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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:30 Hider wrote: There is nothing to respond to. Like let's sum up the arguments of your side: 1. Guitar 2. Games look less clean. 3. Koreans have retired. All of those arguments (except the guitar one) has effectively been disproven/shown to not be good reasons. And people who use the less clean argument imo directly shows that they don't understand how to judge mechanical skills in different contexts. So all you have left is "I believe" with no reasoning besides that. Hence I also believe Jinro 2010 = best foreign terran ever. I mean the big picture is there. You just have to open your eyes. Ok if that is all you got out of it then so be it. I guess you stating that everything "my side" (it's never about sides aka "black and white" btw, these topics are way too complicated to have two sides) has is meaningless obviously means it is. "Every reasonable" human being obviously will come to that conclusion, right? Now post some other silly videos (which as i said ironically are used for "your side" typically, to prove that you can always get better mechanically, which is quite absurd) and use black and white logic to prove your point. | ||
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Biscuittzz
155 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:36 Fango wrote: dunno if anyone posted this already XD Was already a few pages back. But being enshrined into memagehood has to be a plus for elazer no matter the outcome of blizzcon | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:37 Biscuittzz wrote: Was already a few pages back. But being enshrined into memagehood as to be a plus for elazer no matter the outcome of blizzcon Once everyone got a bit too into it I stopped paying attention to the thread tbh | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
Elazer clearly practiced. Is losing a full series at the Global Playoffs in less than 9 minutes enough to become a meme these days? Back in my day, people had to work hard to become memes. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:40 Elentos wrote: The thing is, to become a meme, Lilbow had to tell the world he didn't practice for Blizzcon. Elazer clearly practiced. Is losing a full series at the Global Playoffs in less than 9 minutes enough to become a meme these days? Back in my day, people had to work hard to become memes. So you are indeed stuchiu's smurf  | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:40 Elentos wrote: The thing is, to become a meme, Lilbow had to tell the world he didn't practice for Blizzcon. Elazer clearly practiced. Is losing a full series at the Global Playoffs in less than 9 minutes enough to become a meme these days? Back in my day, people had to not work hard to become memes. Fixed. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:30 Hider wrote: There is nothing to respond to. Like let's sum up the arguments of your side: 1. Guitar 2. Games look less clean. 3. Koreans have retired. All of those arguments (except the guitar one) has effectively been disproven/shown to not be good reasons. And people who use the less clean argument imo directly shows that they don't understand how to judge mechanical skills in different contexts. So all you have left is "I believe" with no reasoning besides that. Hence I also believe Jinro 2010 = best foreign terran ever. I mean the big picture is there. You just have to open your eyes. you make some good points but there is no point in straw-manning the opposing viewpoint. as money is choked out of the scene players are playing less and moving on to other games or moving forward with life. you never really deal with the money issue. many, many games have seen top tier play decline. hell Super Tecmo Bowl has seen top tier play rise and fall and rise and fall again ... its gone up and down like 5 times and it really depends on events, prize money and winner recognition. Super Tecmo Bowl was almost left for dead in 1997. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
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Topin
Peru10131 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:42 Charoisaur wrote: I think Elazer will be more remembered for beating Solar than for losing to TY. it would be really shitty if the community remembered him for his lose against TY and not by his winning against Solar | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Now post some other silly videos (which as i said ironically are used for "your side" typically, to prove that you can always get better mechanically, which is quite absurd) and use black and white logic to prove your point What does skillcap have to do with anything? Because you can always get better, that implies koreans are getting worse (?) Quite confused. Anyway, so can you confirm, you are not going to represent reasons for the decline (besides those listed), but you will merely choose to believe. You claim I do something in black and white. That's another statement with no argument to support it. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
Well, that's definitely the worst thing you ever said to me  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Other people post videos which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. So yes, i just want to believe, let's end this here though because this doesn't go anywhere. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
as money is choked out of the scene players are playing less and moving on to other games or moving forward with life. you never really deal with the money issue. I already covered that previously and it doens't explain why THE SAME PLAYERS GET WORSE OVER TIME. You are basically going to assume that they don't practice despite tournaments stil being active for most of 2016. It's like some people cannot phantom that you you can improve at a slower rate without that rate being negative. Any "reasonable" person would look at the factors presented already and understand that it is reasonable to come to the conclusion that the korean scene is less competitive and that this affects the lvl of play directly This is exactly what I am talking about. How do you go to negative rate. How do you become worse mechanically while practising. How is Innovation worse today than he was in 2013. I literraly asked that 5 times and every time you ignored it and just moved on. All you can assume is that they don't practice, but then you are basing your whole belief on all of the good koreans not practicising despite them still having regular tournaments to play for. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:47 Elentos wrote: Well, that's definitely the worst thing you ever said to me Really? Interesting :D | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:49 Hider wrote: I already covered that previously, but that doens't explain why THE SAME PLAYERS GET WORSE OVER TIME. You are basically going to assume that they don't practice despite tournaments stil being active for most of 2016. Technique is worse in 2016 than he was in 2009 because he does not play enough hours per week to maintain his skill. game is red alert 3. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Technique is worse in 2016 than he was in 2009 because he does not play enough hours per week to maintain his skill. So the theory is that all of the good koreans played so little so they got worse (which is probably less than 2 hours per week/average). Meanwhile they still got paid to play in pro league and had to practice for GSL/SSL. And obviously that also assumes that you don't just got rusy but technique actually gets worse and you cannot recover that, which personally isn't my experience, but W/e. If you genuinly think that's the case, that just awesome. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On October 30 2016 07:49 Hider wrote: I already covered that previously and it doens't explain why THE SAME PLAYERS GET WORSE OVER TIME. You are basically going to assume that they don't practice despite tournaments stil being active for most of 2016. It's like some people cannot phantom that you you can improve at a slower rate without that rate being negative. This is exactly what I am talking about. How do you go to negative rate. How do you become worse mechanically while practising. How is Innovation worse today than he was in 2013. I literraly asked that 5 times and every time you ignored it and just moved on. All you can assume is that they don't practice, but then you are basing your whole belief on all of the good koreans not practicising despite them still having regular tournaments to play for. they are practicing but not as much as they are used too. You have to practice a lot just to maintain your skill-level. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18063 Posts
most of the GM guys i've known over the years claim they have to play at least 4 days per week for 1+ hours to stand a chance of maintaining their skill level and keep in their mind the intricacies of each ladder map. and every time a new map is rotated in they must spend time specifically on that map. so i don't know if 2 hours per week will maintain skill level and map knowledge. the big "time sinks" with new maps are "executing cheese" and "defending cheese" according to the GM guys i've talked to | ||
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