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On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. foreigners got maybe slightly better but koreans got a lot worse.
that's what i think is going on.
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On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse.
uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011.
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On October 30 2016 05:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:19 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
Overwatch is just a terrible viewing experience so I'll stay away from that. I will keep hoping for the failure of it as an esport while hoping it will sale 30M copies 1 year from the release. That was my prediction from a year ago, and it will boost my own ego if I am correct.  Anyway, I am still somewhat surprised when someone like Montecristo goes around saying that Overwatch will grow and it is already doing well for how young the game is. On the other hand, I think best-case scenario is that it maintains the status quo. Overwatch simply has so many problems as an esport title. FPS games in general are hard to spectate and OW adds "teamfighting with abilites" to it (as the main game mechanic) Impossible to actually spectate in a meaningful, interesting way imo. The only possible way i can see is if they would show it with a small delay of maybe one minute and thus be able to show the actual important parts. (and even then it is messy)
I also don't really think a better interface can ever be a proper solution. Because for an esport to be entertaining it must be very easy for the viewers to "follow" the story. E.g. imagine in CS:GO when you see a clutch situation.
You know what needs to happen for a team to win and you have a bit of time to speculate about whether Player X will hit his shots and when Player Y then manages to amazingly win a 1v2, everyone can appreciate it.
OW will never be like that. No matter what they do to the interface or balance or maps.
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On October 30 2016 05:21 Hider wrote:Sure, never implied otherwise. Why would mechanical skills deteoriate if you keep practicing them? Yes by far. I am still amused at when people show that highlight-clip where MKP splits against slow banelings. Like that's anything impressive.
Sometimes you need to practice something a decent amount just to stay at the same lvl. You seem to be very keen on the "amount of practice" only while i imo painted a more detailed picture (or i at least mentioned more factors)
Ok MKP was actually a bad example, do you believe Innovation splits his marines better this year than 1-2 years ago?
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On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011.
obviously, since he doesn't play anymore and his health detoriated...
If he was healthy and had kept playing he would be better than his 2011 self. Which does not mean he would be the best plaer right now, since it's possible that others would've had a faster rate of improvement.
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On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011.
i was a lot better at RA3 in 2009 (when there was prize money available) than i am now.
my health is 100% perfect.
the level of play in RA3 has declined right along with the available prize money.
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On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011.
He is a far better player than in 2011. Maybe if you said 2014 you had a point given that he likely has not practiced, but in 2011 the level was absolute garbage. When MMA showed you could attack 3 locations at once it was mind blowing and that was something Mvp copied.
Today every player in the top 2% of the ladder would be able to do that.
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On October 30 2016 05:31 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011. obviously, since he doesn't play anymore and his health detoriated... If he was healthy and had kept playing he would be better than his 2011 self. Which does not mean he would be the best plaer right now, since it's possible that others would've had a faster rate of improvement.
I just don't agree that koreans didn't get worse. I watch vods of TaeJa, INnoVation, Life or PartinG games in 2013-2015 and their play looks much more clean than that of current koreans except maybe Dark and TY who are still amazing.
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This is all the matches we get for today? I expected more... So they're going to squeeze round of 8, 4, and finals tomorrow?
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On October 30 2016 05:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:21 Hider wrote:Look i already said that it's only about mechanical skill here Sure, never implied otherwise. Why would mechanical skills deteoriate if you keep practicing them? Do people split their marines better today than MKP did ? (basically) Yes by far. I am still amused at when people show that highlight-clip where MKP splits against slow banelings. Like that's anything impressive. Sometimes you need to practice something a decent amount just to stay at the same lvl. You seem to be very keen on the "amount of practice" only while i imo painted a more detailed picture (or i at least mentioned more factors) Ok MKP was actually a bad example, do you believe Innovation splits his marines better this year than 1-2 years ago?
Honestly watching INnoVation's play it's fair to say his mechanics have declined overall. Not to the point he's bad, but it's definitely gotten worse.
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On October 30 2016 05:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:31 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011. obviously, since he doesn't play anymore and his health detoriated... If he was healthy and had kept playing he would be better than his 2011 self. Which does not mean he would be the best plaer right now, since it's possible that others would've had a faster rate of improvement. I just don't agree that koreans didn't get worse. I watch vods of TaeJa, INnoVation, Life or PartinG games in 2013-2015 and their play looks much more clean than that of current koreans except maybe Dark and TY who are still amazing.
That's because it is a different game. LotV is harder and faster which results in more mistakes.
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On October 30 2016 05:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:31 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011. obviously, since he doesn't play anymore and his health detoriated... If he was healthy and had kept playing he would be better than his 2011 self. Which does not mean he would be the best plaer right now, since it's possible that others would've had a faster rate of improvement. I just don't agree that koreans didn't get worse. I watch vods of TaeJa, INnoVation, Life or PartinG games in 2013-2015 and their play looks much more clean than that of current koreans except maybe Dark and TY who are still amazing.
The games were alot more passive. Today, you face more harass and multitasking. Obviously you are not gonna look clean.
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On October 30 2016 05:30 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 30 2016 05:19 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 05:08 Elentos wrote:
Overwatch is just a terrible viewing experience so I'll stay away from that. I will keep hoping for the failure of it as an esport while hoping it will sale 30M copies 1 year from the release. That was my prediction from a year ago, and it will boost my own ego if I am correct. Anyway, I am still somewhat surprised when someone like Montecristo goes around saying that Overwatch will grow and it is already doing well for how young the game is. On the other hand, I think best-case scenario is that it maintains the status quo. Overwatch simply has so many problems as an esport title. FPS games in general are hard to spectate and OW adds "teamfighting with abilites" to it (as the main game mechanic) Impossible to actually spectate in a meaningful, interesting way imo. The only possible way i can see is if they would show it with a small delay of maybe one minute and thus be able to show the actual important parts. (and even then it is messy) I also don't really think a better interface can ever be a proper solution. Because for an esport to be entertaining it must be very easy for the viewers to "follow" the story. E.g. imagine in CS:GO when you see a clutch situation. You know what needs to happen for a team to win and you have a bit of time to speculate about whether Player X will hit his shots and when Player Y then manages to amazingly win a 1v2, everyone can appreciate it. OW will never be like that. No matter what they do to the interface or balance or maps.
Yeah i agree with that. In general you could have that because teams get better and better at slowing down the pace before teamfights, etc. But these teamfights are just so messy, 6vs6, fps, ultimates with huge impact, etc.
So yeah as long as OW works like it does right now it's simply not an interesting experience, we agree on that i guess 
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On October 30 2016 05:34 geokilla wrote:
This is all the matches we get for today? I expected more... So they're going to squeeze round of 8, 4, and finals tomorrow?
Uhm
No. Those all happen next week at Blizzcon.
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Basically I agree with TLO.
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On October 30 2016 05:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:23 Biscuittzz wrote:
I wouldn't agree with much of what he says but while the game may be more 'figured out' now, the skill has definitely gone down. A quick look at any VODs from 2013/2014 and this year will show that. if you are correct the decline will continue over the next 2 years and will become undeniable even by the games biggest fans. i think as you choke off more and more money the skill declines because you are drawing from a smaller and smaller talent pool as older players retire and are replaced by a less dedicated younger player base. the younger players' decreased dedication is a rational response to lower prize money. we're already seeing players voluntarily drop out of BlizzCon because they have better things to do. Make the prize pool at BlizzCon 500 million USD and no one quits... ever.
Voluntarily drop out? Hydra did indeed drop out, but it was for his wedding! Hardly 'better things to be doing' as if it wasn't important.
Polt didn't do it voluntarily one bit. He was practically forced into the South Korean Military as part of his mandatory conscription obligation. From what has been explained on here and reddit about those who 'draft dodge', in South Korea people who try it are really hated and shamed. But I guess you think he had 'better things to do' as well.
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On October 30 2016 05:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:21 Hider wrote:Look i already said that it's only about mechanical skill here Sure, never implied otherwise. Why would mechanical skills deteoriate if you keep practicing them? Do people split their marines better today than MKP did ? (basically) Yes by far. I am still amused at when people show that highlight-clip where MKP splits against slow banelings. Like that's anything impressive. Sometimes you need to practice something a decent amount just to stay at the same lvl. You seem to be very keen on the "amount of practice" only while i imo painted a more detailed picture (or i at least mentioned more factors) Ok MKP was actually a bad example, do you believe Innovation splits his marines better this year than 1-2 years ago?
When do you practice something 5+ hours a day and - at best - just stay at your current level?
It makes zero sense that when you practice and get challenged on a daily basis that you won't improve. What is the basis for suggesting otherwise?
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On October 30 2016 05:34 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:33 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:31 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on: I feel sorry for Snute. He beat Rain and Classic in their primes after their GSl/SSL wins and didnt get half this hype. That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans: 0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS). 0-2 Jaedong 0-2 Rain 1-4 Trap YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time. But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011. obviously, since he doesn't play anymore and his health detoriated... If he was healthy and had kept playing he would be better than his 2011 self. Which does not mean he would be the best plaer right now, since it's possible that others would've had a faster rate of improvement. I just don't agree that koreans didn't get worse. I watch vods of TaeJa, INnoVation, Life or PartinG games in 2013-2015 and their play looks much more clean than that of current koreans except maybe Dark and TY who are still amazing. That's because it is a different game. LotV is harder and faster which results in more mistakes.
That's horrendous game design so on Blizz's part. It should be great because of it's merits and gameplay not because we find mistakes entertaining.
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did Muhammed Ali fight in Vietnam?
too much money to be made fighting in Toronto and Germany to bother with something as silly as a military draft.
put $500 million up for grabs and players will find a way to play.
put $0 up for grabs and you won't draw flies.
as the over all annual prize pool in SC2 continues to decline it will become harder and harder ot retain players. and younger players won't be as dedicated. and those less dedicated players are making a smart decision.
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On October 30 2016 05:39 Biscuittzz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 05:34 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:33 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:31 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:29 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 05:28 Musicus wrote:On October 30 2016 05:25 Biscuittzz wrote:On October 30 2016 04:46 Hider wrote:On October 30 2016 04:42 Charoisaur wrote:On October 30 2016 04:39 Hider wrote:
Also, let's take a moment to digest this Stuchio tweet that Thorin is basing his whole world view on:
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That result came right after he had the following results vs koreans:
0-3 loss to Innovation (completely outclassed - you can just watch the VODS).
0-2 Jaedong
0-2 Rain
1-4 Trap
YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!!
Those were clearly just outliers. There was no reason to belive Snute was actually a top 5-10 player at that time.
But generally speaking, foreigners are playing much closer up against koreans today than they were 1½+ years ago. also he got crushed 3:0 by TY right after his wins over classic and Rain. Yes hence my point: Stuchio's tweet is deceiving because Snute's results back then were clearly just upsets and were never bound to be repeated on a somewhat regularly fashion. On the other hand, if you look at most of the results (or watch the games) from 2016 when top 20 koreans have met top 10 foreigners, you will not see a significant difference in the skill level. Koreans are still a tad ahead, but it has definitely narrowed alot. Is that due to foreigners gettkng better or Koreans getting worse? I'm for the latter. Players don't just become worse. uh... I don't think Mvp is still at the same skill level as he was in 2011. obviously, since he doesn't play anymore and his health detoriated... If he was healthy and had kept playing he would be better than his 2011 self. Which does not mean he would be the best plaer right now, since it's possible that others would've had a faster rate of improvement. I just don't agree that koreans didn't get worse. I watch vods of TaeJa, INnoVation, Life or PartinG games in 2013-2015 and their play looks much more clean than that of current koreans except maybe Dark and TY who are still amazing. That's because it is a different game. LotV is harder and faster which results in more mistakes. That's horrendous game design so on Blizz's part. It should be great because of it's merits and gameplay not because we find mistakes entertaining.
Well it will become more clean (but never as static as HotS was), and when a game as difficult as LotV gets more and more mastered over the years, I think the gameplay will look mroe amazing than ever in a few years.
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