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On August 26 2016 21:59 travis wrote:
LOL TY noped out
He was dead. 3rd CC gone, smaller army, his drop got killed by overcharge.
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ok TY you can do it but you need to center yourself
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Poll: Recommend Dear vs TY Game 4?★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1) 5% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 5% ★★★ - Good game (5) 26% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8) 42% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4) 21% 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dear vs TY Game 4? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
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On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race.
Exactly this.
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hey 100% forgot it was bo5 not 7. Makes that Frost game really tense.
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it would be better to have cross spawns tho
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On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me.
Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait.
And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea).
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if wolf were here he'd talk about how big 4 player maps are cancerous to the meta
good thing artosis has us covered here
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On August 26 2016 22:01 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me. Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait. And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea).
P always got a lot more hate, even when they were clearly lagging behind in terms of winrates.
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On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this.
a bit like that, not exactly that
people are really exaggerating this
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On August 26 2016 22:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:01 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me. Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait. And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea). P always got a lot more hate, even when they were clearly lagging behind in terms of winrates.
Yes that's exactly what i'm complaining about because in LotV it's worse than it's ever been.
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On August 26 2016 22:02 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this. a bit like that, not exactly that people are really exaggerating this
We really aren't though.
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On August 26 2016 22:01 las91 wrote:
if wolf were here he'd talk about how big 4 player maps are cancerous to the meta
good thing artosis has us covered here
didn't Artosis agree with Idra on the hate for 4-player map randomness sometime in 2011? Or maybe that was another caster, it's been a long time
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On August 26 2016 22:03 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:02 Penev wrote:On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this. a bit like that, not exactly that people are really exaggerating this We really aren't though.
yes you are
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This attack by TY looked even worse than my games 
p.s: good hold at the main though
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On August 26 2016 22:04 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:03 Nebuchad wrote:On August 26 2016 22:02 Penev wrote:On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this. a bit like that, not exactly that people are really exaggerating this We really aren't though. yes you are
I'm convinced, thanks for enlightening me.
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On August 26 2016 22:04 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 22:03 Nebuchad wrote:On August 26 2016 22:02 Penev wrote:On August 26 2016 21:59 egrimm wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Exactly this. a bit like that, not exactly that people are really exaggerating this We really aren't though. yes you are
it's been true since before you even joined the site, no we aren't.
cute movez by dear
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On August 26 2016 22:01 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me. Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait. And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea).
Well i already admitted that libs are equally dumb as some of the toss things and 8 armor Ultras are quite dumb as well imo. I dont think those wrongs make other wrongs right, they should all be fixed instead. And ye protoss got quite the history in sc2 making them stand out as a "special" race :D
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On August 26 2016 22:01 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 21:58 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:53 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:46 Eiltonn wrote:On August 26 2016 21:42 Teoita wrote:On August 26 2016 21:37 Socke wrote:
whats up with all the dearhate? his build got scouted and failed, his followup was really smart for that kind of situation and almost worked. Protoss in LotV doesn't deserve credit because we win with adepts instead of blink stalkers and colossi. That's like, completely different and abusive and bullshit and broken. Also the SC2 community isn't particularly reasonable at times. what argument is this? protoss has had bullshit things ever since this game started so now its fine when they keep on doing bs stuff? Of course Protoss has more bullshit things than other races (shit i personally wrote The Great Book...), but the community can't tell the difference between a good read and an abusive game so all they are left with is flaming one third of the players. Take the Dusk Towers game. Dear's read was "ok my all-in has done enough damage for me to transition, but not enough to end the game. He's forced into a very defensive position and a late stim, but he has 3CCs so he'll probably gear up for a push once his army stabilizes in a few minutes, before that i don't have much to fear. I can't catch up in both economy and upgrades, and if i invest in upgrades my economy is too shit to produce enough units, but i can definitely double expand safely, my main is mining out anyway so i need that 4th. I'll just skip forges, get a massive low tech army and crush him when he moves out to try to kill my 3rd or take his 4th", which is actually a pretty good read. The thread's comments were "lol adept allin into double expand lol protoss bullshit lol". It's incredlby toxic, especially having to mod the forum and seeing balance whining essentially only thrown at one race. Well Toss players get to complain when Terran BS in form of Libs rolls out (another retarded unit that seems to be a band-aid fix). And i feel like often times Protoss gets to be aggressive with prism adepts while safely expanding behind thanks to the mothership core. This just seems to be against the basic concept that u need units to defend an expansion (or two). Like the terran definitely cannot leave their base as long as the prism is around so theyre bound to some reactive style while protoss can do whatever they want for the first 10 minutes. This is obviously exaggerated but the core of it somehow seems true to me. Sure on the other hand terrans never expand behind medivacs or liberator harassment and zergs never expand behind muta harassment. Oh wait. And at least regarding TL moderation, the whining about Zerg and Terran put together doesn't come remotely close to what Protoss get, despite the fact that Ultras consistently kill Terrans once they are out and that ZvT was actually very Terran favoured until recently (and could still be in Korea).
I don't think the heart of the complaining is about the existence of powerful harassment tools for Protoss, but rather the perceived degree of ease with which their race handles many things: macro, early-game defense(especially), and late-game army control. Seeing, in a TvP, how Protoss presses F and clicks on 2 Pylons in their mineral line to destroy a Marines-Widow Mine drop, while an SCV line gets slaughtered by oracles if it is left with no units in position, is understandably infuriating, imo
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