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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#281
On July 30 2016 12:03 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

you mean drone scout? no-one does it, it's pretty bad

clearly it is
who would want to scout cheeses l m a o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#282
BASED LILLEKANNIN HAHA
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#283
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago
Biscuittzz
Profile Joined July 2016
155 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#284
On July 30 2016 11:55 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 11:52 Biscuittzz wrote:
On July 30 2016 11:08 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 11:00 Biscuittzz wrote:
One thing that really annoys with these smaller tournaments is how they, just like Lycan said to Neeb there, always say that hopefully players can make a deep run or go far.

With the format of these small 16-player tournaments, for the better players the first round is a non-contest usually, so the quarter-final will be their first game. Win that and they're into a Semi. Deep run completed with easy money in the bag.

Polt sleep-walked into the semis of DH Tours with really bad ( relative to his usual) play yet pocketed a cool 10K. Competition too easy or is there a need for a lower bracket?


Polt had one of the easiest brackets tbh. Same with Violet. The biggest issue is the foreign scene isn't quite deep enough to make really really hyped 32 man brackets. However, I think it's slowly changing as more NA players get into the spotlight and a couple sea players seem to be getting better too so there are less easy slots like Iaguz often is or PilliPilli or Bails. The first has a horrible mentality self admitted and PilliPilli and Bails are still coming into their own, but have had their moments in online events


That's my point exactly, that Polt made a 'deep run' due to an incredibly easy bracket even while playing badly. I would of thought that WCS foreigner biased tournaments would offer a losers bracket to give players more games and so chances for better play etc. Was there ever any reason given as to why no tournaments this year have had double elimination formats?

Cost reasons most likely?


I'd say time is a bigger reason. We already do three days 12 hours long. We couldn't do even more games


I'd rather have a double elimination than have every game broadcast. Think it would support the players better i.e. more high level games in an offline atmosphere.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#285
lillekanin master strategist
Neosteel Enthusiast
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#286
On July 30 2016 12:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:03 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 30 2016 11:59 Aocowns wrote:
On July 30 2016 11:57 blade55555 wrote:
Holy hell... This map is so good for reapers.

well, considering half the map pool looks good for reapers it might just be the reaper opening kek

uthermal is pretty much the only terran who still goes for reapers regularly


ByuN?

byun only does it on frozen temple
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
July 30 2016 03:05 GMT
#287
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier


jesus

yea really just barbaric, savage stuff out there. not even drone scouting in ZvT lol
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
July 30 2016 03:06 GMT
#288
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

Well now Reapers have grenades so they can kite Roaches forever.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 30 2016 03:06 GMT
#289
On July 30 2016 12:05 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago

? No, he went speedlings first. There is absolutely no point in getting speedlings early against terran. Just get 5roaches and voila you got the map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 30 2016 03:07 GMT
#290
On July 30 2016 12:06 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:05 Alchemik wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago

? No, he went speedlings first. There is absolutely no point in getting speedlings early against terran. Just get 5roaches and voila you got the map

should tell nerchio, he'd love getting a couple free wins
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
July 30 2016 03:08 GMT
#291
On July 30 2016 12:06 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:05 Alchemik wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago

? No, he went speedlings first. There is absolutely no point in getting speedlings early against terran. Just get 5roaches and voila you got the map

yeah, he went speedling first, because that's what you do, because that's the best thing to do. he made the mistake of not seeing the second reaper with his overlord (I assume he didn't see it, at least) so his roach warren was late, but you don't blindly open with roaches
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 30 2016 03:09 GMT
#292
'he just kind of headbutts with units, and yeah, ultra is a good unit for that'
Neosteel Enthusiast
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
July 30 2016 03:09 GMT
#293
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.


Early roaches just get kited and mine shotted to death with Uthermal's control. Same with lings. You saw what Elazer did. What could he have done better to deal with the reapers? They always got away without dying while dealing high damage to the zerg's units. With ravagers he can outrange reapers and punish all the kiting uthermal does because he's actually getting shots off too
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 30 2016 03:09 GMT
#294
On July 30 2016 12:05 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:03 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 30 2016 11:59 Aocowns wrote:
On July 30 2016 11:57 blade55555 wrote:
Holy hell... This map is so good for reapers.

well, considering half the map pool looks good for reapers it might just be the reaper opening kek

uthermal is pretty much the only terran who still goes for reapers regularly


ByuN?

byun only does it on frozen temple


A few other players like beastyqt and kelazhur go reapers on Galactic Process too.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 30 2016 03:09 GMT
#295
On July 30 2016 12:08 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:06 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:05 Alchemik wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago

? No, he went speedlings first. There is absolutely no point in getting speedlings early against terran. Just get 5roaches and voila you got the map

yeah, he went speedling first, because that's what you do, because that's the best thing to do. he made the mistake of not seeing the second reaper with his overlord (I assume he didn't see it, at least) so his roach warren was late, but you don't blindly open with roaches

How is it better ? Getting 4roaches cost as much if not less than 20zerglings and is bulletproof against anything the terran can throw at you that early.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 30 2016 03:10 GMT
#296
On July 30 2016 12:08 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:06 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:05 Alchemik wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago

? No, he went speedlings first. There is absolutely no point in getting speedlings early against terran. Just get 5roaches and voila you got the map

yeah, he went speedling first, because that's what you do, because that's the best thing to do. he made the mistake of not seeing the second reaper with his overlord (I assume he didn't see it, at least) so his roach warren was late, but you don't blindly open with roaches


Against uThermal on Frozen Temple or Galactic Process you probably should tbh.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 30 2016 03:10 GMT
#297
On July 30 2016 12:09 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.


Early roaches just get kited and mine shotted to death with Uthermal's control. Same with lings. You saw what Elazer did. What could he have done better to deal with the reapers? They always got away without dying while dealing high damage to the zerg's units. With ravagers he can outrange reapers and punish all the kiting uthermal does because he's actually getting shots off too

Ohhh thats why you get spines. I heard theyre pretty good against any kind of early agression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
July 30 2016 03:11 GMT
#298
"do you think nerchio is the one that stands in your way the most"

well, considering he's his next opponent and won the last one...
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 30 2016 03:11 GMT
#299
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

User was warned for this post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
July 30 2016 03:13 GMT
#300
On July 30 2016 12:11 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
"do you think nerchio is the one that stands in your way the most"

well, considering he's his next opponent and won the last one...

nerchio still has to play vs violet
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