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[IEM XII] Shanghai 2017 - Quarter Finals - Page 14

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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 29 2017 04:51 GMT
#261
On July 29 2017 13:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:48 Brutaxilos wrote:
So Dark will beat Rogue, and then Rogue will lose in the Ro4 right? Rogue curse?


I'm no expert but that sounds unlikely.


Dark to get DQ'd overnight for performance enhancing drugs. Rogue to get eliminated twice?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 04:51 GMT
#262
On July 29 2017 13:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though


There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge.

Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it


That sounds like the same explanation Olli gives for why HotS PvP is the best match-up.

If you wanna say that muta scourge micro is similar to colossus micro, sure
Decent zvz example:

IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 29 2017 04:52 GMT
#263
On July 29 2017 13:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though


There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge.

Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it

A ZvZ was also the only series EffOrt lost in SSL, with a swift 12hatch vs 9pool
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 29 2017 04:53 GMT
#264
Good old ZvZ
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
July 29 2017 04:53 GMT
#265
On July 29 2017 13:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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On July 29 2017 13:43 LTCM wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:24 geokilla wrote:
Damn that was a great game by herO. Did everything perfectly. The defense, the attacks, the harass, wow.

I mean it's not that hard to "defend" when you can tag the entire enemy army and thus the opponent doesn't even try to harass you. Srsly that spell is kinda stupid


Is David Kim's spirit offered to cut the duration of revelation in half in exchange for cutting the energy cost in half would you say yes?

I mean in theory the protoss has to be more active that way, but i don't think it would change much, maybe make it even stronger because you theoretically have more energy for other things when you don't wanna tag.
But yeah dunno, the spell itself shouldn't tag every unit in the area or something. (aka limiting the number of units).
Oh well


It would help a lot with defending DTs, banshees, and especially mines early on mostly. And make it weaker in the later phases of the game. What if David Kim's spirit offered to nerf the range to 7 from 9 on top of that?


Why on earth are we even discussing a protoss nerf at this point?


It's a design thing not a balance thing.


Ah. Ok.

Medivacs are bad design, delete them. Libs too. Mines have no place in a RTS either. Queens should have no attack as they are micro units. Creep provides too much vision, double tumor cost. Etc etc.

All in the name of design of course.

(Hint: take balance whine to it's own thread please.)
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 04:54 GMT
#266
On July 29 2017 13:52 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:34 Waxangel wrote:
ZvZ is good sometimes D:

At least it has a higher chance to be good than in WoL or HotS


Or BW.

I actually really like bw zvz, there were some really good games in ASL and SSL, tense as fuck.
You don't see a huge variety of unit compositions though


There's that one game out of 30 that goes to an epic late game air battle, another game out of 30 where one pros tries for hydras and then shows us why you don't try for hydras, and the 28 other games are the same ling into muta/scourge.

Oh yeah it's basically always ling into muta scourge, but that can be pretty exciting imo depending on the expansion timings, etc. The best games in SSL/ASL were zvzs and most people enjoyed them actually :D The nature of the low eco style really creates a unique scenario, dunno i like it

A ZvZ was also the only series EffOrt lost in SSL, with a swift 12hatch vs 9pool

I mean yeah that happens as well^^
But there were quite a few pretty good zvzs iirc. Maybe it's just me though :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 29 2017 04:57 GMT
#267
Inno pls
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
July 29 2017 04:58 GMT
#268
On July 29 2017 13:57 Durnuu wrote:
Inno pls

Its still hard to become a bogus'fan in 2017.Oh wait...i already say that....
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 29 2017 04:58 GMT
#269
On July 29 2017 13:58 seemsgood wrote:
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On July 29 2017 13:57 Durnuu wrote:
Inno pls

Its still hard to become a bogus'fan in 2017.Oh wait...i already say that....

fucking idiot cant win every tournament he plays
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 29 2017 04:59 GMT
#270
My internet went out for a minute there. Don't do that to me when Rogue is playing :O
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 29 2017 04:59 GMT
#271
On July 29 2017 13:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:58 seemsgood wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:57 Durnuu wrote:
Inno pls

Its still hard to become a bogus'fan in 2017.Oh wait...i already say that....

fucking idiot cant win every tournament he plays

Yeah to be honest I'd rather see him win GSL/Blizzcon
soO/Dark/TY can take IEM instead
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 05:00 GMT
#272
On July 29 2017 13:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 13:58 seemsgood wrote:
On July 29 2017 13:57 Durnuu wrote:
Inno pls

Its still hard to become a bogus'fan in 2017.Oh wait...i already say that....

fucking idiot cant win every tournament he plays

Looking at his stats it's just disappointing tbh. Unreal win% but barely titles/really high finishes to make it matter.
Still SSL/GSL/GSL vs the world to make up for it though
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33390 Posts
July 29 2017 05:02 GMT
#273
hey this game is sorta good
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 29 2017 05:03 GMT
#274
On July 29 2017 14:02 Waxangel wrote:
hey this game is sorta good

ZvZ is the best mirror past the first 4 minutes
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 29 2017 05:04 GMT
#275
On July 29 2017 14:03 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 14:02 Waxangel wrote:
hey this game is sorta good

ZvZ is the best mirror past the first 4 minutes

Nah it's not
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
July 29 2017 05:04 GMT
#276
People slag off ZvZ , but I think this is the first game i have seen where they actually expand past 2 bases
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 29 2017 05:05 GMT
#277
On July 29 2017 14:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 14:03 Ej_ wrote:
On July 29 2017 14:02 Waxangel wrote:
hey this game is sorta good

ZvZ is the best mirror past the first 4 minutes

Nah it's not

Yes it is
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 29 2017 05:06 GMT
#278
On July 29 2017 14:04 Topdoller wrote:
People slag off ZvZ , but I think this is the first game i have seen where they actually expand past 2 bases

You don't watch much starcraft, do you?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 29 2017 05:06 GMT
#279
13/12 too stronk
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
July 29 2017 05:06 GMT
#280
i like zvz.
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