote: Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right? | ||
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Lorning
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207aicila
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On July 29 2017 18:46 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right? Well yeah they removed the most catastrophic ones, but all the insidious problems have remained. Good job cherry picking two of the very few examples of them scrapping ideas that would very clearly have crippled the game. I mean I could literally just say "brood lord infestor for almost an entire year" and just win the argument, but there are way way more that may be slightly less obvious. | ||
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United Kingdom8987 Posts
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i-MajiN
France113 Posts
At least it won't be another 2nd place for soO^^ I'm curious to see how rogue will deal with reaper micro of Byun. Recently rogue is pretty impressive | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
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If you saw rogues games vs Marus at WESG qualifiers, you would swear on a stack of bibles the 2-1-1 was imba.... | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 29 2017 20:04 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how you lose 30 drones to hellions, I guess we should nerf hellions too cause some zerg got smashed by a hellions opening... Unfortunately for you people are not strawmen and only complain about broken garbage like reapers. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 29 2017 20:04 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how you lose 30 drones to hellions, I guess we should nerf hellions too cause some zerg got smashed by a hellions opening... They did nerf blue flame openings though | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
Are you not able to enjoy anything? Just.. enjoy some entertainment without having to start with the snarky comments and the petty remarks.. ? | ||
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yhellothere12
46 Posts
On July 30 2017 00:29 VHbb wrote: I will NEVER understand how some people watch an amazing tournament, with some of the best players in the world, and instead of enjoying the game, they come here to whine about balance / design / whatever.. Are you not able to enjoy anything? Just.. enjoy some entertainment without having to start with the snarky comments and the petty remarks.. ? This so much. I swear.... any time a player of either race wins a battle in a match it's a flood of "omg X race so imba". And any time a player loses, everyone just starts saying the PRO player is BAD. Can people just enjoy the games? | ||
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United States3815 Posts
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Topin
Peru10077 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:00 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? ia vs TY G1 and G2 inno vs hero G5 rogue vs dark g1 soo vs byun g3 | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On July 29 2017 15:56 usopsama wrote: The one trick pony is getting rekted even after going mass reapers???????? how does it feel to be completely wrong? | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:56 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: You guys really find reapers more abusive than say, the proxy photon overcharge rush? I just don't get the hate on reapers, if you could just a move and cheese with em, it would make sense to me. If you nerf the reaper, whats the point of the unit anymore? Seriously, it kills nothing but lingsand drones. If this were a TvT complaint it would make much more sense to me. I couldn't stand invulnerable nydus all ins when they were all the rage..... you would see guys like TY cheeesed out by it all the time.... I think you guys should admit you just don't like BYUN, lol which is fine.... My thing is the players should be able to stop this. You know people KEEP saying it's not BYUN reapers that are OP. They banned me cause I made a lot of post illustrating how sOO destroyed Marus reapers in GSL. But here he struggles vs Byuns reapers, but people still wanna make it about the REAPER, AND not BYUN I gave up on convincing people with facts and numbers. I had a detailed post with aligulac records and numbers and percentages and people just ignored it and refused to look at the numbers. And all the bs on uthermal kelazhur major blah blah blah. Really? Out of all the players people claim to abuse reapers, Byun is the ONLY one that has won significant tournaments because of it. In Europe, when we talk about the very best players, we have Elazer, Showtime, Nerchio, Snute, Serral. uThermal is nowhere near the conversation. In America, most would recognize Neeb as the clear Top player with Major, Scarlett and Kelazhur close. And come on, who won the last WCS? Elazer !! A Zerg !! If reapers are really so breaking, Terrans should be winning everything !! This isn't like gglord/winfestor. That was broken because zerg was winning everything with it at its peak !! Suddenly every top player in the scene at that time and up and comers were all zerg ! Those units were broken. It is not like Terrans are winning everything with reapers. We don't even see foreigner terrans dominate the scene with it. Sure they win some games against Zerg with it. But i have also seen Korean zergs completely shut it off when other terrans try it. Good example would be Maru. He just wasn't good enough at it. I still stick to my point. It is not reapers which is OP. It is Byun. Some people are hating on it just because they don't like to see people win games with Micro. But guess what. A lot of people also enjoying seeing Micro skill instead of just Macro skills. And some more numbers for the haters. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ June 2017, out of 1546 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15% May 2017, out of 1684 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15% April 2017, out of 1597 games, TvZ win rate : 49.03% March 2017, out of 1406 games, TvZ win rate : 48.08% In fact you had to go back to Jan 2017 before Terrans had a over 50% win rate over Zergs. But yeah, people would just ignore it. This is why people like trump become president. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 00:50 yhellothere12 wrote: This so much. I swear.... any time a player of either race wins a battle in a match it's a flood of "omg X race so imba". And any time a player loses, everyone just starts saying the PRO player is BAD. Can people just enjoy the games? Thing is, whenever something is legit imbalanced, there are always comments like this. "just because someone lost to it doesn't mean it's imbalanced", "just enjoy the games" No one's saying reapers need a nerf because soO lost to ByuN, its that its almost impossible for any zerg to trade cost efficiently against 3RR if controlled right. | ||
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yhellothere12
46 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:44 Fango wrote: Thing is, whenever something is legit imbalanced, there are always comments like this. "just because someone lost to it doesn't mean it's imbalanced", "just enjoy the games" No one's saying reapers need a nerf because soO lost to ByuN, its that its almost impossible for any zerg to trade cost efficiently against 3RR if controlled right. Fango, the problem with your argument is that most people will enter the conversation with their minds made up and take whatever 'evidence' they can find to fit the argument they want to make, and ignore the rest. If you're debating something is 'legit imbalanced', you have to have statistics or some way of backing your argument up. It can't be that it simply 'seems' broken. Kaizor in the post above you, as well as many others have already brought the numbers into the mix, and it just does not seem to support the argument that this imbalance exists. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
However, I don find it a legitimate strategy. It does look like he perfected it as much as humanly possible | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
Even when other top level players try it like Maru, he'll lose more than half the times he does. Let's just ignore that - reaper OP, reaper OP, reaper OP! Is it fair that a unit is nerfed because ONE player is amazing at it? Should this happen everytime some player masters a particular unit? All this whine is stupid. Instead of being amazed at how good byun is with reapers, people are crying the unit is OP when it clearly isn't if you look at average win rates across ALL players. Which is what you should be doing. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
On July 30 2017 02:28 Sakat wrote: We should have increased the cost of marines because of Bomber But Bomber has his law to back him up | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:39 Kaizor wrote: I gave up on convincing people with facts and numbers. I had a detailed post with aligulac records and numbers and percentages and people just ignored it and refused to look at the numbers. And all the bs on uthermal kelazhur major blah blah blah. Really? Out of all the players people claim to abuse reapers, Byun is the ONLY one that has won significant tournaments because of it. In Europe, when we talk about the very best players, we have Elazer, Showtime, Nerchio, Snute, Serral. uThermal is nowhere near the conversation. In America, most would recognize Neeb as the clear Top player with Major, Scarlett and Kelazhur close. And come on, who won the last WCS? Elazer !! A Zerg !! If reapers are really so breaking, Terrans should be winning everything !! This isn't like gglord/winfestor. That was broken because zerg was winning everything with it at its peak !! Suddenly every top player in the scene at that time and up and comers were all zerg ! Those units were broken. It is not like Terrans are winning everything with reapers. We don't even see foreigner terrans dominate the scene with it. Sure they win some games against Zerg with it. But i have also seen Korean zergs completely shut it off when other terrans try it. Good example would be Maru. He just wasn't good enough at it. I still stick to my point. It is not reapers which is OP. It is Byun. Some people are hating on it just because they don't like to see people win games with Micro. But guess what. A lot of people also enjoying seeing Micro skill instead of just Macro skills. And some more numbers for the haters. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ June 2017, out of 1546 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15% May 2017, out of 1684 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15% April 2017, out of 1597 games, TvZ win rate : 49.03% March 2017, out of 1406 games, TvZ win rate : 48.08% In fact you had to go back to Jan 2017 before Terrans had a over 50% win rate over Zergs. But yeah, people would just ignore it. This is why people like trump become president. great post this is exactly why people like trump become president, people can watch 15-20 min long games where soo is up 50 supply, watch him crash like 40+ supply of banes into tanks/marauders and at the end say "darn those reapers to hell!!!" | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:56 yhellothere12 wrote: Fango, the problem with your argument is that most people will enter the conversation with their minds made up and take whatever 'evidence' they can find to fit the argument they want to make, and ignore the rest. If you're debating something is 'legit imbalanced', you have to have statistics or some way of backing your argument up. It can't be that it simply 'seems' broken. Kaizor in the post above you, as well as many others have already brought the numbers into the mix, and it just does not seem to support the argument that this imbalance exists. This exactly, everyone who is crying IMBA has no facts to prove their argument. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
people just arent comfortable with being attacked until the skill difference between their opponent and themselves gets muddied by 3 bases of saturation | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:56 yhellothere12 wrote: Fango, the problem with your argument is that most people will enter the conversation with their minds made up and take whatever 'evidence' they can find to fit the argument they want to make, and ignore the rest. If you're debating something is 'legit imbalanced', you have to have statistics or some way of backing your argument up. It can't be that it simply 'seems' broken. Kaizor in the post above you, as well as many others have already brought the numbers into the mix, and it just does not seem to support the argument that this imbalance exists. I haven't gone through every TvZ and worked out the % that 3RR wins. Because obviously not every TvZ is 3RR. My point is that I have no clue how zergs are supposed to trade cost efficiently against in (if the reapers are controlled properly). I'm not saying it's as broken as BL/infestor, or blink stalker allins or anything like that I have nothing against ByuN for doing it, because he's clearly better at it than standard TvZ. And I think that 3/5 RR should always be a viable proxy/cheese. I just think it's far too effective right now, and not risky enough. You can transition into a CC so easily even if the reapers are mostly shut down. Most people don't even consider it a cheese/allin anymore, just a viable opening. Honestly, if I was the balance team I would simply reduce (or remove) the damage from the KD8 charge. It makes reapers too cost efficiant against lings. Increasing build time would mess up terran macro On July 30 2017 03:38 Snijjer wrote:This exactly, everyone who is crying IMBA has no facts to prove their argument. I actually play terran and open with 3RR against zerg, and proxy 3RR against terran (excluding maps where it isn't viable). Now ofc I'm not GM, and my games aren't an indicator of balance. I'm just saying people can call something out for being OP without it being due to salt | ||
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