• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:58
CET 04:58
KST 12:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA16
StarCraft 2
General
SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays 2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1842 users

[WCS Global Playoffs] Winners Matches! - Page 55

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 53 54 55 56 57 74 Next
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 19:48:04
October 29 2016 19:47 GMT
#1081
So you asked me if Hearthstone games are short enough to warrant BO7 group stages. Their schedule says their 3rd series should be about to finish now. But they're just now going into the last game of their 2nd series.

Yeah I think 7 might have been too much.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
October 29 2016 19:48 GMT
#1082
On October 30 2016 04:46 Ej_ wrote:
Wht does anyone care about anything Thorin says in 2016?

Why does anyone care about anything Thorin says?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17029 Posts
October 29 2016 19:48 GMT
#1083
On October 30 2016 04:44 ionONE wrote:
Musicus maybe try sim racing

i know a guy with a $2500 set up in his basement.
its very cool.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Lil_nooblet
Profile Joined March 2016
United States459 Posts
October 29 2016 19:48 GMT
#1084
On October 30 2016 04:43 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 04:40 Lil_nooblet wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
To make up for that series let's all sit and laugh at how dumb this comparison is from thorin



Not sure about the comparison since I don't know anything about guitars but the skill level in sc2 definitely isn't as high as it was a couple years ago.


Aaaaaaand you just took that right out of your ass.


The korean scene this year is much less competitive and cut throat than it was a couple years ago which I think has caused the overall skill level to be lower than it used to be.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2016 19:49 GMT
#1085
On October 30 2016 04:44 ionONE wrote:
Musicus maybe try sim racing


haha, not sure, but I would actually watch if it was on right now
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 29 2016 19:49 GMT
#1086
On October 30 2016 04:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 04:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
To make up for that series let's all sit and laugh at how dumb this comparison is from thorin

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446232631320581

I feel like he is only talking about mechanics?

No


I actually think that strengthens my suspicion
Aka having a better understanding of the game, builds, etc isn't included in his definition of "skill"

But saying pure mechanics = skill is kind of dumb. Knowing how to use that skill is in itself a skill

Yeah i agree with you, just how i interpreted these tweets
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
October 29 2016 19:49 GMT
#1087
On October 30 2016 04:47 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 04:45 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:42 Corwinus wrote:

I would want to call this high praise but I struggle to think of really good Korean Protoss players who aren't in this tournament.

Stork?

Isn't he like part time Olimoleague caster? Not even a real progamer.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 19:51:51
October 29 2016 19:50 GMT
#1088
On October 30 2016 04:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 04:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
To make up for that series let's all sit and laugh at how dumb this comparison is from thorin

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446232631320581

I feel like he is only talking about mechanics?

No

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446739944964096

I actually think that strengthens my suspicion
Aka having a better understanding of the game, builds, etc isn't included in his definition of "skill"


Yes Pele was definitely a better player than Messi.

Also these guys would win every table tennis world cup today. The chinese would stand no chance.



Srs though, what the f... is that technique. :O
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
October 29 2016 19:51 GMT
#1089
I don't suppose anyone actually calculated out the length of that final match?
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 29 2016 19:52 GMT
#1090
I really hope elazer trainer to be the next pope before this ... that was really underwhelming: came home, watched two terribly failed allins. I think he just conceded before the games even started... c'mon TY isn't such unbeatable god that reading TL would make you think. Really sad from that. I wouldn't blame elazer for losing, but he should have at least give it a proper try.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
October 29 2016 19:52 GMT
#1091
the skill in these games has gone up. back in the day progamers were barely able to control armies with ghosts and vikings and or collosi and ghost. now the games are faster, more expansions, more units to control and more spells. there is no doubt in my mind this game is harder to play than hots and wol and the skill as gone up to adjust to it
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 29 2016 19:54 GMT
#1092
On October 30 2016 04:50 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 04:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
To make up for that series let's all sit and laugh at how dumb this comparison is from thorin

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446232631320581

I feel like he is only talking about mechanics?

No

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446739944964096

I actually think that strengthens my suspicion
Aka having a better understanding of the game, builds, etc isn't included in his definition of "skill"


Yes Pele was definitely a better player than Messi.

Also these guys would win every table tennis world cup today. The chinese would stand no chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3okRVEEx3yc

Srs though, what the f... is that technique. :O

I like his tactical 3 sizes too long pants
Neosteel Enthusiast
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
October 29 2016 19:54 GMT
#1093
On October 30 2016 04:52 Wrathsc2 wrote:
the skill in these games has gone up. back in the day progamers were barely able to control armies with ghosts and vikings and or collosi and ghost. now the games are faster, more expansions, more units to control and more spells. there is no doubt in my mind this game is harder to play than hots and wol and the skill as gone up to adjust to it


People just say what they want to believe is true. The statement is completely without merit.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 19:57:25
October 29 2016 19:55 GMT
#1094
On October 30 2016 04:50 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 04:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2016 04:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
To make up for that series let's all sit and laugh at how dumb this comparison is from thorin

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446232631320581

I feel like he is only talking about mechanics?

No

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/792446739944964096

I actually think that strengthens my suspicion
Aka having a better understanding of the game, builds, etc isn't included in his definition of "skill"


Yes Pele was definitely a better player than Messi.

Also these guys would win every table tennis world cup today. The chinese would stand no chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3okRVEEx3yc

Srs though, what the f... is that technique. :O


It is funny that you call out stuff and do bad analogies yourself. When a scene becomes more competitive because more money, etc is involved then players become better as a result. Better coachig, etc.
Now try to take that and use it with (korean) starcraft.

Also i am just saying how i interprete his tweets and it makes some sense. Even though i think that decision making, etc is a skill as well obviously, but that doesn't seem to be included in his version of "skill"
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 19:56:10
October 29 2016 19:55 GMT
#1095
On October 30 2016 04:51 Rehio wrote:
I don't suppose anyone actually calculated out the length of that final match?

8 minutes 22 seconds total game time.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 20:02:44
October 29 2016 20:01 GMT
#1096
It is funny that you call out stuff and do bad analogies yourself. When a scene becomes more competitive because more money, etc is involved then players become better as a result. Better coachig, etc.
Now try to take that and use it with (korean) starcraft.


Yes when people practice more they become better. But the claim is not just that the improvement has slowed down. The claim is that the players have become worse.

So how do the same players become worse. Explain that to me. All I heard was "guitars" and "koreans aren't dominating anymore".
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 29 2016 20:01 GMT
#1097
Some OW showmatches (basically) with 50k viewers while sc2 gets like what? 30k?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 29 2016 20:03 GMT
#1098
On October 30 2016 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Some OW showmatches (basically) with 50k viewers while sc2 gets like what? 30k?

OW is newer, on at a slightly better time for NA and has about 200 times the playerbase it doesn't surprise me that much.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
October 29 2016 20:03 GMT
#1099
On October 30 2016 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Some OW showmatches (basically) with 50k viewers while sc2 gets like what? 30k?


20 Million sold copies, playable on consoles... 50k viewers is pretty low for what I expect for OW. But on the other hand, like heroes or Hearthstone, might be fun to play (not for me) but hard to enjoy as an esport.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 20:04:19
October 29 2016 20:03 GMT
#1100
On October 30 2016 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Some OW showmatches (basically) with 50k viewers while sc2 gets like what? 30k?

It's 5 months old.

It could have 150k viewers or 5k next year. We just don't know yet. All we know is it's popular in Korea and Blizzard is pumping money into it like they used to for sc2.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Prev 1 53 54 55 56 57 74 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 2m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 175
RuFF_SC2 146
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3700
Shuttle 1321
Leta 308
Noble 26
Icarus 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever217
NeuroSwarm173
League of Legends
JimRising 811
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor129
Other Games
summit1g18153
C9.Mang0219
ViBE116
trigger3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick810
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 74
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 103
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki251
• HerbMon 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4699
• Rush971
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 2m
Wardi Open
8h 2m
Monday Night Weeklies
13h 2m
OSC
19h 2m
Wardi Open
1d 8h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
OSC
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
OSC
4 days
LAN Event
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.