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klup
France612 Posts
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KtJ
United States3514 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:11 Fango wrote: TY vs Elazer was also very close series. Many back and forth games Really? thats awesome. Elazer doing work. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9341 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote: Overwatch is just a terrible viewing experience so I'll stay away from that. I will keep hoping for the failure of it as an esport while hoping it will sale 30M copies 1 year from the release. That was my prediction from a year ago, and it will boost my own ego if I am correct.  Anyway, I am still somewhat surprised when someone like Montecristo goes around saying that Overwatch will grow and it is already doing well for how young the game is. On the other hand, I think best-case scenario is that it maintains the status quo. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:16 klup wrote: Btw are we witnessing the last blizzcon with Korean dominance? I mean next year Korean Starcraft will be a shadow of itself. Maybe one or two korean will be the norm after this year. I hope SC2 competitive as a whole won't die too. I enjoy it so much Next year Korean sc2 will look like 2010-12 I think. I think the level of play will still be insanely high. It's just too bad that a big team league will probably be missing for the first time. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:13 Hider wrote: My theory consist of the following steps: 1. Everyone improves all the time. But some players/regions improve at a faster rate than others. 2. In regions that improves the fastest, you usually see "new talent" taking over as they improve faster than the old ones. However, that definitely imply the old guys don't improve. 3. the foreign scene had more "new players" than Korea. Whereas Korea = Only the old guys. I can't think of a single Korean that I consider a top 10 korean that wasn't a top 20 player 2 years ago. Look i already said that it's only about mechanical skill here (it seems to be when you read the tweets carefully). In reality there obviously is more to it, like new meta (builds), decision making, etc. So at the basis thorin basically says: If we take some very skilled players from two years ago and throw them in these day with the mechanical skill they had back then it is reasonable to assume that they would do well. (assuming they can learn the new meta) Do people split their marines better today than MKP did ? (basically) | ||
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Hider
Denmark9341 Posts
Yeh Elazer really outplayed him, but Ty made a sick comeback in a 45 minute game and then Ty showed to be a shitty cheeser in game 3 and stole the victory from Elazer. | ||
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Elentos
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klup
France612 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:19 Musicus wrote: Next year Korean sc2 will look like 2010-12 I think. I think the level of play will still be insanely high. It's just too bad that a big team league will probably be missing for the first time. GSL and SSL will still be there?? Did afreeca confirm that they are going with 2017 GSL? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9341 Posts
Look i already said that it's only about mechanical skill here Sure, never implied otherwise. Why would mechanical skills deteoriate if you keep practicing them? Do people split their marines better today than MKP did ? (basically) Yes by far. I am still amused at when people show that highlight-clip where MKP splits against slow banelings. Like that's anything impressive. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:19 Hider wrote: I will keep hoping for the failure of it as an esport while hoping it will sale 30M copies 1 year from the release. That was my prediction from a year ago, and it will boost my own ego if I am correct. Anyway, I am still somewhat surprised when someone like Montecristo goes around saying that Overwatch will grow and it is already doing well for how young the game is. On the other hand, I think best-case scenario is that it maintains the status quo. Overwatch simply has so many problems as an esport title. FPS games in general are hard to spectate and OW adds "teamfighting with abilites" to it (as the main game mechanic) Impossible to actually spectate in a meaningful, interesting way imo. The only possible way i can see is if they would show it with a small delay of maybe one minute and thus be able to show the actual important parts. (and even then it is messy) | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:20 klup wrote: GSL and SSL will still be there?? Did afreeca confirm that they are going with 2017 GSL? Afreeca confirmed yes. Nothing on SSL though. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16382 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:20 klup wrote: GSL and SSL will still be there?? Did afreeca confirm that they are going with 2017 GSL? Yes, GSL has been confirmed. No idea about SSL, but I'm sure that Blizzard will support Korea enough to give us enough GSL seasons if SSL is gone. KeSPA also said that they will be holding KeSPA cups for sc2 next year. And don't forget there is an IEM with sc2 in Korea in december. | ||
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Biscuittzz
155 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: I actually think that strengthens my suspicion  Aka having a better understanding of the game, builds, etc isn't included in his definition of "skill" No he doesn't say that it isn't a skill to be knowledgeable etc. What I think he means is that players seem better or win because of a greater understanding of the game, matchups, builds etc. rather than pure mechanical skill. He is right of course, I wouldn't agree with much of what he says but while the game may be more 'figured out' now, the skill has definitely gone down. A quick look at any VODs from 2013/2014 and this year will show that. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16382 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:22 The_Red_Viper wrote: FPS games in general are hard to spectate and OW adds "teamfighting with abilites" to it (as the main game mechanic) Impossible to actually spectate in a meaningful, interesting way imo Ultimate recharge is being nerfed by 25% | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On one hand I'd like to see Neeblet win through tomorrow. On the other I would laugh my ass off if in the year of the supposed "Foreign comeback" their blizzcon hopes rest on Showtime. Edit: And Elazer. Because fuck Nerchio | ||
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Biscuittzz
155 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote: Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16382 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:23 Biscuittzz wrote: I wouldn't agree with much of what he says but while the game may be more 'figured out' now, the skill has definitely gone down. A quick look at any VODs from 2013/2014 and this year will show that. if you are correct the decline will continue over the next 2 years and will become undeniable even by the games biggest fans. i think as you choke off more and more money the skill declines because you are drawing from a smaller and smaller talent pool as older players retire and are replaced by a less dedicated younger player base. the younger players' decreased dedication is a rational response to lower prize money. we're already seeing players voluntarily drop out of BlizzCon because they have better things to do. Make the prize pool at BlizzCon 500 million USD and no one quits... ever. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote: Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse... if anything their rate of improvement has slowed down while the rate of improvement for foreigners has sped up, they are still better than ever though. LotV is just a way harder game than HotS, so all the players make more mistakes, even Koreans. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15867 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote: Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. foreigners got maybe slightly better but koreans got a lot worse. | ||
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