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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-30 03:15:44
July 30 2016 03:13 GMT
#301
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
July 30 2016 03:13 GMT
#302
On July 30 2016 12:09 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:08 Alchemik wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:06 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:05 Alchemik wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.

...that's what Elazer did this game, and what Snute tried literally two days ago

? No, he went speedlings first. There is absolutely no point in getting speedlings early against terran. Just get 5roaches and voila you got the map

yeah, he went speedling first, because that's what you do, because that's the best thing to do. he made the mistake of not seeing the second reaper with his overlord (I assume he didn't see it, at least) so his roach warren was late, but you don't blindly open with roaches

How is it better ? Getting 4roaches cost as much if not less than 20zerglings and is bulletproof against anything the terran can throw at you that early.

4 roaches do nothing against reapers, you need to make much, much more and yeah, if you're against 3 rax reaper, that's what you're supposed to do - go roaches

but you'd have to either do that blindly every game or drone scout, both being very bad ideas
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
July 30 2016 03:14 GMT
#303
On July 30 2016 12:10 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:09 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:04 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:02 Parrek wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:01 Erasme wrote:
lmao
the level of play is so low
why didnt the zerg scout with a drone earlier

What would he see? One reaper coming out which says nothing. I think he should have gone for faster ravagers, though. They outeange reapers so it means you can actually land kills


you dont need ravagers against reapers
just early roaches
but noone does that cuz its not meta enough
or a spine
but it seems people forgot how to build that between 2012 and now.


Early roaches just get kited and mine shotted to death with Uthermal's control. Same with lings. You saw what Elazer did. What could he have done better to deal with the reapers? They always got away without dying while dealing high damage to the zerg's units. With ravagers he can outrange reapers and punish all the kiting uthermal does because he's actually getting shots off too

Ohhh thats why you get spines. I heard theyre pretty good against any kind of early agression.

Ha, spines suck vs reapers because you can drop 10 mines on them and shoot it a few times and it's dead. They don't really apply early on because there's too much space to dodge them and micro without losing a reaper. Elazer was holding fine before the reapers hit critical number. That's the real danger of reaper cheeses now. Reapers stay relevant for quite a long time with mines keeping them alive.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
July 30 2016 03:14 GMT
#304
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

ah this is why the game is dead thanks for enlightening me
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
July 30 2016 03:14 GMT
#305
Hydra getting stomped again. How did he lose his Korean powers after only 1 year? At least it took Polt 3 years to lose his
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 30 2016 03:15 GMT
#306
On July 30 2016 12:11 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
"do you think nerchio is the one that stands in your way the most"

well, considering he's his next opponent and won the last one...


He hasn't advanced yet.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 30 2016 03:16 GMT
#307
'lots of dutch lans going on'

ehhh
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-30 03:18:17
July 30 2016 03:16 GMT
#308
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

saying "early reaper/hellion attack" sounds like you want to get a spine and roaches against HotS-like hellion pressure and yeah, if everyone were to do that, I could see how the game would be dead with no Zerg players

On July 30 2016 12:16 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
'lots of dutch lans going on'

ehhh

well I mean probably higher than average
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-30 03:20:13
July 30 2016 03:18 GMT
#309
On July 30 2016 12:13 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.

I'm probably the most annoyed here. WoL had a lot of potential and when i come back i see zergs not drone scouting, not placing overlords properly and not using the one unit that is good against the early terran harass.
Let me explain it simply to you. Your spine should start as soon as your expo is down, no matter what. Then you make queens and a couple of roaches. You go to the terrans base and see w/e is there. Then you react.
You guys are probably right tho, it's better to lose three times in a row to early pressure than to scout and blindly make a spine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
July 30 2016 03:19 GMT
#310
On July 30 2016 12:18 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:13 Solar424 wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.

I'm probably the most annoyed here. WoL had a lot of potential and when i come back i see zergs not drone scouting, not placing overlords properly and not using the one unit that is good against the early terran harass.
Let me explain it simply to you. Your spine should start as soon as your expo is down, no matter what. Then you make queens and a couple of roaches. You go to the terrans base and see w/e is there. Then you react.

you've got your order mixed up, mate
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 30 2016 03:26 GMT
#311
On July 30 2016 12:18 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:13 Solar424 wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.

I'm probably the most annoyed here. WoL had a lot of potential and when i come back i see zergs not drone scouting, not placing overlords properly and not using the one unit that is good against the early terran harass.
Let me explain it simply to you. Your spine should start as soon as your expo is down, no matter what. Then you make queens and a couple of roaches. You go to the terrans base and see w/e is there. Then you react.
You guys are probably right tho, it's better to lose three times in a row to early pressure than to scout and blindly make a spine


Sounds like you should be the one competing in WCS!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
July 30 2016 03:26 GMT
#312
its 40/40 violet
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
July 30 2016 03:27 GMT
#313
On July 30 2016 12:18 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:13 Solar424 wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.

I'm probably the most annoyed here. WoL had a lot of potential and when i come back i see zergs not drone scouting, not placing overlords properly and not using the one unit that is good against the early terran harass.
Let me explain it simply to you. Your spine should start as soon as your expo is down, no matter what. Then you make queens and a couple of roaches. You go to the terrans base and see w/e is there. Then you react.
You guys are probably right tho, it's better to lose three times in a row to early pressure than to scout and blindly make a spine

If you just came back, the game is very different now. Spines aren't very good vs reapers because of strong grenades and regenerating reapers. Roaches are the first step because of tankiness, but imo either a good ling surround or ravagers are needed to hold off reapers vs a terran with as fantastic reaper control as Uthermal.
I agree that a drone scout wouldn't have been a bad idea if Elazer had watched Uthermal's series vs Snute, however, on a game by game basis, drone scouting is bad. It was more a mistake on Elazer's part to not be thinking of this as a series following a very similar patter to Snute vs Uthermal.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 30 2016 03:27 GMT
#314
On July 30 2016 12:26 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:18 Erasme wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:13 Solar424 wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.

I'm probably the most annoyed here. WoL had a lot of potential and when i come back i see zergs not drone scouting, not placing overlords properly and not using the one unit that is good against the early terran harass.
Let me explain it simply to you. Your spine should start as soon as your expo is down, no matter what. Then you make queens and a couple of roaches. You go to the terrans base and see w/e is there. Then you react.
You guys are probably right tho, it's better to lose three times in a row to early pressure than to scout and blindly make a spine


Sounds like you should be the one competing in WCS!

or in platinum
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 30 2016 03:29 GMT
#315
Stephano would have won this tournament :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-30 03:29:51
July 30 2016 03:29 GMT
#316
On July 30 2016 12:18 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:13 Solar424 wrote:
On July 30 2016 12:11 Erasme wrote:
thats why this game is dead, you guys are following blindly any pro build without any kind of reasonning. Early reaper/hellion attack ? GET A SPINE AND ROACHES

idk why you started posting in SC2 threads after 4 years just to start shitposting, but it's kinda annoying.

I'm probably the most annoyed here. WoL had a lot of potential and when i come back i see zergs not drone scouting, not placing overlords properly and not using the one unit that is good against the early terran harass.
Let me explain it simply to you. Your spine should start as soon as your expo is down, no matter what. Then you make queens and a couple of roaches. You go to the terrans base and see w/e is there. Then you react.
You guys are probably right tho, it's better to lose three times in a row to early pressure than to scout and blindly make a spine


You just assume the game plays the same as WoL then try to act like some pompous shit knowing the match up in and out, just talking out of your ass. Thanks for the extra entertainment tonight
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 30 2016 03:29 GMT
#317
Hmm somehow I didn't realise Violet did so well WCS rankings
Neosteel Enthusiast
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-30 03:30:45
July 30 2016 03:30 GMT
#318
On July 30 2016 12:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Hmm somehow I didn't realise Violet did so well WCS rankings

yeah i had no idea either, its weird

edit: or well i knew i just dont get it
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-30 03:33:39
July 30 2016 03:32 GMT
#319
On July 30 2016 12:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Hmm somehow I didn't realise Violet did so well WCS rankings


Lots of bracket luck, and the fact that there really isn't a consistent 7th or 8th player in WCS.
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
July 30 2016 03:32 GMT
#320
On July 30 2016 12:30 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2016 12:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Hmm somehow I didn't realise Violet did so well WCS rankings

yeah i had no idea either, its weird

edit: or well i knew i just dont get it

Yeah, we gotta remember he actually performed well at Katowice, Leipzig, and Tours, though the third was really easy bracket and he's been irrelevant since then
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