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On August 26 2016 22:02 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this. a bit like that, not exactly that people are really exaggerating this
I meant the game analysis and comment that people seem like they do not watch game at all actually.
Please watch the game, try to understand strategies and moves of progamers and make comments about the game instead of whinning.
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Honestly guys, leave Protoss alone, they are already in a tough spot.
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ok so that's colossi. I'm quite happy.
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On August 26 2016 22:06 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly guys, leave Protoss alone, they are already in a tough spot.
Didn't you read Penev? The party line is that it isn't happening, not that we deserve it.
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On August 26 2016 22:04 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:01 las91 wrote:
if wolf were here he'd talk about how big 4 player maps are cancerous to the meta
good thing artosis has us covered here didn't Artosis agree with Idra on the hate for 4-player map randomness sometime in 2011? Or maybe that was another caster, it's been a long time
4 player maps do feel a little more stupid in LotV because builds kick in faster, so you can get really unlucky. For example, on Frost even with a pylon scout if you find a zerg last and he's going for a 12 pool you barely have any time to react which kinda sucks, in WoL/HotS the game was a little slower.
Then again we're talking about Idra in 2011 so...
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i personally like the 3 base gw upgrade/colossi style way more than mass gateways now but maybe it's just me
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On August 26 2016 22:06 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:01 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me. Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait. And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea). I don't think the heart of the complaining is about the existence of powerful harassment tools for Protoss, but rather the perceived degree of ease with which their race handles many things: macro, early-game defense(especially), and late-game army control. Seeing, in a TvP, how Protoss presses F and clicks on 2 Pylons in their mineral line to destroy a Marines-Widow Mine drop, while an SCV line gets slaughtered by oracles if it is left with no units in position, is understandably infuriating, imo
I think u just phrased this perfectly. Thanks dude
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On August 26 2016 22:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ok so that's colossi. I'm quite happy.
when did the switch back to Colossus happen? I though liberators with range just straight-up win against colossus armys
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On August 26 2016 22:08 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ok so that's colossi. I'm quite happy. when did the switch back to Colossus happen? I though liberators with range just straight-up win against colossus armys
collossi still kill bio
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On August 26 2016 22:06 Ej_ wrote:
Honestly guys, leave Protoss alone, they are already in a tough spot.
I like to balance whine like every other terran but yeah, big changes are coming so we should just wait it out and see
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If Dear hits the timing Adepts will 2 shot marines
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On August 26 2016 22:08 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ok so that's colossi. I'm quite happy. when did the switch back to Colossus happen? I though liberators with range just straight-up win against colossus armys
hmmmm people have been toying with colossi in pvt since lotv began. Against libs with range you just transition.
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TY's scv scouting has been really nice this game
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On August 26 2016 22:05 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:04 Penev wrote:On August 26 2016 22:03 Nebuchad wrote:On August 26 2016 22:02 Penev wrote:On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this. a bit like that, not exactly that people are really exaggerating this We really aren't though. yes you are I'm convinced, thanks for enlightening me.
thanks, I was countering your equally convincing reply
but you really are, if you have a problem with someones post you reply taht post specifically. These general the whole community is against us is getting rather pathetic, target a post or stop WHINING yourself
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On August 26 2016 22:08 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ok so that's colossi. I'm quite happy. when did the switch back to Colossus happen? I though liberators with range just straight-up win against colossus armys
i feel like that liberator build/style is just not used as early in the game as much
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On August 26 2016 22:06 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:01 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me. Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait. And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea). I don't think the heart of the complaining is about the existence of powerful harassment tools for Protoss, but rather the perceived degree of ease with which their race handles many things: macro, early-game defense(especially), and late-game army control. Seeing, in a TvP, how Protoss presses F and clicks on 2 Pylons in their mineral line to destroy a Marines-Widow Mine drop, while an SCV line gets slaughtered by oracles if it is left with no units in position, is understandably infuriating, imo
Yea we hold those 1 base T allins with ease...
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omg dat prison. why dear why
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